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HotRodFoto
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Denver, CO | Re: Damn shame ya this is. It's really sad. Once again i's big business screwin the indy musician..... | |
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pianotech
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| Re: Damn shame said by HotRodFoto  :
ya this is. It's really sad. Once again i's big business screwin the indy musician.....
How can you say that? Cnet is starting their own indie musician place which launches in January '04. Have you ever stopped to think that legally, Cnet could not buy the library? The mp3.com artist agreement I signed gave mp3.com rights to the music in exchange for hosting web pages. No hosting web pages = no more rights. I'm guessing that getting permission to archive mp3.com's 5 terabytes worth of files would have been a logistic nightmare, since they would have had to get permission from each and every artist, so they decided to start from scratch.
Any artist wishing to re-upload their music to the new site (or any of the other dozens of online indie sites) is free to do so, so what's the big deal?
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pianotech
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1 edit | Re: Damn shame Plus, remember that MR SOLD mp3.com to VU, a member of the RIAA, yet now when it's good pr, he takes a stand for the indie musician.
At least Cnet is not a member of the RIAA and not part of the big 5 record cartel; so why not wait and see if it ends up being BETTER for the indie musician than VU was??
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Synon29
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Cabot, AR | Re: Damn shame I would have to agree with you here pianotech. I think we can at least give cnet a chance and see what they end up doing. | |
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| I think the main problem here is that it's just such a shame so much music will be destroyed.. There's a very good chance some percentage of it will never be heard again.
Sure, same thing happens on daily basis with music that is never recorded or written down.. but if in this case it's highly preventable.
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HotRodFoto
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| Re: Damn shame That is what I am saying. All those artists from every corner of the world. Literally. It took years to build mp3.com and is all honesty, it was the best. IUMA is ok, but it's like being on dialup when you download. Their servers are way to slow. I imagine that many of the musicians will never be heard from again that were on mp3.com Just sad to really see it go......
How can I say it's another case of big business screwin the indy musician? Who owned mp3.com? VU before they sold it. It's the musicians on their that are the most hurt. | |
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join:2004-02-05
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| Hi, Yes big business again screws the indie artists thats what he said and you will find the new sites will probably have a fee attached. I had over 200 songs on mp3.com and it took months to put everything there and send artwork ect. So if you think its so easy to re-do everything then by all means please duplicate my original site. I also ran a very large e-zine "Battle of the Babes" and several radio station's on there and all this and ALL THE DIRECTIVES FROM OTHER LINK SITES is now invalid.
Several artists stuff I promoted and put on that site are now gone forever cause my own computer crashed and my harddrive of storage was reformatted so now that they are deepsixing the archive thats that. They are destroying the archive because people's stuff their would not be forced onto their new "moneymaking" adventure and if you dig far enough you will probably find Dick Cheney is in control of all of it. 
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pianotech
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| Re: Damn shame The simple fact is that the music was not for sale. VU sold Cnet the mp3.com url and the hardware, not the content. The content ended up being sold to Trusonic, which was mp3.com's muzak division. Artists on mp3.com who had music in the Trusonic program can go to Trusonic, login with their mp3.com name/pw, and access or remove their tunes.
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treetop1000
join:2003-11-07
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| Invoke the DRM against VIVENDI!!! Apparently the music and entertainment industryhas -NO- scruples. Not surprising. I wonder if they've thought of the legal hot water they'll now find themselves in after they allow -digital original content that they did not author or create- to be erased. All it will take is just one artist to complain to the feds that his art was treated
as trash and disposed of without informing him. Just wait.
Artists rights indeed. Original content protection indeed.
Just another example of corporations that are only in it for the money.
I see a landmark FEDERAL "fair use" legal case coming squarely at those crimmy music industry execs. | |
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Theo2002
join:2002-02-28
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1 edit | Re: Invoke the DRM against VIVENDI!!! They are covered by the agreement the artists had to sign upon joining mp3.com - basically they exchanged free space, CD duplication & bandwidth for a commission. MP3.com reserved the right to terminate the agreement at any point.
I miss the good or odd stuff I'd find on mp3.com | |
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cyberthugin
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bokamba
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Falls Church, VA | Re: Derr 5 terabytes' worth? It might be hard to do that inconspicuously. | |
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Portland, OR | Re: Derr 5 tb ? piece of cake. 
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Topmounter
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Evergreen, CO | Actually i am surprised that it is only 5 TB.
With current storage technology, even with a server to run it, 5 TB is less than half a rack of disks.
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join:2001-06-20
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| I'll bet.... I really don't think much will be lost. I would think the
artists that had there tracks on MP-3 would have also posted them at other music sharing sites. Frankly some of this stuff isn't going to be missed.
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bokamba
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Falls Church, VA | I'm not denying that it's technically possible. I'm saying it might be hard for one guy to pull it off unnoticed. | |
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| Boycott Cnet and Vivendi! If this upsets you, boycott them! If you and a million others do, they'll feel it. See, we've all become a million individuals instead of a group of a million people. This is what the Politicians WANT! It's what big business WANTS! They WANT us isolated. That way we're no threat to them! HOWEVER...a GROUP of a million (or two or three) becomes a GREAT threat.
This is how unions work. Whether you believe in them or not (and quite frankly, it's not germane to this discussion), no one disputes the POWER that a big union wields. They do this by ALLYING individuals into one big GROUP! When the NRA speaks, the politicians LISTEN! Do you really think that last weeks Medicare vote in Congress would have passed without intense lobbying by the AARP?
Despite what you might have learned in American history your senior year in high school, the individual is DEAD in our new millennium. These days, the only power comes from NUMBERS! Why do you think the RIAA is picking off a few of us at a time? Because they know that by scaring individuals in this way, the rest of us will fall into line! But, if a million of us or so would say: RIAA, if you sue one of us, you sue ALL of us, and we stood together, (and boycotted them too) they'd drop this crap literally overnight! | |
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pianotech
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| Re: Boycott Cnet and Vivendi! Boycott Cnet on what grounds? Because of what? If mp3.com didn't find a buyer, the site likely would have closed down.
You should be happy that the GRANDADDY of indie music sites, the site that literally got the ball rolling, is FINALLY OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE RIAA.
God, I wish you people would learn to think past the headlines.
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1 edit | Well... I'm sure all the artists that don't have hard copies (ie CDs or on their hard drives) of their music must be really angry seeing their sample pages go down on Mp3.com
Oh yes, Valve software's publisher is Vivendi, so if you buy HL or CS, I believe you also supporting a RIAA member. Bleh, thank goodness I uninstalled HL (not cause of this, but because of Steaming pile of shit.)
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Anonuser
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Milwaukee, WI | Re: Well... Agreed, 5 terrabytes is nothing to copy, get a few United Colo servers with 3 terrabyte limites each, and just pull at top speed. Just low estimate, if pulling between 2 servers at 100megabits/second, could pull the whole database in 4 days. | |
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Mp3.com Archive Destroyed?
Just about how many