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| Its a start Well it's better now that the hardware can be bought and we aren't playing the waiting game IF the ISPs went to D3 sooner.
So get ready I guess and hope that in the next two years we see the roll out.
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diskace
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join:2002-02-21 | Re: Its a start Pretty interesting. I wonder if the SB6120 use the not-very-stable texas instrument chipset found in the SB5120. Any plan for a SB6100 or SB6101 with broadcom ? | |
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| Re: Its a start The SB5120 is one of the best modems around. The signal strength issue when run on marginal lines was fixed a year and a half ago.
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join:2002-02-21 | Re: Its a start err... the SB5101 is one of the best model.
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clubs:  | Re: Its a start Nah I think it's the SB5101 that has the problem with the software that's pushed to it on Comcast.
My SB5120 is amazing, going strong in it's 4th year. | |
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dvd536
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| said by diskace  :err... the SB5101 is one of the best model. the 5101 leaves much to be desired in the logging/signals pages.
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clubs: | I use the same chipset in my DCM-202 and it's been rock solid for more than a year. I've actually not heard much about any problems with the TI chipset. | |
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| said by diskace :Pretty interesting. I wonder if the SB6120 use the not-very-stable texas instrument chipset found in the SB5120. Any plan for a SB6100 or SB6101 with broadcom ? No, motorola will use the Puma 5 designed by TI in israel.
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| said by diskace :Pretty interesting. I wonder if the SB6120 use the not-very-stable texas instrument chipset found in the SB5120. Any plan for a SB6100 or SB6101 with broadcom ? That's funny; I *have* one of those supposedly non-stable SB-5120s (in fact, I've had it for nearly *three years*, as I bought it new in July of 2005), and it has never failed. Most of the time I've logged with it has been with CHSI 8 Mbps with PB; it's been Utterly Flawless. | |
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| UofMiamiGrad
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Great Neck, NY
| Definitely a start, I am sure this thing support DOCSIS 1.0 & 2.0, so that MSOs can order these and start deploying them. Then all they have to do is work on the outside plant/headend & begin offering faster speeds. I am sure by then FIOS at least will be changing everyone over to GPON, staying a step ahead of cable. | |
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February 21st, @12:09PM
| Upstream Karl wrote: ". . . pretty paltry upstream speeds comparatively (1-2Mbps) because upstream channel bonding isn't fully cooked."
But for OOL customers surely upstream would at least match what BOOST provides now(?)
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| Re: Upstream Even with they finally "cook" upstream, it is up to the providers to determine how much upstream everyone gets. You really think they are just going to plug in everyone with even 20mb/s upstream? Most likely not. They will probably still stick with the 1-2 mb/s up.
Why?
•Because faster up would encourage P2P use, weather legal or not it thrives on people actually offering the file back to others.
•Because pretty much every provider has it in their TOS that customers are not permitted to run servers at home, even for personal use!
They would rather tick off the guy trying to upload to his large photo archives, and because they don't worry much about innovative products and services requiring faster upstream. It's a shame really.
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| Re: Me want DOCSIS 3.0... said by gatorkram :I could be really happy with something like 20/5, dare I dream of 20/20... Pssst, Verizon, come buy out Embarq... And some other large cable company, come by out Suddenlink.. you dont need docsis 3.0 for 20/5. I have 30/5 and am not on it.
and, if you must know, my isp is optonline.net
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Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Me want DOCSIS 3.0... said by gatorkram :My silly cable isp is still using DOCSIS 1.1 My stupid DSL isp has old dslams that don't support adsl2.. My area needs an injection of new blood. Don't feel bad. Most of NC has two options, Time Warner (DOCSIS 1.1 with 384 or 512Kbps upstream) or AT&T, pre U-Verse. There are some smaller pockets with regional providers (like mine) but most of the state is locked into two not so great options. | |
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Winterville, NC
clubs: | Re: Me want DOCSIS 3.0... Embarq and Suddenlink here in South Eastern N/C just outside Greenville.
I have them both.
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David_
La vida es bella
join:2001-01-28
chile
| What? No wifi ?? It`s need to have a WIFI (or equivalent) to use it with my notebook and smartphone.
I hate to have a separate wifi router running alongside my cable modem. (2 separate power outlets)
Until they can do it in an integrated wifi combo then I`ll take one . | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: What? No wifi ?? No thanks, I like having a separate unit -- let the modem be a modem, and my router will serve as a router. And access point.  | |
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aaron8301
I can't get myself to go away.
join:2005-01-03
Clarkston, WA
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| QoS and Caps So if they can now deploy "Service Assurance" or QoS, does that mean that they will do away with the invisible caps? With QoS, they should be able to simply lower the priority of a connection either in real time (say, if it is over 75% of it's max) or in general (say, if the user has a history of downloading over xxxGB a month).
Makes more sense to me than invisible caps, or even visible caps. I think it would be a fair way to limit the heavy users reasonably and ensure good service for the light users.
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February 21st, @03:39PM
| Re: QoS and Caps I say they take what ever cap they want to set, say 200 GB a month and add 30% to that to come up with 260 GB. They then can take that number and divide it to come up with the down speed per sec and advertise that to me. Instead of advertising a ungodly speed that would amount to 1000's of gigs a month, and then saying, "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING USING THAT TO ITS FULLEST POTENTIAL." But, thats just my point of view. I am sure there are a lot of people out there that would be very happy to have 1 thing advertised to them, and pay for it, but receive something else. | |
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aaron8301
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Clarkston, WA | Re: QoS and Caps Well, that kind of had nothing to do with what I was saying. | |
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| Re: QoS and Caps ok, your model will be fine. just as mine would be fine for them to advertise. my point is i would go else were for my connection. I think always on 10 MB down mean i can use 10 MB 24/7 if I see fit. Your model to me would be the same as being the only person in a all you can eat pizza restaurant, and after you eat the first pizza, they start putting out 1 piece of pizza every 30 min. I think a company should stand behind what they advertise, so i can make a choice, and not change it part way through. | |
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aaron8301
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Clarkston, WA
·CableOne
| Re: QoS and Caps I wasn't talking about billing or usage models, nor suggesting one. I was suggesting the use of QoS, which could be used on ANY billing or usage model.
If you want to bitch about Comcast's current usage model, please feel free to do so in one of the many threads in the Comcast forum or in the rants and raves forum.
I was simply suggesting that since cable is a shared medium, that QoS could be used to ensure that even if my neighbors were downloading porn (whether or not their connection is unlimited), that I can still browse the web without a hitch.
I did also suggest that they *could* do away with caps if they used QoS, but it wasn't my main concern. | |
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aaron8301
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| Re: QoS and Caps Yes, but apparently nobody has implemented it yet. This line from the articleA key differentiator for Motorola’s DOCSIS 3.0 CPE line is that it is designed for Service Assurance – Quality of Service (QoS) at the edge of the network leads me to believe that it will be much easier for a provider to use it. | |
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MacLeech
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SoCal
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February 22nd, @12:32PM
| Re: QoS and Caps The reason QoS isn't used for internet service is that it requires more bandwidth overall from the provider.
QoS is used all the time on DOCSIS 1.0 and 2.0 systems with phone service, due to the required latency, jitter, and bandwidth AVAILABILITY needed.
The little blurb Moto mentions on "Service Assurance" is just marketing trying to sell a feature. | |
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aaron8301
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| Re: QoS and Caps said by MacLeech :The little blurb Moto mentions on "Service Assurance" is just marketing trying to sell a feature. That I do believe, since it's Motorola. | |
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MacLeech
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| Re: QoS and Caps What you originally asked for:
"With QoS, they should be able to simply lower the priority of a connection either in real time (say, if it is over 75% of it's max) or in general (say, if the user has a history of downloading over xxxGB a month)."
That's somewhat similar to what Comcast does with Boost. After downloading wide open for a certain amount of data, the connection is limited to the caps on the modem in real time. | |
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join:2008-02-17
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| Re: QoS and Caps I guess I am not making my point. I would rather the cable or phone companies to be up front with me. To me unlimited always on with a cap of any kind is false advertisement. If they want to have a cap then be upfront about it. Now to your "So you want an 840 kbps connection?" I have EV-DO rev 0, so yea that sounds pretty good. Yes, I have had AT&T DSL and Cox Cable in the past, and I miss it a great deal. I was hoping my estimate was going to be a bit higher I am still not good at the bandwidth math. I just know I like a lot of it. | |
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aaron8301
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·CableOne
| Re: QoS and Caps I understand your point, but it had nothing to do with mine, and thus shouldn't have been a reply to me.
Also, people have been beating the dead "invisible cap/false advertising" horse for YEARS on these forums. This topic isn't the place to do it. | |
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| Re: QoS and Caps I am sorry, I did not understand that your post did not have anything to do with caps. It was the little things like the title of your post that threw me off "QoS and Caps", and a few of the statements like "(say, if it is over 75% of it's max)", and "(say, if the user has a history of downloading over xxxGB a month)." kind of seemed to refer to cap issues to me. Again I am so sorry, I would not of posted things regarding cap if I would of realized your post did not have anything to do with caps. | |
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| Picture If i'm reading and guessing right (after clicking on link which lead me to the motorola page), the modem on the left is the standard cable modem, the big one in the middle is the voip cablemodem with ups battery backup, and the one on the right is the voip cablemodem with no battery backup.
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February 21st, @09:39PM
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SB6120 (left), SBV5222 (middle), SBV6220 (right) |
The model on the left is the SB6120 cable modem (it has 5 LED status lights):
»business.motorola.com/ultrabroad···heet.pdf
The model on the right is the SBV6220 digital voice modem (it has 8 LEDs on the front).
»business.motorola.com/ultrabroad···inal.pdf
The one in the middle looks like a SBV5222, a DOCSIS 2.0, 2-line digital voice modem, with integrated battery backup:
»broadband.motorola.com/consumers···2008.pdf
The SBV6120 digital voice modem without battery backup isn't shown (it has 7 LED status lights on the front), but here's its data sheet:
»business.motorola.com/ultrabroad···inal.pdf
[edit] After looking at the pics for the SBV5322 and SBV5222 I decided the middle one was the SBV5222 since it was missing the 3rd and 4th telephone line LEDs. | |
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tmh
@qwest.net | So what? I can't even get the speeds I'm paying for now with Comcast. During the evening, my speeds drop to 2Mbps/.3Mbps down/up. | |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | No upstream bonding Why even bother . This modem doesnt support upstream bonding so I hope isps are not stupid enough to upgrade everybody to it. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY | nothing to see.. move on... you have at least another year before certified docsis 3 gear reaches any volume production, much less a multi-billion dollar commitment from any of the major cablecos, if at all.. | |
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join:2001-08-02 | Asia docsis 3 modems? I take it Motorola aint behind the Asia area docsis 3 modems? If Motorola is just NOW coming out with modems..
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clubs: | Wow.. What is that modem in the middle it's friken huge! | |
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MacLeech
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February 21st, @09:35PM
| Re: Wow.. The one in the middle isn't part of the 6000 series DOCSIS 3.0 series modems.
It's a 2-line SBV5222 from the looks of it:
»broadband.motorola.com/consumers···2008.pdf
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Rick
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Waterbury, CT
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| Ladies and Gentlemen.. I've said it before...and I'll say it again.
Welcome..to Docsis 3.0.
Welcome to the complete and utter destruction of AT&T.
I totally suspect that the cable co's..led by Comcast and quickly followed by others..are going to leverage this technology as fast as they can over the coming year and into next..to destroy the telco industry as we know it today.
For the last 10 years the cable industry as a whole has been rolling out their 100 Billion dollar fiber network.
And now it's really time to reap the rewards of it.
They are ready...so ready...to take this technology and run with it..using their vast reach to take this across America so fast that it will make the Execs in AT&T's board room literally pass out at the mere mention of it.
Docsis 3.0 is going to cost them virtually nothing compared to the money they've already spent. This is a minor upgrade compared to the disaster that is AT&T's..and even Verizon's networks..as they exist today.
Docsis 3.0 is to broadband what DDR was to the memory industry. The fast..seamless..and inexpensive solution for the masses.
Fiber to the home..while a valiant effort on the part of Verizon...is a vastly expensive and time consuming venture on their part. And one that simply cannot compete with the monster that the Cable industry is now preparing to roll out. And, that is Verizons effort. Now consider AT&T's.
Their complete destruction is at hand I predict. Absolute..complete..and total annihilation coming at them from every angle.
Think about it. Think VERY carefully about it.
Is there anything left that anyone will want from them?
Who in the world will want dsl at 768k to 1500k speeds..when the cable industry starts to standardize 50,000 to 100,000 k speeds?
NO ONE.
NO ONE AT ALL.
And, you can add that to their landline customers who have..for the better part of several years now..been fleeing like rats off the deck of the titanic.
Their pension check recipients..employees and whatever is left of their fan club around this website have crowed nonstop about all that is left. Wireless.
And now that is under attack as well.
WHAT IS LEFT OF AT&T???
Just the obituary IMHO.
NO ONE WANTS copper to the home via some old phone line.
And certainly not one that will have to carry hsi..HDTV..and voice.
What on earth is the matter with that company? Why have they never seen this coming?
And now..I predict..it is TOO LATE.
The game is OVER.
DOCSIS 3.0
A new world order is about to be rolled out.
And it is the world owned by the cable industry.
C O M C A S T.
DOCSIS 3.0.
I can hardly wait for it.
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| I agree. I think that Comcast's HSI will be soooooooooooooooooooooo much better than the "new at&t's" ADSL. I mean really; at&t's fastest speed is 6Mbps while currently Comcast's fastest is 8Mbps, not to mention the fact of powerboost and that in some ares Comcast has 16Mbps! Take that at&t! I do disagree some about Verizon Fios though. Fiber is alot better than copper coax. However, Fiber vs coax vs 100 year old phone lines... I'd take the coax over the phone line ANY day. And I think it would be great if Cable companies rolled out FTTH. Plus, it wouldn't be as hard or expensive if a cable comany did it as it is for Verizon to do it. If cable companies were to do it now, it would be cheaper since cable already would have a good portion of their fiber network in place relatively close to the customers homes. It still would be cheaper and easier though for cable companies to use their current HFC networks with new HSI technologies like DOCSIS 3.0 and new compression methods like MPEG-4.As a finnal note, cable companies should convert to 100% digital, freeing up LOTS of bandwith currently taken up by analog channels. | |
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join:2006-12-21
Ajax, ON
| Wonder if Canadian ISPs will benefit from this I wonder how Canadian Cable ISPs will benefit from this technology....Right now, Rogers has the fatest internet service (aka Extreme Plus) at 18.0 Mbps download/1.0 Mbps upload.
Videotron in Quebec has two Ultimate High Speed Internet plans, one at 30 Mbps and one at 50Mbps (all download, 1.0 Mbps is the upload for both of these plans).
Shaw's Nitro internet service is waaaay fast - up to 25 Mbps!
I wonder will these providers will get those modems for their services....lol | |
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