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join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | It's a great idea, but... I won't be interested. I'd much rather pay $3.99 to get the same movie from DirecTV pay per view with Dolby Digital 5.1 surround. | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
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PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| Re: It's a great idea, but... Well, and on a nice couch as well.....
These service won't take off until broadband enabled homes and living rooms take off.
I have a nice desk and chair in my office, but I still don't want to watch a 2 hour movie there when I've got a 5.1 DVD system in the living room.... | |
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Disturbed
join:2001-02-15
Georgetown, KY
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| I wonder Ok if you read the F.A.Q. the movie automatically deletes itself after 24 hours. I guess it will take roughly half that time before someone figures out a way to "crack" this system so one can watch the film over and over again.
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join:2000-10-05
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Aramis604
I Represent Nobody But Myself.
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join:2000-12-15
Poway, CA
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Disturbed
join:2001-02-15
Georgetown, KY
·AT&T Southeast
| Well, If there is anything that is 100% positive in the land of software. If someone makes a protection. Someone will come along and break it.
And this is just another form of software if you think about it.
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MrTangent
join:2001-12-28
Earth | Uggh Windows Media or Real Media?
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Count Hogula$
Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
Corona, CA
| Who would pay $5? When you can get half those DVD's from super discount retailers like deepdiscountdvd for $12-$15.
This is going to go over like a fart in a spacesuit.
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Re: Who would pay $5? quote:
When you can get half those DVD's from super discount retailers like deepdiscountdvd for $12-$15.
People already pay that price or slightly less for pay per view movies and blockbuster rentals. | |
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Notorious Dog
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join:2002-06-19
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| Re: Who would pay $5? said by Eat Me  :
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When you can get half those DVD's from super discount retailers like deepdiscountdvd for $12-$15.
People already pay that price or slightly less for pay per view movies and blockbuster rentals.
Yeah...they pay less for the movie and get to watch it on a screen 50X larger with better sound and playback control. Until people start using PC devices with their HDTV monitors...their plan will go NOWHERE.
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join:2001-12-28
Earth
| Windows only. You other untermensch need not apply In addition, the computer must be running Windows 98, 2000, ME or XP operating systems, with 2GB of free hard disk space available. Nothing like excluding everyone else that uses any other OS.
This thing will fail fantastically. Mark my words. Like another poster mentioned, who wants to watch a small, pixelized, compressed video on their computer that probably will only be in stereo? I'd rather just *shock*LEAVE*/shock* my house for ten minutes and go rent a movie and watch it with better resolution, convenience in the living room where I'd be infinitely more comfortable. | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Re: Windows only. You other untermensch need not apply Real Player is now going to be open source. | |
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join:2001-08-01
Laurel, MD
| quote:
In addition, the computer must be running Windows 98, 2000, ME or XP operating systems, with 2GB of free hard disk space available.
Nothing like excluding everyone else that uses any other OS.
Or any other browser, as I discovered when it rejected my Opera query of its page. | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Re: could work! quote:
This kills PPV, IMO, cause it's at MY convenience.
Does your cable co. offer VoD? VoD is what will kill PPV, not this. | |
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Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
|  Close but no cigar....
As much as some folks may like viewing films on their PCs...like in college dorms...most prefer viewing film on large screens with 5.1 surround.
I would bet that this good intentioned but somewhat flawed model will end up failing at the outset and yet again be another reason why no online rental or purchasing system will work since OBVIOUSLY consumers would rather download their film from P2P instead of legit services. The MPAA will say -- "See, told you so"
K.
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Alex4life
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join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC
| Re: Close but no cigar.... said by KoolMoe :
Do most people like to watch on large screens and 5.1 surround?
Of my small range of friends, only one has all the 'stuff' - wide screen, dolby, true surround...
We have a 32" TV. Big enough for us. Only thing I'd like better is flat screen, but don't need anything bigger.
I run my audio through the stereo and have 4 speaker out. Not surround, but sounds fine enough.
But perhaps I'm in the minority.
KM
You're in the minority of people who like their movies, but in the majority as a whole. Most people usually don't give a damn what the picture or sound is like. 32" is a decent size TV. No real need to go bigger unless you're really in to movies. 5.1 Surround is really great though.
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Well with all that said I have a 36" set...but I would prefer to have a nice flat panel etc etc...
I guess my point is that IMHO most folks would prefer to watch a movie on their 36" TV then on a 19" monitor.
Course my PC presently has better sound than my (starting to fail) stereo receiver....
K.
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ergibbs
To Be Free
Premium,ExMod 2001-05
join:2001-03-07
on the ocean
| It might work There's a reason people are buying DVD players for their computers - they want to be able to watch movies on their PCs. WMP has a full screen mode which works quite well.
Obviously the theory that "you can buy the DVD for $12-$14" doesn't hold water since movie renting from Blockbuster, etc. is big business.
This is just the next step in creating the virtually-connected home. Download the movie via the 'Net, watch it on your TV. Just as with any technology, you have to start with small steps first. I'd be surprised if this wasn't a huge success.
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News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
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PC gaming GAMES
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| Re: It might work The problem is, even many of the technologically swift people I know don't have TV out video cards, or the capability of delivering the film to a TV, and again, other that teens who are downloading 700meg Divx rips for free, there's not a huge market of legitimate customers who want to sit at their desk for 2 hours watching a movie, when they get a better experience in the theatre or the living room....
Besides there's too much competition. Not only can customers already rent a film in a store or on-line, but they can order one via pay perview without moving their but from the couch, or watch one of the 40 film channels most digital line-ups already offer.
Until there's a broader adoption of things like living room servers that serve MP3's and film via broadband, this is going to be a fringe operation. And I fail to see how they can compete with cable providers.
While they may just be staking their claim for the future, it would appear to me like an effort to bypass the middle men (cable, satellite, theatres) well before its time.
I imagine they expect heavy losses, and it will probably break even if they don't spend too much on advertising....but "a huge success" isn't terribly likely. | |
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ergibbs
To Be Free
Premium,ExMod 2001-05
join:2001-03-07
on the ocean
| Re: It might work Good points; however, teens can afford movies like this, too. If you capture an audience while it's young, you have a better chance of retaining it as it grows older. Things like the networked home and single routers that control an entire house are not too far off. Some devices are already in production. Here's one article (pdf format) on the possibilities. I believe that RCA has a device out now, too, that allows you to network PCs with TVs (I was trying to find it, but can't think of the name right now).
The problem with renting on-line through netflix is that you have to wait a couple of days to get the movie. To go to Blockbuster, you have to move your butt from your house and concern yourself with making sure the movie is back so you don't get charged late fees. PPV is extremely limited in what it shows and the movie channels are not too much better.
Again, it's the process of taking small steps to lead the consumer where you want the consumer to go.
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join:2002-04-16
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If this business plan works, I am starting a new country on a deserted island. | |
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ergibbs
To Be Free
Premium,ExMod 2001-05
join:2001-03-07
on the ocean | Re: It might work I don't know if it's deserted, but here's one for you to consider.
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Overdrive
Are You Where You Want To Be?
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join:2001-05-31
Waterbury, CT
| Re: It might work said by ergibbs :
I don't know if it's deserted, but here's one for you to consider.
that is too much! How did you find that and How much to buy it?
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elias
Premium,VIP
join:2000-07-24
Miami, FL
clubs: 
| Well, At Least They're Doing Something... RIAA take note.
At least the movie industry is trying to jump on it.
I'm not sure how this 24 hour delete itself crap is going to work... I mean, I'm sure you can just burn it to a CD and be over with it.
But hey, it's something.
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raymondh
@65.100.x.x | 2-gigs and no DD? A 2-gig Divx encoded movie can easily contain 5.1 DD almost DVD quality. Not to mention it can be played on other OS's.
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join:2001-01-22
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MrMaster
What If
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join:2000-12-16
Austin, TX
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| Re: It DOESN'T Work... $2.50 DVD Rental? Where do you shop? On some street corner?
Secondly, what do you think 90% of all people use? Opera? No. They use IE.
Lastly, if you aren't using WMP or Real Player, what are you using?
Due to the DRM in WMP you probably could burn it to a CD but the 24 hour limit would still apply. | |
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BellBoy
Obama racist? Then Bush is Hitler.
Premium
join:2001-02-20
Los Angeles, CA
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| Re: It DOESN'T Work... said by MrMaster :
$2.50 DVD Rental? Where do you shop? On some street corner?
Secondly, what do you think 90% of all people use? Opera? No. They use IE.
Lastly, if you aren't using WMP or Real Player, what are you using?
Due to the DRM in WMP you probably could burn it to a CD but the 24 hour limit would still apply.
I don't shop at Blockbuster or the other big chains. I rent from a local chain that beats the crap out of the national chains. It's no street corner...
I like as much security as I can get and I use Mozilla, thank you very much. IE has always been flypaper--probably always will. No browser is bug free, but I'll take the lesser of two evils. Mozilla is fast, more secure, and free of the Microsoft bull$h!t.
Since I have a Mac as well, I prefer either QuickTime or DivX. Real Player is almost as bad as M$ and the new Media Player beta can't even be uninstalled without ripping your system apart. If I'm forced to upgrade to it, I'll do without.
Regarding DRM in WMP...give it time, someone will hack the crap out of it and then the studios get to start all over again...
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Ok, so i viewed the sample clips The video quality was good, but the audio wasn't. I'm an audiophile so I think I'll pass on this one. | |
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join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
clubs:
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So I could sit on a couch and I could get nice sound and video, still not interested. Too many restrictions and concerns about speed of delivery and quality. | |
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Big Silver Hotdog
join:2002-10-08
Hillsboro, TX
| Re: I'll pass too I will also pass. I am completely unwilling to pay 3-5 dollars for a non dvd-movie only watchable on a computer screen. (Assuming you don't have a super hooked up home theatre, which sort of blows the point of this anyway)
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A) The movies were 700mb-1.4gb divx style format with at least "excellent" sound quality (even if it was only Stereo)
B) The 3-5 dollar price was a PURCHASE and not a rental, of this format of media. (if you own a VHS of Pulp fuction, you still have to buy the DVD if you want that quality/format, it should be no different here) The online distribution cuts out almost all the costs associated with traditional distribution and retailing. This pricetag would still net them a lot of money.
THEN I would buy. ONLY then. Until then, welcome to my continuing filesharing on p2p until you get your act together and give me products I will pay money for.
I am the consumer, and if you don't give me products I want you aren't getting my money. | |
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alex4life
Alex4life
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join:2001-06-22
Delta, BC | Also This will have no market in Canada, as most companies have, or will be implementing download/upload limits. | |
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TechLarry
join:2002-02-02
Fairfax, VA
| Sounds like Divx to me... This is exactly the same as the old Divx fiasco which was laughed out of existance and gave Circuit City a black eye.
People don't want 'vaporizing' media. Once I pay for something, I expect it to be there the next time I want it.
When will they ever learn ?
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join:2001-03-31
Brownsburg, IN
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| Re: Sounds like Divx to me... said by TechLarry :
When will they ever learn ?
TL
The answer to that probably reads like a warranty on your car. 3 years/36k miles, which ever comes first.
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ergibbs
To Be Free
Premium,ExMod 2001-05
join:2001-03-07
on the ocean
| said by TechLarry :
Once I pay for something, I expect it to be there the next time I want it.
So, when you buy a cheeseburger, you expect it to be there the next time you want one, too? Or, when you pay to go to the movie theater, you should be able to come back and watch it again whenever you want at no charge? This is no different than PPV movies on cable or satellite or renting a movie from the local video store.
Alexthepsycho brings up a good point, though. If more providers move toward implementing download caps, services like this could take a real beating.
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| Re: Sounds like Divx to me... First, off... what about network congestivity!? What if I order a streaming video, and it stops downloading!? Would a rebate that's EASY to obtain be instore for me? I doubt it... this will fail for more reasons than I can see birds on a wire. Good idea... but, bad timing. Perhaps in another 10 to 15 years or so, then HOPEFULLY they can go back to the drawing boards (that is if the MPAA and RIAA haven't totally phucked things up by then). | |
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skatetech
Aka Dillhole
Premium
join:2002-07-31
Louisville, KY
| Too soon... I personally think this service could possibly be a nice competitor to rental chains and VOD. Just maybe not right now. Broadband is still spreading, and just isn't currently ubiquitous enough to make major profits. But that is subject to change.
The price is right though and the quality sounds nice. I would like to try the service and report my findings, but the reason I cannot is the same reason that makes me stop and question their systems. When I head to the site all I see is a blue screen with the Movielink logo and this message:
"Thank you for your interest in Movielink. We want you to take part in the powerful Internet movie rental experience that Movielink delivers, but it is presently unavailable to users outside of the United States."
Last I checked Louisville was in the United States. I wish our government would inform me before excommunicating my city. Seriously though, this was attempted with two different IP's as well.
I also do not like the corralling of users in to the Real Player/WMP/Windows realm. That bothers me, but I understand that these are the most commonly used and see the business sense in not investing money in to other OS or players that may not offer significant financial gains.
Although I like the general idea, it just seems to need more refining before the profits come rolling in.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Re: Too soon... REAL can just act like a transport. Other codecs are usually used. | |
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some guy$
Mommy What's Irony?
join:2002-11-08
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| This is an attempt which I think they are hoping will fail. They put this site/service out when there's no market for it, and when it fails, they'll blame p2p and whine to Congress and get DRM forced down our throats. In addition to passing anti-p2p legislation to prevent damage to our "valued media companies" | |
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as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ |  why
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LAPD_IRON
join:2001-11-18
Muncie, IN
| I'll keep my DivX With the advent of DivX, there is no need for a DVD when you can get DVD quality in a full length file that will fit on a cd-r. I have 113 full length, high-resolution movies with Dolby Digital encoding in the audio and I paid nadda for any of them. I have a 21" Nokia monitor, Soundblaster Live Platinum sound card which is connected to 4 Harmon Kardon powered towers, a 10 and a 12 inch powered Infinity subs, and a cheesy Sony powered center channel. I put a people lounger sectional in my computer room and the only problem is my friends wanna watch movies when I wanna play Americas Army. There is no need to pay for something you cant keep when you can get the same thing for free and you can watch it over and over again. | |
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some guy$
Mommy What's Irony?
join:2002-11-08
Manitowoc, WI
| It's impractical! from the cnet article
"The download speed depends on the consumer's connection, but with a cable modem at a maximum of 3 megabits per second, downloads take about 17 minutes. With a digital subscriber line connection at 280kbps it would take about an hour and a half."
80% of the people don't have broadband, and of the ones that do, less than 10% have >1.5mbps connection (in the US, since it isn't available to anyone else) that would be consistent enough to get movies at a speed that would make it more convenient than driving to your local rental store.
also--why 2 GB? that is insanely large. Since almost all monitors are less than 21" (which makes me wonder why anyone would want "1 day computer only" movies)you could compress the movie some more, and what difference would it make?
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