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More Info On Verizon's January 18 Wireless Plan Changes
Data plans aren't the only thing getting a facelift...
by Karl Bode 05:02PM Thursday Jan 14 2010
Yesterday Broadband Reports obtained documents showing that Verizon Wireless is making a number of pricing and plan changes starting January 18. Among them, Verizon is requiring that all phones have a data plan -- and is replacing their $19.99, 75MB cap wireless data plan with an unlimited $30 data plan. Boy Genius Report has gotten a hold of some additional documents that confirm the changes, as well as a Verizon employee training package that goes into some of the voice pricing plan changes in more detail:
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It looks like Big Red (not the gum) is ditching the all-inclusive Premium plan and renaming the current Basic plan to Nationwide Talk, and the Select Plan to Nationwide Talk & Text. A 30% drop in pricing on the unlimited minutes options for each of these plans is expected to accompany the name changes. . .It looks like Verizon’s new unlimited voice plans will run $69.99/month individually, with an $89.99/month option that will include unlimited text messages as well. As far as family plans go, Verizon seems to be coming in at $119.99/month for the first two lines, and $49.99/line a month after that with unlimited text and data options as well.
As we noted yesterday, Verizon's reclassifying all phones into three categories ("simple feature," "3G Multimedia," and "3G smartphone") and is restructuring which data plans users with those phones can select.

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McSummation
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"Voice only"?

What if you have an older "voice only" phone? Do you get screwed out of $30/month?

FFH5
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Re: "Voice only"?

said by McSummation:

What if you have an older "voice only" phone? Do you get screwed out of $30/month?
NO. Did you read the news item? »www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/ ··· g-plans/
BB_Hunter

join:2008-05-16

Re: "Voice only"?

said by FFH5:

said by McSummation:

What if you have an older "voice only" phone? Do you get screwed out of $30/month?
NO. Did you read the news item? »www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/ ··· g-plans/
He probably just wanted to be reassured. I can't believe the amount of people that post stupid things in these news feeds without reading the article first.

MSauk
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Re: "Voice only"?

Sprints service is very well priced. I am seriously considering moving to them after our contract is up.
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MxxCon

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Re: "Voice only"?

if you previously thought Sprint's plans were good, check out what you can get with »ups.sprnext.com/
and you can slip $50 your ups driver so he would help you sign up w/ these plans
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FFH5
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Re: "Voice only"?

said by MxxCon:

if you previously thought Sprint's plans were good, check out what you can get with »ups.sprnext.com/
and you can slip $50 your ups driver so he would help you sign up w/ these plans
Not bad. The 450 min simply data plan is $17.50/mo cheaper than what I pay.
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jhacker

join:2001-12-11
Peoria, IL
said by MSauk:

Sprints service is very well priced. I am seriously considering moving to them after our contract is up.
Me too!! Our contracts are up in August. I have some reservations about switching to Sprint for coverage, but the price is right.

pnh102
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said by BB_Hunter:

said by FFH5:

said by McSummation:

What if you have an older "voice only" phone? Do you get screwed out of $30/month?
NO. Did you read the news item? »www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/ ··· g-plans/
He probably just wanted to be reassured. I can't believe the amount of people that post stupid things in these news feeds without reading the article first.
The article summary says:
quote:
Among them, Verizon is requiring that all phones have a data plan --
How is it wrong to conclude that the poster would think he or she would need a data plan.
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meh37II

@verizon.net

Re: "Voice only"?

The "Simple Feature" category has the Pay As You Go data plan, which costs nothing (outside of the $1.99 "phantom" fee ) if you don't use it. (Personally, I'd rather have my old StarTAC with Alltel... but those days are gone... bummer.)

meh37II

@verizon.net
It looks like you get screwed out of only $1.99/mo if all you want is voice. (You know... that $1.99 "mystery" fee, as in, it's a mystery how they can charge a data fee for a phone that doesn't support data.)
openbox9
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Re: "Voice only"?

Except that all I have is voice with VZW and I've never seen the $1.99 fee.

meh37II

@verizon.net

Re: "Voice only"?

Well, I didn't mean to imply that everyone was being screwed by Verizon... just the "lucky few": »Verizon Customers Still Struggling With Phantom $1.99 Fee

MuDvAyNe
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Really?

Verizon is really trying to screw over millions of their customers. It looks like the days of 9.99 for an extra line are coming to an end. Also charging everyone 30 dollars for the internet is insane. There are still many people who do not use or need the internet on their phone. In the end Verizon is going to shoot themselves in the foot with these new changes.
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Re: Really?

said by MuDvAyNe:

Verizon is really trying to screw over millions of their customers. It looks like the days of 9.99 for an extra line are coming to an end. Also charging everyone 30 dollars for the internet is insane. There are still many people who do not use or need the internet on their phone. In the end Verizon is going to shoot themselves in the foot with these new changes.
You should probably review the link before saying this. I had the same concern too. But if you get the 700 or 1400 minute plans, $9.99 for each line.

If you get simple phones, no data plan is required. I'm just curious to know, now what constitutes a simple phone. Would my current v9m be considered simple? 3G? It isn't smart by any means.

Droid Lover

@pacbell.net

Re: Really?

yes - the types of phones are are already out there

Droid Lover

@pacbell.net
$9 option is still available. But unlimited for $69.99 how can you beat that?

Camelot One
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Re: Really?

said by Droid Lover :

$9 option is still available. But unlimited for $69.99 how can you beat that?
By going with the other competitors $50 unlimited?
I'm looking at the numbers, and everything points to long term contracts now not only sucking for ETF and customer service, now the price advantage is gone. It's actually cheaper to go prepaid!
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Chrisgg

@att.net

Re: Really?

Bingo I am thinking prepaid through pageplus (which is verizon network) and cheaper! Use to be that prepaid was only for losers who had bad credit and they charged a premium ... no longer the case. Only bad thing with pageplus is you should own your equiptment since they are not going to sell you the latest technology.

The only reason I can see to stay with VZW is the the kids/adults who want the latest toy and are unconcerned with cost (like i-phone users with ATT). Also sprint now looks very attractive. Here in Orlando coverage is identical for both those carriers.
tomz17

join:2004-01-09
Newark, NJ

What has changed!?

I still fail to see what is changing on January 18th...

the $30 smartphone unlimited data addon has been available for some time, and has ALREADY been required on smart phones. (you can't add a smartphone ESN without the system automatically adding this package to your account)

The only real changes I see is that they are dropping the $19.99 75mb plan, and now requiring a data plan on middle-of-the line "multimedia" phones.

Christopher6

@rcn.com

Still Confusing.

I know I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for the day when we can just pay a single flat amount that which includes all taxes and service fees. It's kind of silly and just plain confusing to have all these absurd plans and charges for phone calls, text messages, data, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Everything should be data, unlimited everything. Make the entire world VOIP. Even international calls should be included. Legacy support is slowing progress.

Remember when AOL and Prodigy charged 25 cents to send an email? That's exactly what cell phone companies are like, 15 years after all that nonsense.
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Re: Still Confusing.

Not sure about international calling (ever looked at rates to Cuba? Or calling to international free-incoming cells for that matter) but you can get unlimited everything via Boost Mobile (Sprint CDMA or iDEN networks) for $50 per month, taxes and fees included. Straight Talk has it on Verizon's network for $45 + sales tax. MetroPCS has plans starting at $40, depending on what features you want to be unlimited.

Oh, you wanted a selection of any phone you want, at a heavy subsidy, on Verizon's network, with off-network roaming? Sorry, you can't have it all, at least not yet.
hottboiinnc
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Give TM the chance to catch up the system they have now for flat rate unlimited, no contracts. They'll put in taxes in that price soon. TM and Sprint are always the first to change the Industry in the US.
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morbo
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get an unlimited plan from one of the regional carriers. you will pay about half what big red is charging.

Droid Lover

@pacbell.net
14 Plans are confusing? Read it - it's that simple.

Droid Lover

@pacbell.net

reply

no - older phones do not require it

NY Tel
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This is not so bad

For someone who has to have data (like me) this is a price reduction in some instances.

As the Borg always says: "Resistance is Futile"....

The others will follow suit in some way shape or form.
rahvin112

join:2002-05-24
Sandy, UT

Re: This is not so bad

And that's where I disagree. The Cellular market was a growth market since it's inception until mid 2008. That's when cellular penetration maximized with nearly everyone that will ever purchase a phone having one.

Because the total number of subscribers isn't growing anymore that means that to achieve growth the carriers have to steal subscribers from each other. Markets in growth are often not competative because even if one of the companies engages in egregious pricing they will still retain growth through new subscribers and contracts. The problem is now that the the market has leveled off the tier 3 and 4 players can only grow by stealing from the tier 1 and 2 provider. This means Sprint and T-Mobile are going to have to start aggresively pricing plans to steal customers. At some point the subscriber losses will begin to hurt ATT and Verizon and they will have to follow suit.

We leveled off on growth last year, it typically takes several years for full price competition to start and the long term cellular contract extends that delay. I'd say by 2014-2015 we should be seeing significant drops in cellular pricing versus current pricing. The drops already started with Sprints unlimited everything plan priced at $99.99 announced last year and unliminted minute phone plans priced at $69.99, as you can see verizon's now followed suit on the phone minutes and just needs to fall into place with texts and data as well. I give them 6 months before they match Sprints pricing fully at which point Sprint will have to drop prices again. By mid to end next year pricing should be in a full slide and I would expect to see low use "emergency" type plans at around $10 to try to milk that last few percentage points of the population that refuse to purchase a cellular plan.
nyrmetros

join:2008-02-01
Oakland Gardens, NY

Grandfathered in ?

My question, is this for people who re-up and sign new contracts, or does this affect people who already have an Env3 like myself (over a year to go on my contract). If I have to pay a mandatory data fee for a mid level phone I am def leaving Verizon.
Sbrav77
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Re: Grandfathered in ?

I asked about this when I was upgrading a phone on my line. One of 8 lines I have. I was told that if you upgraded your phone to one of the phones considered 3g multimedia, then yes you would be required to purchase one of the data plans. Even if you don't change your package. The phone upgrade constitutes a change to require the data package.

NOCMan
MadMacHatter
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Colorado Springs, CO

So the 5G Cap is Gone?

They're using "Unlimited Data" again which is what got them sued in the first place, but I see no subscript saying 5gig Cap..

Maybe they're finally realizing how pointless a 5G cap was.

88615298
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West Tenness

Re: So the 5G Cap is Gone?

said by NOCMan:

They're using "Unlimited Data" again which is what got them sued in the first place, but I see no subscript saying 5gig Cap..

Maybe they're finally realizing how pointless a 5G cap was.
No there still is a 5 GB cap and it's corresponding $51.20 per GB overage fee. These plans only apply to PHONES. You can't use these data plans to tether you phone to you laptop or PC. It's going be hard to go over 5 GB on a phone anyways. it's not like you can go to Hulu or some shit and watch video etc. Mos tof the bandwidth on the sites I visit is because these sites use a lot of flash. Well most phones don't do Flash. Thus you won't be using data on that.
iansltx

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Nice price point on unlimited talk

It was only a matter of time before prepaid providers undercut the postpaids enough to make selling unlimited voice-only for $100 per month an exercise in futility. Verizon's prices are still expensive compared with the prepaid providers that resell their own network (Straight Talk and Page Plus to be specific) but the downward market pressure is pushing pricing in the right direction. Sure, an all-inclusive plan on Verizon will still be $120 per month, plus taxes and fees, versus Sprint's $100 and T-Mobile's $80-$100 depending on phone subsidy, and unlimited add-a-line will be $100 per month, but that's better than what Verizon had before by a rather wide margin ($30-$50 per month per line).

NVaZN

@12.183.216.x

Re: Nice price point on unlimited talk

Expensive is relative. I've had Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T through work and personally. T-Mobile's service was horrible. Sprint worked at one of our locations, but not the other. So paying less for less coverage and more dropped calls is a trade off.
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..

will speak with my money and leave verizon if they require my mother and father to have data, they dont even know how to text or care for anything other than phone calls... this includes if later i try to upgrade their phone and they try to get me to sign the data plan.

chong67

join:2001-11-18
Jonesboro, GA

Re: ..

So nobody can still beat the Sprint $30 SERO plan?
djoropallo

join:2003-10-20
Maple Shade, NJ

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Upgraded today to beat the phone privelage fee.

I went in and got myself an enV3 today, to beat the data charge. We recently upgrade 2 other phones recently, so I am locked in for a while, but was interested in the Brigade. I didn't want to risk upgrading after the changes and then being "informed" I will have to add data to the other 2 existing phones on the account. I also feel that the Brigade will fall into the data phone category, it seems any qwerty phone is in it. I wanted a qwerty for texting, if my glasses aren't handy I can still reply in English.

I enjoyed when I went into the store today and asked the guy, "Is the enV3 still data free?" He responded, "of course", and I smiled, "until Monday." He asked what I meant, but the 2 girls behind the counter knew and replied major plan changes coming.

i1me2ao
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TEXAS

basic phone

i like the pda phone but dont want the data plan. i have fat ass fingers and cannot type worth a dam on a flip phone. bunch of asses..
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Re: basic phone

samsung intensity, slideout qwerty and was considered a dumb phone last time I checked since it can't even do 3G.

i1me2ao
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Re: basic phone

sweet, maybe there is hope for my cheap ass..

thanks..

symo

@extendedstay.com

What difference does it make?

Bring it on Verizon! I've only been with you for 4 years. I can change to another provider as easily as I changed to you. You can take my 3 lines and shove them up your cell tower.

I just need a telephone that acts like, well, a telephone. I don't need data. Don't need text. Don't need ring tones. Don't need pictures. Don't need video. Don't need price plan increases to do what you charge too much to do now.

ironwalker
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Family plan?

If they family plan stays untouched or goes down in price, I will be a happy family member!
Sbrav77
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Re: Family plan?

This was pointed out in another forums somewhere. If you have the lowest family share plan with the connect plan, which includes unlimited data, text messages, pic messages etc. you are paying 119.99 for the first two lines and 20.00 extra for each family share line. This includes unlimited data on all the phones on the plan. Under the new plan, you would pay 99.99 for the first two lines, which only includes voice and text. To add the unlimited data, you would be required to pay an extra 29.99. Thus you would be paying 129.99 for the same thing you are currently paying 119.99. Along with 30.00 extra per line for unlimited data compared to the current 20.00 per line charge. So if you have 5 lines and all have the unlimited data plan, under the new structure, you would be paying an extra 50.00 over what you pay now.

bigjohn

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Woodstock, GA
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Re: Family plan?

What most people don't get is that SPRINT plan includes unlimited roaming to, plus, the unlimited any mobile any time.
your basic family plan:
Total for 5 shared lines $189.96
Includes Unlimited nights at 7, unlimited ROAMING (Verizon's network is YOUR network...), any mobile any time, and 1500 minutes to share for when you're phone is roaming or you need to dial a land line...

This is an AWESOME deal!

thebakeman

join:2004-03-25
Etobicoke, ON

prepaid

I'm from Canada and my wife and me recently visited family down in NC for the Christmas Holidays. We had to do something about the crazy roaming costs we got on our Bell phone last time. We ended up getting a Straight Talk phone from Walmart. Best thing we ever did. We got the $45 card that gave us unlimited talk, text and data for 30 days with no roaming charges all over continental USA. They only have 3 phones to choose from, but the price can't be beat. It's worth checking out.

ztmike
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Re: prepaid

said by thebakeman:

I'm from Canada and my wife and me recently visited family down in NC for the Christmas Holidays. We had to do something about the crazy roaming costs we got on our Bell phone last time. We ended up getting a Straight Talk phone from Walmart. Best thing we ever did. We got the $45 card that gave us unlimited talk, text and data for 30 days with no roaming charges all over continental USA. They only have 3 phones to choose from, but the price can't be beat. It's worth checking out.
Straight talk uses the Verizon network.

I seriously don't know why people go for contract companies when they can get a ALOT better deal going prepaid.
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88615298
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Re: prepaid

said by ztmike:

said by thebakeman:

I'm from Canada and my wife and me recently visited family down in NC for the Christmas Holidays. We had to do something about the crazy roaming costs we got on our Bell phone last time. We ended up getting a Straight Talk phone from Walmart. Best thing we ever did. We got the $45 card that gave us unlimited talk, text and data for 30 days with no roaming charges all over continental USA. They only have 3 phones to choose from, but the price can't be beat. It's worth checking out.
Straight talk uses the Verizon network.

I seriously don't know why people go for contract companies when they can get a ALOT better deal going prepaid.
Yeah and get your choice of 3 crappy phones. If you could use your own phone then it's be ok but you can't do that. I've got a perfectly good phone. Also I don't want to change my number.

wolffman

@knology.net

What about grandfathered Alltel Subscribers?

I do not want any increase in my bill, I am buying time until my contract is up then prepaid for me screw verizon.

gball
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Its only a matter of time

before they will force you to get a unlimited txt msg package when buying a phone with a slide out keyboard..

Just because people want a cool phone doesn't mean they want to take it up the ass and have data also.

My mom doesn't even know what data is much less ever plan on using it but she would like a nice phone to use with a big screen like mine.

Theres always prepaid I suppose.

p2p

@dynamp.com

Re: Its only a matter of time

said by gball:

before they will force you to get a unlimited txt msg package when buying a phone with a slide out keyboard..

They are doing excalty that. The ENV3 now requires data plan, for each line!

Josh1581

@comcast.net

Sprint

I'm very happy with my Sprint service. I've travelled various places and only had a little trouble in Rancho Cucomonga area in California.

They're pricing is great, you just have to deal with their customer service on the phone. I've gotten my problems fixed it just took a couple of calls.