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Did it ever dawn on Comcast and SBC that if THEY were competent enough to run their network there would be no push for municipal service?
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| Re: Run little man run Don't I get a DING? 
i posted mine before i saw Go Chargers post his.
Boo! Where's my ding!
time to setup municipality based dslreports... people aren't competent to run it themselves!
Dings for everyone!
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Pittsburgh, PA | I hope this takes off. With all the attention it's getting from Comcast, it would be a hell of a blow once the network gets lit. I doubt we'd ever see this in urban areas though. I'll still be sub-1mb while farmers are video-conferencing with each other about the weather. Let's deurbanize this landmass.
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Comcast and SBC that if THEY were competent enough to run their network there would be no push for municipal service?
**** BINGO ****
We have a Winnah!
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kudos:17 | What? Shouldn't comcast be worried whether or not THEY can be competent?
Seriously... This is "oh shit, we're worried, lets send out our propoganda!"
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| Re: What? Those ads are also fairly misinformative and incorrect in many cases. That's just silly, Comcast is just levying their huge power to sway voters. It won't work, their customer service and broadband service all suck. | |
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Southfield, MI | Re: What? Yes, but how bad IS your cable TV and phone service? Mine is pretty darn good and I suspect most peoples is as well.
This is misdirection. Trying to infer that the quality is the only concern, and that cable TV and telephone quality transfers to Network quality.
Not once did they mention price of service, or that Comcast et al could provide it for less. Not once...
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Indianapolis, IN | Re: What? Actually since Comcast took over here in Illinois my service sucks. I get dropped channels on digital cable all the time. I'm putting my order in to Directv this weekend to get rid of digital cable. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Comcast should of included in the ad:
"We're going to have to raise your cable rates to pay for this ad campaign"... | |
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join:2003-01-25 | Re: What? By the way....Comcast rates went up in the Tri-Cities by $3 just 2 weeks ago. And more misleading ads are flying into everyone's mailboxes faster than people can empty them. | |
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| Re: gov't and competent??? Tacoma's Click! network seems to be near perfect and at half the damn price that comcash charges. Their local government seems to be working just fine.
It's not to say that other local municipalities will be as efficient, but it's becoming more and more commonplace for the state's local cities to start thinking about city run network broadband. | |
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Cheboygan, MI | Re: gov't and competent??? I would love to see a municiple broadband connection where I am. I'm tired of seeing my money go the bells, even if I do use a clec, they still get money from me. | |
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Palo Alto, CA | Finding good people to work for local governments' broadband programs shouldn't be too hard, what with all the people SBC and Comcast have fired. | |
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While I’m sure that the cities will use a fiber network that is separate from the broadband Internet links, it will most likely be in the same bundles and use co-located equipment. This will give them additional incentive to keep the lines and equipment working properly.
Additional incentive, if they give the users bad service, they may be voted out in the next election. Even if they only do their ‘system upgrades’ on the same schedule as SB$ and Comca$t - just before their agreement is up for renewal - they will be on a four year cycle and not one that is 10 or more years long. | |
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The cities will have one item that gives them additional incentive to keep the system working correctly that $BC and Comca$t don’t have. The city agencies will use the system to interconnect with each other. The current providers use fiber runs and copper lines separate from the neighborhood links used for broadband.
While I’m sure that the cities will use a fiber network that is separate from the broadband Internet links, it will most likely be in the same bundles and use co-located equipment. This will give them additional incentive to keep the lines and equipment working properly.
Additional incentive, if they give the users bad service, they may be voted out in the next election. Even if they only do their ‘system upgrades’ on the same schedule as SB$ and Comca$t - just before their agreement is up for renewal - they will be on a four year cycle and not one that is 10 or more years long.
well you beat me to the punch on that one! they run our lights and water here and don't do to bad a job, besides being cut out in a storm or two. i would love to see indianapolis start one up! | |
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Tacoma's Click! network seems to be near perfect and at half the damn price that comcash charges. Their local government seems to be working just fine.
It's not to say that other local municipalities will be as efficient, but it's becoming more and more commonplace for the state's local cities to start thinking about city run network broadband.
The great thing about municipal networks is that they are not worried about making a profit, making stockholders happy(which is what most corporations care about above all else), etc. As long as they make enough money to cover the operating expenses, all is hunky-dory. | |
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I live in one of these cities and I think my local dog catcher could do a better job of managing customer support than the folks I've spoken with at both Comca$t and $BC. | |
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Saint Peters, MO | this is a copy of a post i did in feb. i am reposting this for my enjoyment. i hope someone else gets a kick out of it
my municipality cannot even pick up my trash on time. with my luck billy joe bob alderman would hire his single tooth cousin to be the engineer, his wife/sister would be customer service manager, their 10 kids would be the "customer service reps", and they call center would be a double wide.
the service tech would show up in a rusted el camino. | |
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| Re: gov't and competent??? Sounds like your city workers would be in good company with some of the SBC techs I've encountered lately. You should see the condition of some of their vans too.
For those in the audience that don't know, SBC has been pushing this new PR campaign about "Pacific Bell is now just SBC". The TV spots show some guy coming up to brand new Pac Bell vans, taking the PB logo off and paining the SBC one on them. Needless to say, their real vans are pretty much in bad shape, and none of them say SBC. In fact, all the ones I've seen in the SF bay area still say "A Pacific Telesis Company" on them.
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Saint Peters, MO | Re: gov't and competent??? believe it or not....due to the labor laws in your wonderful state, it is cheaper to keep a POS tec on the payroll then to lay him off or fire him. it sucks | |
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: gov't and competent??? That must be why they gave another 9000 in Cali the boot. And it's not the labor laws, it's the CWA. | |
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Saint Peters, MO | Re: gov't and competent??? no it is the labor laws. they laid off cwa people from CA to MO. due to your states labor laws in order to avoid paying fines the company has to keep a person on the payroll almost a year and a half after the surplus is announced. for example....a group is surplused and the company has to lay some people off. a tec in MO will be off the books in about six months. in CA this process takes 18 months and you have to prove to the state that the job was not moved out of state because if it was the you have to pay fines. i am not going to pull any punches. i really do not like CA. CA is the US test bed for socialism and it is failing beautifully. | |
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| Re: gov't and competent??? Ah, if it were only that easy to explain away, but it isn't. Once again, SBC blaming the actions of the company on the government. I hope the municipal broadband, cable tv, and phone idea catches on in more states. I'm all for making the telcos and cablecos bleed real money by losing customers than listening to them cry the sky is falling because they only made $2 billion last quarter than $3 billion.
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" Once again, SBC blaming the actions of the company on the government. "
i am not defending the company for hiring a POS tec,(i would like to point out that most of these POS tecs were inherited due to the pac bell/sbc merger) i am simply pointing out that the CA creates a situation that it is cheaper to keep that tec on the payroll then fire him/her or lay him/her off. | |
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| Re: gov't and competent??? said by BBC4544:
man are you a jack ass.... you blame cwa, i point out your wrong and you come back with
" Once again, SBC blaming the actions of the company on the government. "
i am not defending the company for hiring a POS tec,(i would like to point out that most of these POS tecs were inherited due to the pac bell/sbc merger) i am simply pointing out that the CA creates a situation that it is cheaper to keep that tec on the payroll then fire him/her or lay him/her off.
Funny, I don't believe I've ever insulted you, I can if you want me to though. Saying that all the crap techs were from PB is just a lame duck. PB is not alone in the market of having crap techs, SBC is quite capable of staffing the same bad people. As to this labor law, please point to it. I was unable to find anything regarding it using the general info you've posted. And don't insult me again.
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man are you a jack ass.... you blame cwa, i point out your wrong and you come back with
" Once again, SBC blaming the actions of the company on the government. "
i am not defending the company for hiring a POS tec,(i would like to point out that most of these POS tecs were inherited due to the pac bell/sbc merger) i am simply pointing out that the CA creates a situation that it is cheaper to keep that tec on the payroll then fire him/her or lay him/her off.
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That must be why they gave another 9000 in Cali the boot. And it's not the labor laws, it's the CWA.
You should get your facts together before you talk it was 3000 in California,2100 from management and 900 from craft, most of them took and ERB (early retirement packages) and some others were relocated to different position in the company | |
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Needless to say, their real vans are pretty much in bad shape, and none of them say SBC. In fact, all the ones I've seen in the SF bay area still say "A Pacific Telesis Company" on them.
Most of the one I seen are kind of new chevy 2000 or 2001 and some of them say SBC | |
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kudos:4 |  Comcast/SBC will start price war if voters approve
My guess would be that if the voters approve this, Comcast and SBC will drop their rates sufficient to make the municipal services about equal in price. Hoping that users won't go to the trouble to switch if the price is the same.
You can see why Comcast and SBC are fighting this - they don't want to see a competitor that will force them to lower prices.
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Aurora, IL | :( Too bad I live right outside that area. Still stuck with comcast and sbc, and I can safely say there is more competence in my little finger than the both of them. | |
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Upper Marlboro, MD | I will be brining this to my local areas attention Next Town hall meeting, I suggest you all do the same. | |
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| Forward Looking Design It is easy to overlook this is a new band new overlay network delivering FTTH and FTTB.
Assuming the financials work tri-cities is able to deliver services that directly compete for somewhat less then the incumbents.
Once is installed the network has a lot of headroom. Assuming they are deploying FSAN APON each Internet drop is capable of up to 40 Mbps symmetrical with a 1GHZ CATV RF drop capable of 158 channels. This is well in excess of what is available through DSL or DOCSIS cable modems.
If either SBC or Comcast wants to compete they need to install their own FTTH network for approximately the same cost. In today's financial markets there is no way that is going to happen.
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Tacoma, WA | Re: Forward Looking Design quote:
If either SBC or Comcast wants to compete they need to install their own FTTH network for approximately the same cost. In today's financial markets there is no way that is going to happen.
The problem is that Comcast or SBC will lower their prices to meet the competition.
Now you have to convince people that the municipal network is better, all digital TV, faster data transport, better service, and so on.
The next problem is getting people to pick-up the phone and transfer their service. You may laugh, but that is more difficult than you can believe. People generally resist change!
Anyhow, I hope they build the their network. It just won't be a cake walk.
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| Re: Forward Looking Design said by TACSPEED:
The problem is that Comcast or SBC will lower their prices to meet the competition.
True. One of the nice things about having headroom is being able to compete on performance - rather then price.
said by TACSPEED:
Now you have to convince people that the municipal network is better, all digital TV, faster data transport, better service, and so on.
The next problem is getting people to pick-up the phone and transfer their service. You may laugh, but that is more difficult than you can believe. People generally resist change!
Changing CATV service should not be all that big a deal. In general I think using FTTH to deliver POTS phone service is a nonstarter, more trouble then it is worth. Folks that want to use the connection FTTH for wired telephony will likely be better served by signing up with a VoIP service like Vonage.
I'd don't know what the competitive offerings in the area are. Broadband is in very early stage of deployment. In there near term there will not be huge interest in incredibly fast Internet access since no services exist that are able to take advantage of it.
said by TACSPEED:
Anyhow, I hope they build the their network. It just won't be a cake walk.
I absolutely agree. This is a fight to the death. It only makes sense to deploy a single FTTH network in a given market. If municipal broadband is successful the Cablecos and Telcos are forced in the position of becoming a non-facilities based service provider. | |
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said by TACSPEED:
The problem is that Comcast or SBC will lower their prices to meet the competition.
True. One of the nice things about having headroom is being able to compete on performance - rather then price.
said by TACSPEED:
Now you have to convince people that the municipal network is better, all digital TV, faster data transport, better service, and so on.
The next problem is getting people to pick-up the phone and transfer their service. You may laugh, but that is more difficult than you can believe. People generally resist change!
Changing CATV service should not be all that big a deal. In general I think using FTTH to deliver POTS phone service is a nonstarter, more trouble then it is worth. Folks that want to use the connection FTTH for wired telephony will likely be better served by signing up with a VoIP service like Vonage.
I'd don't know what the competitive offerings in the area are. Broadband is in very early stage of deployment. In there near term there will not be huge interest in incredibly fast Internet access since no services exist that are able to take advantage of it.
said by TACSPEED:
Anyhow, I hope they build the their network. It just won't be a cake walk.
I absolutely agree. This is a fight to the death. It only makes sense to deploy a single FTTH network in a given market. If municipal broadband is successful the Cablecos and Telcos are forced in the position of becoming a non-facilities based service provider.
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| | | As long as this is not going to cost taxpayers any money its a great idea.
I like to know how are they going to finance this project before I jump on the bandwagon.
SBC and comcast don't need to install FTTH, all they have to do its upgrade there network to fiber, fiber its much superior to copper, time warner did it in my area and now I can get over 200 channel all on digital quality picture and sound, cable modem with speeds of 1.5
And instead of costing the city any money they profit from it with the franchise fees | |
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| | | | Re: Forward Looking Design said by herberthm1:
As long as this is not going to cost taxpayers any money its a great idea.
I like to know how are they going to finance this project before I jump on the bandwagon.
SBC and comcast don't need to install FTTH, all they have to do its upgrade there network to fiber, fiber its much superior to copper, time warner did it in my area and now I can get over 200 channel all on digital quality picture and sound, cable modem with speeds of 1.5
And instead of costing the city any money they profit from it with the franchise fees
In Tacoma's case with CLICK! the lines neccesary were being/to be laid anyways to upgrade their pwer/electrics to remote reading capability,so not much had to be added or changed to offer broadband to begin with.What costs were/are incurred are covered by the monthly charge wich doesn't incorporate a profit margin.If any profits incur they are steered towards the utility and NOT some fata$$ corporate schmucks deep pockets!
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| The tri-cities work well and work well together. Having been a resident of the tri-cities since 1979, and have done work for the city of Geneva, I can say this:
The three cities work pretty well together.
The fire, police and ambulance services are all dispatched from tri-com, which is a central dispatch place for all 3 cities. This has been working well for longer than I have lived in the area. Here in Geneva our electrical service is city-operated (no ComEd here) and has always been reliable, and is one of the lowest priced electrical services in the state. Also true for water and sewer. There is even talk about building our own electricity generating plant (but this is still just talk). The track record for city services here is proven (at least by me). I see absolutely no reason why the broadband project can't work every bit as well.
On the other hand, hardly a month goes by when I don't need to call Comcast about a cable TV outage. It can get very irritating. The only positive about this is that they have always given me credit for the outage day. But I would rather pay a whole bill and have a whole month's worth of proper cable TV.
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| | | Re: got a quarter? said by beannet6:
I dunno, I think if you flipped a coin, you could establish who, whether the incumbent or the govt, is more competent. I mean, they are both monopolies....
As I predicted a while back already more and more cities/municipalities will jump on the broadband bandwagon and start offering their citizens and local businesses a decent service.
It's time to chop the greedy corporate monopoly's legs off.
And they are not both monopolies!
In Tacoma you still have the choice of wich service you want.Of course you'd be downright stupid to opt for Comcast,because you can get CLICK! for almost 1/2 the price and higher DL speeds to top it !
Comcast is the monopoly in most places(like where I live,but not for much longer)
Government(city,municipality) run broadband couldn't be considered a monopoly anyways even they were the only offering for a given area,because they are a NON-profit outfit.
Not driven by corporate greed and fat business schmucks trying to fill their pockets with our $$$.
The prices CLICK! of Tacoma charges is merely coverage for their incurred costs for this service.No profit margin as far as I know.
And if anybody out there wants to argue that then answer this first.
If they were making a profit on their service,wich they charge a whopping $29 USD for, and offering faster speeds than i.e. Comcast,who charges $57 USD, then what's wrong with this pricing picture here?
And don't start with this upgrades & expansions crap,because CLICK! is doing all that too! In fact I'm informed they will be invading my neighborhood soon.
I'm merely blocks away from their current service area limits and I've envied those that have CLICK! from day 1 of the ATTBI takeover from the glorious @HOME days.You see ATTBI has been total crap from day 1 until now.
They've raised rates and chopped our services to pieces(see my review of ATTBI)
If it were still @HOME-like service as it was a couple years back I'd still be a happy camper and could justify paying almost twice as much,because back then I got twice the speeds of CLICK! and even more.
I've been nothing but screwed dry by AT&TBullsh*tInternet & Comcrap continues on that same path.
Time to show them my tallest fingers!
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Dalhousie, NB | Perks with the Work...
There are several advantages inherent in having your municipality own and operate your broadband infrastructure; some which might not be immediately obvious to a customer, or to a network administrator hired to run said system. As a member of both groups, here are a few tidbits which make the job and the service just that much sweeter:
Costs, fees, expenditures, and services are guided by City Council, who ultimately answer to the citizens. Really, would a few dozen concerned customers sway a corporate exec's decision about a fee increase or service improvements?
Costs, fees, expenditures and services are of public record, and available for scrutiny by anybody who requests them via proper channels. For the administrator, there's no need to sugar coat certain decisions, nor be vague in answering queries about capacity or pricing. Want to know how many subscribers are on your node? Wondering if there's any skimping on backbone capacity? Why did we outsource netnews? Just ask, or go through the City Clerk to get the required info. As an administrator who came from Big Corp, Inc, answering such questions honestly without rebuke is very refreshing. Tastes great, less slimy.
Explosive growth, the downfall of many a network, is usually not a factor. You can count on your municipal utility to not over-extend its resources, say by suddenly backhauling half the state's bandwidth through your local infrastructure as a cost-cutting or time-to-market smoove move. Try doing a 2 year budget for a commercial ISP, having no idea what kind of expansion might occur.
If you were an admin in the pre-commercial days, you might fondly recall the 'barter' system, trading resources for skills, and otherwise not being driven by the almighty dollar.
While it may not be every admin's idea of fun, you can still take pride in the fact that it'd be a frosty friday in heck before the network architect of Big Corp. Inc's backbone would personally make a housecall to diagnose end-to-end exactly why that particular attachment just won't go through.
One word: Pension.
And finally... While gov't bureaucracy can be frightening, on the municipal level, it's nowhere near the lumbering behemoth of Big Corp, Inc.
To verify a comment previously made in this thread: San Bruno indeed uses cable and fiber infrastructure to interconnect all offices and public buildings, water pumps, firestations and phone systems at a significant cost savings.
For more information on how and why our cable system was built and maintained as a municipal entity, see our web sites at »www.ci.sanbruno.ca.us and »www.sanbrunocable.com,
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Nananananananana, nananananana, nananananana, nananananana.
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| i'll get to see it second hand.. we have a municipal water/power company building a system across the river... they started out fighting SNET, and then SBC about building a fiber optic network. now they are fighting comcast for the right to cable. it's been a long drawn out fight.
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| | This rocks :) Nothing like the fear of someone else killing the cash cow to get a fire lit under a big wigs ass. Seems to me its about time a municipal system got tired of all the infighting and said 'Screw it! We'll do it!' I wish the heck they would do that here in Tucson as well. With 4 Hospitals, 1 Trauma center, 1 major University with 50,000 plus students and 2 community colleges, numerous high tech industries (Hughes-Raytheon, Micro$oft Tech Support, Intuit, Imation, etc) AND being one of the fastest growing suburban populations in the country, there doesn't seem to be any reason why they couldn't do it. Between the fools at Qwest and the fools at Cox constantly bickering over who is going to open whos lines to who, its a nothing more than a major pain in the ass for those of us who live here. For years all we have heard about is 'this on demand', 'that on demand' and 'just around the corner' How can they even dare say now that they didn't know how much this was going to expand? Simple fact is, they thought they could half ass it and make due while providing what they thought people would be happy with instead of doing some major overhauling and investing in the future, and now, in one market at least, they have found its come back to bite them in the butt. Go tri-cities people I wish you luck in your venture!
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| | | Re: This rocks :) Man-o-man! Are we getting shelled in the Tri-Cities! Misleading ads are everywhere! Hey TacSpeed....Comcast says in one handout Click! is a failure! Not true is it?! Aren't they breaking even? As a matter of fact they say there are a lot of municipal failures out there...that we know aren't! We have verified all claims. Out and out lies are being handed out and sent around.
And hey! Billy Ray! Did you know Glasgow,KY is in trouble too? According to Comcast in the Tri-Cities (in their scare literature they are handing out).....they say quote "Glasgow, KY had to issue revenue bonds on three occasions in order to finance the cable system because it has consistently lost money since it began ownership in the early 1990's." Does that make you mad?! I don't think this is the case.
The vote is April 1 and I have a feeling this is going to get even more nasty. The citizen support group, can be found at www.tricitybroadband.com . If anyone wants to see how nasty SBC and Comcast can get while fighting for their monopolies to continue, you have only to check out the citizen site and read the newspaper links and message boards.
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Portland, OR |  Rats that talk?
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