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Motorola Droid 2 Pics, Details Leaked
While Moto also plans iDen Boost Mobile phone...
While there's no launch date confirmed yet, photos of the as-yet-unreleased Motorola Droid 2 smartphone have surfaced in the wild. The device largely looks the same -- though the keyboard appears to have evolved slightly. The Droid 2 features the Android 2.1 OS, a 3.7" screen, a 5 megapixel camera, a 750MHz OMAP processor and comes with Wi-Fi tethering. Motorola's apparently very busy -- given the company is also cooking up a new iDen phone for Boost Mobile -- and Motorola CEO Sanjay Jha says the company plans to release a smartphone with a 2 GHz processor before the end of the year. Motorola says Droid sales are "extremely strong" -- though the company is struggling with component supply constraints.
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how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

With the current 1ghz snapdragon processors out now and the 1.5 dual core snapdragon coming out in a few months?

If it's not as powerful as the 1ghz model, then, given the other specifications of the phone it seems as if they're aiming at the mid to low end market of android phones.

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Re: how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

said by Frank:

With the current 1ghz snapdragon processors out now and the 1.5 dual core snapdragon coming out in a few months?

If it's not as powerful as the 1ghz model, then, given the other specifications of the phone it seems as if they're aiming at the mid to low end market of android phones.
The snapdragon is NOT a Cortex-A8 design. Even though it runs at 1Ghz, it's not as fast as a real Coretex-A8 chip like the Apple A4 or the OMAP we're talking about here. It sits somewhere between the old ARM11 core and the Cortex-A8. More or less, in terms of CPU perfomance, the Snapdragon at 1Ghz is equivalent to a Cortex-A8 at 600 - 800Mhz.

Also, the Snapdragon still uses a pos old 3D core that pales in comparison with the PowerVR 530 or 535 in the OMAP 3430 or the Apple A4 respectively.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Re: how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

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And what’s the payoff?

At first glance, it doesn’t look like much—as noted earlier, Scorpion is expected to run at 1 GHz in a 65 nm process, which is slightly lower than the 1.1 GHz top speed that ARM currently quotes for the Cortex-A8 in 65 nm. Scorpion is quoted as providing 2100 DMIPS at 1 GHz; Cortex-A8 is quoted at 2000 DMIPS at the same speed. However, a notable difference is that the Cortex-A8 top speed is for a TSMC GP (general-purpose) process, while the Scorpion speed is for the LP (low-power) process. ARM quotes the speed of Cortex-A8 in an LP process as roughly 650 MHz, and although TI does not publicize the exact speed of the hand-crafted, low-power Cortex-A8 core used in its OMAP3 chips, BDTI has estimated that it runs at roughly 450 MHz. (BDTI’s benchmark results for the Cortex-A8 are available at BDTI’s website, www.BDTI.com.) Thus, Qualcomm expects Scorpion to run significantly faster than Cortex-A8 when both are implemented in the low-power processes commonly used for mobile applications.

What about power consumption? Qualcomm claims that Scorpion will have power consumption of roughly 200 mW at 600 MHz (this figure includes leakage current, though its contribution is typically minimal in low-power processes). In comparison, ARM reports on its website that a Cortex-A8 in a 65 nm LP process consumes .59 mW/MHz (excluding leakage), which translates into about 350 mW at 600 MHz
The Snapdragon is more efficient than the Cortex-A8.

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Re: how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

No, it's not. Read the Anandtech article on it.

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Re: how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

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No, it's not. Read the Anandtech article on it.

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umm. link?

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Re: how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

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said by adisor19:

No, it's not. Read the Anandtech article on it.

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»www.anandtech.com/show/3 ··· apdragon

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Re: how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

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said by adisor19:

No, it's not. Read the Anandtech article on it.

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»www.anandtech.com/show/3 ··· apdragon

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Yeah. Did you actually read what I said? I said it's "more efficient". When talking about desktops, efficiency isn't much of a problem. In a smartphone, that's a big issue. And that's probably why Motorola is going with the Snapdragon over the A8.
Anand even states as much in that very article.
said by Anand Lal Shimpi :

It could also be a power optimization thing. The A4 in the iPad is paired with a much larger battery than the QSD8250 in the Nexus One, Apple may be able to run the SoC at more aggressive performance settings since it doesn't have to worry about battery life as much
People have been complaining about battery life on some Android devices - the Snapdragon processor can help deliver similar performance to the A8 while offering better battery life per clock.

In other words, there's no indication that this is aimed at a midrange audience simply because they chose a Snapdragon over an A8. One could just as easily deduce that this is geared towards business users and socialites who need the battery to last them a full day with continuous use (ie frequently updating widgets, etc), but don't care so much about the processor intensive functions like gaming (where the 1ghz A8 shines)

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Re: how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

said by tiger72:

One could just as easily deduce that this is geared towards business users and socialites
lol, i don't think so, please show me one socialite using a droid...

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said by tiger72:

One could just as easily deduce that this is geared towards business users and socialites
lol, i don't think so, please show me one socialite using a droid...
EASY.

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Re: how does the 750mhz omap processor compare....

and which socialite is that...?
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"Lady" Moron....

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The Snapdragon is more efficient than the Cortex-A8.
I think you mean is more power efficient. If it was more efficient overall, it wouldn't need to run at a higher clock cycle than the A8 to have equivalent performance.

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said by Frank:

With the current 1ghz snapdragon processors out now and the 1.5 dual core snapdragon coming out in a few months?

If it's not as powerful as the 1ghz model, then, given the other specifications of the phone it seems as if they're aiming at the mid to low end market of android phones.
This is just as fast as the 1ghz snapdragon.

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A small improvement

I have the original Droid and this doesn't seem like much of a improvement. Put Droid 2.2 in and than lets see what happens.

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Re: A small improvement

said by CaptainRR:

I have the original Droid and this doesn't seem like much of a improvement. Put Droid 2.2 in and than lets see what happens.
I have 2.2 on my Droid. It is pretty snappy.

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said by CaptainRR:

I have the original Droid and this doesn't seem like much of a improvement. Put Droid 2.2 in and than lets see what happens.
Meh - My original Droid is already overclocked to 1.2 GHz and has wireless tether (Thanks Steve). Too little hardware improvement for an entirely different model.

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I've been following this on Howard Forums for a few weeks and it looks interesting. Both the Droid 2 and Droid Extreme are rumored to be planned for release at about the same time. Just based on the rumors the Droid 2 looks like a minor update to the Droid aimed primarily at those wanting a better keyboard. The Extreme looks to be aimed as an iPod killer with a larger screen and more speed, memory, and storage than the Droid 2. That's the best that I've been able to figure from sorting through ever changing rumors anyway. There was talk of a 3rd "Droid Pro" Moto product but that's dried up.
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Re: A small improvement

said by sholling:

Just based on the rumors the Droid 2 looks like a minor update to the Droid aimed primarily at those wanting a better keyboard.
That's really the only thing that irks me about original droid. Keyboard is just too flat and keys are a little bit too small for fast typing. It is still acceptable, but it could be better. Not sure if that's enough to upgrade though.

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Droid XT720

There's also a keyboardless Droid X on the docket with AWS.
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I thought iDen was going away?

Wasn't that supposed to be shut down a while ago because of interference?

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Re: I thought iDen was going away?

Sprint is slowly moving iDen users over to CDMA. That shut down won't happen for a while.
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Re: I thought iDen was going away?

they're slowly pushing Boost iDEN customers to CDMA. I keep getting emails and texts from them about moving over and keep pusing the BB as well.

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don't trust Motorola

Moto is too quick to abandon their products. They release things like the Cliq, Backflip, Devour with already-obsolete operating systems and then fail to update them. The Cliq is still crippled with Android 1.5 and the life-sucking MotoBlur and all we get from Motorola is "maybe soon it will be updated, but no promises".

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My wife got the Cliq. What a POS. We ended up returning it because of how buggy it was.

Only HTC phones for me from now on.
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Re: don't trust Motorola

isn't HTC part of Moto?
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Re: don't trust Motorola

Not that I know of... Citation needed? HTC's wikipedia made no mention of motorola, nor of HTC on motorola's wikipedia.
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Re: don't trust Motorola

ehhh....i don't trust wiki for much information as most of it is false, especially when allowing anyone in to edit anything they wish.

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don't throw baby out with the bath water

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I'd trust a wiki over someones "is this true?" comment any day.

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HTC is NOT part of Motorola in any way, they are competitors. HTC is based in Taiwan, with manufacturing facilities in mainland China.

HTC is very forthcoming with updates and new technologies. Motorola attempted a comeback but has dropped the ball miserably.

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no. Thank God.

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isn't HTC part of Moto?
No.

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isn't HTC part of Moto?
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Don't know if this will happen but eh.
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said by fuziwuzi:

The Cliq is still crippled with Android 1.5 and the life-sucking MotoBlur and all we get from Motorola is "maybe soon it will be updated, but no promises".



Why do you consider Android 1.5 a crippled OS? What is it that you are hoping to do with later versions of the Android OS that you can't do with 1.5?

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GSM Droid

I just want that, in states
For months I am waiting for second generation android with keyboard

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Android 2.1 OS?

Android 2.1 OS? Why not 2.2 if it won't be released until the end of the year?

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Parallel Development Channels

From what I've read on PPCGeeks and XDA-Developers, there are independent groups are working on a 2.2 variant.

There's also folks working on bumping this OS onto a 2.6 kernel instead of the 2.4 that Google is using.

I'll say this for Android; it's support staff is way more interesting than Symbian OS's or WinMo's.

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taking cues from apples marketing

I wonder if there will be a "Super Droid" in time for Christmas and another 6 months after that.