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Lewisville, TX
clubs: | Ah, the price of progress. I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl? | |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. said by rockhounds_5  :I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl? No, but they'd prefer to go with Verizon FiOS where these problems aren't as big. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by Rob :said by rockhounds_5 :I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl? No, but they'd prefer to go with Verizon FiOS where these problems aren't as big. Um yeah. well cosndiering most of my state has at&t POTS the chances of Verizon coming her are NIL. People act like they'll have a chocie between U-verse and FiOS and 99% of the time that won't happen. Neither at&t or Verizon is going to build where they don't already have some infrastructure in place. | |
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In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
| Re: Ah, the price of progress. said by BF69 :said by Rob :said by rockhounds_5 :I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl? No, but they'd prefer to go with Verizon FiOS where these problems aren't as big. Um yeah. well cosndiering most of my state has at&t POTS the chances of Verizon coming her are NIL. People act like they'll have a chocie between U-verse and FiOS and 99% of the time that won't happen. Neither at&t or Verizon is going to build where they don't already have some infrastructure in place. FiOS is already overbuilding in AT&T territory in Texas. | |
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
1 edit | said by rockhounds_5 :I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl? I'm pretty sure they would prefer to have something other than a monopoly broadband provider that has decided on a half-ass solution to advanced broadband that saves the company money and results in refrigerator-size boxes on their front lawns.
Is ATT's VDSL better than dial-up? you betcha. Do the customers that have no other choice have to like the way it's implemented? absolutely not. | |
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. said by nasadude :I'm pretty sure they would prefer to have something other than a monopoly broadband provider that has decided on a half-ass solution to advanced broadband that saves the company money and results in refrigerator-size boxes on their front lawns. I've seen a lot of VRADs in San José, California. I can't say that I have seen any on front lawns. I can say that every VRAD I have seen is adjacent to a cross-connect box. Are you saying that the same communities which allowed the telco to install a cross-connect box on a front lawn is having second thoughts, when a second box is added to that location?
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| dave
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| said by rockhounds_5 :I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl? False dichotomy. The choices are not limited to
1) Slow connections
2) Large lump of equipment placed with no concern as to appearance
There is another possibility:
3) Large piece of equipment sited in such a way as to reduce its unsightliness | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Ah, the price of progress. Outrageous that these people would want some say over box placement in their own communities. | |
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rockhounds_5
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Lewisville, TX
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. Food for thought: »www.hartfordbusiness.com/news5691.html
One thing I would like to know why some developers use alleyways while others don't. Placing stuff like VRAD's, transformers, etc. becomes a little more bearable for the homeowner, but still an eyesore. I realize older developments don't have this option.
Also, can the VRAD's be reduced in size for future deployments? What about a WIMAX solution vs. using existing copper from the VRAD? | |
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join:2000-05-04
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·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. AT&T warned of possible widespread disruption of its U-verse video, Internet and phone service if it is forced to obtain retroactive permission from neighboring property owners for the installation of hundreds of refrigerator-sized utility boxes that power the service. Translation: AT&T threatened anyone who objected. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. If the ATT places the VRADs in front of houses that have had their value plummet due fact that they're now considered toxic, will the future owner of that asset be eligible for Superfund monies?
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join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Re: Ah, the price of progress. Oh and Karl...Evanston is in Illinois just North of Chicago. | |
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join:2007-07-12
Columbus, OH | Re: Ah, the price of progress. Did you ever consider that there was more than one Evanston. BTW there is a Evanston,IN.too! | |
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join:2004-12-30
Avon, IN
| Re: Ah, the price of progress. said by taylor2767 :Did you ever consider that there was more than one Evanston. BTW there is a Evanston,IN.too! you are right, there is an Evanston, IN population 715. This story is about Evanston, IL. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| said by taylor2767 :Did you ever consider that there was more than one Evanston. BTW there is a Evanston,IN.too! Midol helps | |
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | The funniest part about that threat was if they carried through with it, they would have to credit tons of money back to customers for service disruptions. They are basically threatening to hurt themselves. | |
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join:2005-03-19
Homer Glen, IL
| said by dave :said by rockhounds_5 :I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl? False dichotomy. The choices are not limited to 1) Slow connections 2) Large lump of equipment placed with no concern as to appearance There is another possibility: 3) Large piece of equipment sited in such a way as to reduce its unsightliness Why don't we just go back to medieval times without any power or electronic equipment?
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join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
·Verizon Online DSL
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. said by k1ll3rdr4g0n :Alright then, the boxes stay. Who said we had to get rid of the boxes? Please read what I wrote, and comment on that, not on something you made up. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: Ah, the price of progress. Dave, this is the Internet. You expect too much! | |
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rockhounds_5
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Lewisville, TX
clubs: | Hmm.. let's ask the electric company to move their boxes and we can burn candles for light and wood for heat. | |
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dialupvictim
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. said by rockhounds_5 :Hmm.. let's ask the electric company to move their boxes and we can burn candles for light and wood for heat. I burn wood for heat..... | |
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jsz0
join:2008-01-23
Jewett City, CT
·Comcast
| Well, actually they may. Broadband isn't quite as important as people think outside of the technology echo chamber. The average person is probably pretty happy with a slower, and cheaper, connection. Or perhaps they have a gut feeling that broadband can be delivered without VRADS on every block by using more elegant technology like FTTH.
Either way, I think AT&T could solve this problem by simply offering the home owners who get VRADS free service and/or compensation. They pay for space on poles, why shouldn't they pay for space on lawns? | |
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join:2007-02-27
Ventura, CA
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. said by rockhounds_5 :I wish I had a say when these were put in my back yard and alleyway. The top photo is my power transformer - at least there are no poles or lines since it's below-ground. The bottom photo is, from the left, Comcast/Time Warner/Whatever, and old GTE/Verizon terminal, and I'm not sure what the one on the right is. Oh, and let's not forget my cinder block to cover a hole my neighbor's dog dug underneath the fence and was getting out daily. Damn dude you better call the electric company, that box is sinking and looks rusty...they should change it out. Could be hazardous.. | |
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Harddrive
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Norwich, CT
| said by rockhounds_5 :
I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl?
U-Verse is DSL. AT&T doesnt use these boxes to string fiber to the home, just to the VRAD.
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| hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | the service they're actually selling is DSL just in higher speeds. So they're not actually going back to anything. | |
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maartena
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Orange, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| said by rockhounds_5 :I'm assuming that these people would prefer to go back to dialup or dsl? No they prefer that AT&T would run fiber to their home which does NOT require a huge box in their front yard. | |
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fiber_man
Things Happen For A Reason
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join:2001-01-27
Port Saint Lucie, FL
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| Re: Ah, the price of progress. You are right in a way. FTTH required a fiber cross box somewhere in the neighborhood and alot of digging up of every yard in said neighborhood. Most places put all of the utilities in a 10 foot easement and expect them to last forever. That it rarely the case. Repairs happen all the time. If you think that fiber does not get damaged you are blowing smoke up your ass.
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| | NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA | What are they doing about the AT&T cross connect boxes already on their lawns? | |
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screavic
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Paron, AR
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| Bring it here Slap one of those puppies in my yard, I would love to have something besides wireless. Quit making excuses, move forward and ask for forgiveness later haha. Just kidding, if that was the case some people would have a hole through the middle of their house.
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Provoice just DO it
join:2003-07-29
Mulberry, FL
|  No internet for you!
People choose ONE:
1) High speed Internet
2) "cute" yards.
The right of way is the for use of the utility be it crapble, telco, gas, eletric, water, sewer
YOU Joe Schmoe have ZERO SAY in it. End of the story.
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jlsamsel
join:2006-08-26
Stixville | Vrads They can always move to the country-the boxes will never show up there! 
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JSRoman
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Callahan, FL
| What sounds do these boxes make? »www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/ne···.article
I can hear it 24 hours a day," Walton said. "It's only six feet from my house."
Looking at a box is one thing, said Alderman Ann Rainey, 8th Ward.
"I don't think you should have to hear the box," she said.
Moaning?
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| ravensfan55
join:2008-06-16
Severna Park, MD | Re: What sounds do these boxes make? They make the same sound as transformer boxes. It's a slight hum. This guy must have either A. a poorly insulated house or B. a dead silent house to hear it. | |
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Chicago, IL | Re: What sounds do these boxes make? They are pretty loud, I walk by one everyday and it has that High Voltage hum. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: What sounds do these boxes make? They have cooling fans in them. | |
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ravensfan55
join:2008-06-16
Severna Park, MD
·Verizon FIOS
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1 edit | Morons......... Do these people not want competition? If I lived in area with no fiber I wouldn't care if AT&T had to put up a VRAD in my lawn. Then again, I'm not some anal bitchy housewife that lives on Wisteria Lane......
And of course, if they have underground utilities, these same people would throw a hissy fit when Verizon came around to dig up their lawns and put in fiber and junction boxes.... | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | AT&T hacked up crap VDSL is NOT where we want to be in 2009. We need fiber to the home or at the very least HFC with smaller nodes. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: AT&T hacked up crap No, we need ISDN, the digital future of universal communications systems. | |
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bender
Bite my shiny metal ass
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Evanston, IL
clubs: | correcting the editor... uh karl, that is not evanston, indiana. its evanston, illinois.
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gmoney_indy
join:2004-01-29
Fishers, IN | 'All too easy' AT&T
Your Home Value. Destroyed. | |
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join:2006-05-03
Jacksonville, FL
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| That picture is non-sense Those AT&T V-Rads are a lot smaller then that one on the picture nice joke Karl.The new V-Rads are about half the size of a phone booth, and are made out Stainless Steal.People around here dont bitch and these are being deployed all over their footprint nice joke Karl.I see your a AntiTelephone fan, and Guru of Cable. It explains well to well! | |
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@rr.com
| Re: That picture is non-sense Well, AT&T has just been putting brand new VRAD's in Raleigh, NC for the last few months, have they have JUST launched U-Verse in the area.
And all of the ones installed are beige, refrigerator sized boxes. They are not stainless steel, nor half the size of phone booths. | |
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Tuxified
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join:2009-01-04
clubs:
| said by anonuser101 :
Those AT&T V-Rads are a lot smaller then that one on the picture nice joke Karl.The new V-Rads are about half the size of a phone booth, and are made out Stainless Steal.People around here dont bitch and these are being deployed all over their footprint nice joke Karl.I see your a AntiTelephone fan, and Guru of Cable. It explains well to well!
LMAO! Stainless Steal?
Freudian slip? | |
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| smcallah
join:2004-08-05
Home
| Stainless "steal" boxes are usually the ones put in for traffic light automation gear. Are you sure you aren't just assuming that the boxes you are seeing belong to AT&T?
Lots of new AT&T boxes going up around here where fiber is being dug, and they are large, beige boxes. | |
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EG
The wings of love
Premium
join:2006-11-18
Union, NJ
| said by anonuser101 :
The new V-Rads are about half the size of a phone booth,
What's a phone booth ?  | |
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rudnicke
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join:2004-10-23
Rantoul, IL | Underground Can't AT&T just take the $2000 they offer for landscaping and sink those boxes in to the ground? | |
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skuv
@rr.com
| Re: Underground that would take quite a bit more than $2000.
As they'd have to put it in a concrete container, in a hole that is bigger than the original footprint of the box. And it has to have a cover on top, and probably an AC unit and ventilation system so that it doesn't overheat as it is being taken out of the open air and put into the ground.
It has to be bigger underground since you need room for a man or two to be able to work in front of the panel. | |
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| | Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Underground and im sure the people in those golf course lawn or HOA fines you neighborhoods would just love the damage the backhoe does while digging that bigass hole too.
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join:2008-06-16
Severna Park, MD
·Verizon FIOS
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| Re: Underground These NIMBYs will never be happy. They'll whine if a VRAD is in their lawn. They'll whine if their lawn gets trenched for a fiber line and junction box. If AT&T was to sink the VRAD, they'd whine for the huge hole that had to be dug.
When Verizon rolled out FiOS here, a few homeowners didn't like the fact that Verizon dug up their lawn, and sued Verizon. The case got thrown out because of the utility right-of-way in their HOA.
In my neighborhood the utilities are overhead. One couple threw a fit because Verizon put the fiber distro box on the pole in their front lawn. | |
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burgerwars
join:2004-09-11
Northridge, CA
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·RoadRunner Cable
| said by skuv :
that would take quite a bit more than $2000.
As they'd have to put it in a concrete container, in a hole that is bigger than the original footprint of the box. And it has to have a cover on top, and probably an AC unit and ventilation system so that it doesn't overheat as it is being taken out of the open air and put into the ground.
It has to be bigger underground since you need room for a man or two to be able to work in front of the panel.
Don't also forget water-tight. If the VRAD drowns, so does everyone's service. | |
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join:2006-10-27 | CO anyone I guess there just to cheap to build new CO's and branch centers
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join:2008-06-16
Severna Park, MD | The VRADs have to be witin 300-500 feet of the crossboxes. The location of the CO has nothing to do with where VRADs are placed. | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | What about prior FTTN deployment? Cabinets have been around for decades. Most of the VRAD placement is taking place next to existing cabinets.
Just something that people are whining over because people will listen. | |
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Madtown
join:2008-04-26
Madera, CA | I know a really good place for one of those VRADs. Put it right here in Madera, Ca in the Parkwood area, that would be a good place, make sure it serves the whole area. | |
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Madtown
join:2008-04-26
Madera, CA
| Looking a the picture got me thinking Maybe the woman in the picture don't want the little girl doing porn so she's against the VRAD boxes. Some people think the internet is only for porn, that's why they don't subscribe to the internet. I hate it when people think that way, the internet is used for everything, but this isn't the time and place to vent my frustration so I'll vent later.
Let's get back on topic. | |
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ArgMeMatey
join:2001-08-09
Milwaukee, WI
·AT&T Midwest
3 edits | Heavy local input helps keep the heat on AT&T.JPG/thumb.jpg "996920 bytes")
Very small VRAD site |
The whole deal is a compromise. AT&T wants a piece of the pie but they can't make a profit on FTTH right now.
What if they put fiber to the pole or underground right of way and told homeowners they could pay the capital cost to get from the house to the ROW? Would enough homeowners take the plunge on that? Apparently AT&T doesn't think so.
Nobody likes this arrangement but it's what we're stuck with. Government (as local as possible) should work on behalf of property owners to see that it is done well. Adjacent property owners need a veto. They should get it by being reasonable and applying pressure on elected officials.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Easy to oppose. Just start a cable internet campaign. If ATT sees an entire neighborhood of customers disappear, they will probably be willing to remove a box. | |
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cpal
join:2002-07-10
Herndon, VA | Evanston, Where? Northwestern University and the citizens of Evanston who live north of Chicago are going to be pretty unhappy that they no longer live west of Lake Michigan... | |
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