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 TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
2 edits | Not only NO! But HELL NO!!!!! 
Why should I build and maintain a good system so some poop for brains down the street can use it download pedi-porn and donkey shows.  | |
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|  gaviperMy Best Friend Is A Boxer
join:2000-09-04
Carrollton, GA | Re: Not only NO! Ditto! | |
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|  gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA | What if it was for your mother? Or your friend lives down the street ... | |
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| |  DataDocMy avatar looks like me, if I was 2D.Premium
join:2000-05-14
Greenville, NC | Re: Not only NO! I'll buy a connection for my mother. Screw the free-loaders. | |
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|  swhx7Premium
join:2006-07-23
Elbonia | You clearly haven't read the technical paper (Pdf linked from the article). It proposes an on-the-fly tunnel from the user to the user's home connection, so the user - not the host of the tunnel - would be held responsible for any illegal activity. | |
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 Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
join:2002-03-03
USA
kudos:4
1 edit |  This idea dies because the ISPs won't allow it
This is just another one of these "power to the people" moronic ideas that is based on ripping off the ISPs. | |
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| | | Re: This idea dies because the ISPs won't allow it I think this is rediculous. It's bad enough comcast is slow, but then the gov wants us to free out ap's so that some shmuck can make my internet go slower than it already is? The only way I would do it is if the government is paying ME at least $50/mo to open my node. As it is comcast in this area is 75/mo for 8mbit, if other people use the internet more than I do, they should pay part of my internet bill too. I know after like 5 guys get on my node I'll never be able to play online and be utilizing the connection less. | |
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| | davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
kudos:7 Reviews:
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| Re: This idea dies because the ISPs won't allow it said by mfallz :
but then the gov wants us to free out ap's so that some shmuck can make my internet go slower than it already is? Newsflash - MIT and Cambridge University are not branches of "the government". | |
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| | |  dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
2 edits | Re: This idea dies because the ISPs won't allow it said by dave:Newsflash - MIT and Cambridge University are not branches of "the government". "Municipal Wi-Fi Hitches Ride on Your Computer"
"Would you be willing to let the city access your broadband connection in order to build out municipal Wi-Fi?"
Ok dave, what does "Municipal" mean again? 
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| | | | davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
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1 edit | Re: This idea dies because the ISPs won't allow it Sure, but the government is not asking anything. Some researchers are suggesting that government should ask.
Thus it's not "the govt wants" but "some researchers want the government to want".
Easy, really, this English stuff (once you've mastered spelling and punctuation). | |
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| | | | | dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
4 edits | Re: This idea dies because the ISPs won't allow it LMAO!
Re-read the article please, Thanks!
The whole concept is to have/let a municipality use your/my/our home connections to bolster a Muni-Fi.
Key word here dave - Municipal.
Main Entry: 1mu·nic·i·pal
Pronunciation: \myu̇-ˈni-s(ə pəl also myə-, mə-, -ˈni-sə-bəl, ÷ˌmyü-nə-ˈsi-pəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin municipalis of a municipality, from municip-, municeps inhabitant of a municipality, from munus duty, service + capere to take — more at mean, heave
Date: circa 1540
1: of or relating to the internal affairs of a major political unit (as a nation)
2 a: of, relating to, or characteristic of a municipality b: having local self-government
Yeah, English is rather easy - for some of us... | |
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| | | | | |  jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Re: This idea dies because the ISPs won't allow it Okay, now that you have mastered dictionary lookups, let's move on to reading comprehension. (I'll pause here while you look up the big word...)
Here's what mfallz, our anonymous Comcastic genius said:
quote:
I think this is rediculous. It's bad enough comcast is slow, but then the gov wants us to free out ap's so that some shmuck can make my internet go slower than it already is?
The astute dave pointed out that this entire idea is being floated by researchers at universities, NOT by any government entity. The MIT guys think that governments should try to set up something like this; no one from the government is proposing this, at least as far as the article is concerned.
Let us know when you're caught up with the rest of the class, and feel free to edit your post so you don't look quite so silly. | |
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| | | | | | | dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
4 edits | Re: This idea dies because the ISPs won't allow it Right, but *IF* this were to come into fruition, who will be the entity wanting to use our connection?
Can you say Local Government?
Reading is one part of English, comprehension is another, correct.
I was able to gather that the MIT guys want the local government(s) to use *our* connection for a Municipal WiFi project or projects.
Our anon friend, like most other people, thinks that this is a bad idea.
Answer this:
"Would you be willing to let the city access your broadband connection in order to build out municipal Wi-Fi?"
Government? Wanting to use my connection? So any moron can abuse the network?
What part of Hell No don't you understand?
Both of you should re-re-read the article *AND* every post following it.
The overwhelming consensus is negative(the opposite of positive) to having any Municipal (government, local) access to our home connections.
YMMV.
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 DC DSLThere's a reason I'm Command.Premium
join:2000-07-30
Washington, DC
kudos:2
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| Just Fawgeddabowdit. First off, they'd have to get the broadband providers to change their TOS since they all have wording to to the effect of "service only is for you and others who share your premises."
Second, I would not be willing to have my bandwidth used by others as long as I would be the one associated with the IP and the first stop for any charges of civil or criminal abuse. The last thing I would want is the cops showing up on my door for piracy or something worse like kiddie porn having gone through my connection. State and federal laws would have to be rewritten to indemnify and hold harmless the parties who allowed their WAP to be used by unknown parties. There's practicallly no chance of that ever happening. | |
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|  elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: Just Fawgeddabowdit. what he said
also they would have to play my bill too | |
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| rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | There's another story in today's DSL Reports headlines about the Dems wanting to make universities responsible for policing music and video piracy. And you expect this same crowd would be willing to hold you harmless? Nope. They would expect you to make sure no illegal activity was conducted on your connection.
In such a network, what if the file trading software got smart enough to divide bits and pieces of the packets so that no one connection passed anything illegal? Only after reassembled on the target machine is the content illegal. Somehow I guess this doesn't work out too well. They would probably just look at the connection and by association establish guilt. Aren't these civil cases where the burden of proof is practically non existent?
This like when Iraq bought all kinds of products that individually were not banned or considered illegal. I forget the story but it was something about building massive cannons that could deliver shells up to several hundred miles away. They obtained various machined parts on the international market because there was nothing conspicuous about buying long, machined pipes. | |
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 nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | Lemme Get This Straight... * I volunteer my bandwidth
* I put myself on the hook to keep my node available (essentially, I become my neighbors' bitch).
And, then, in the end, because I've now made my network part of a government network, I have to worry about whether what I chose to run on that network satisfies the public interest?
no thanks.
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| | | Re: Lemme Get This Straight... No, I don't think so - not as long as I'm paying the bill.
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gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
2 edits | You bet Since business cant make a dime off this, it gets shot down every time.
It would work well for normal users who dont need all the extra they are currently paying for (power users, aka bandwidth hogs.)
You wouldnt be hitching the ride on your main computer, just the router.
Would be good for the universitys since they are usually thier own ISP.
My isp doesnt allow it unless you get written permission, I know they have some coffee shops in town covered. | |
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 Mactronel Camino RealPremium
join:2001-12-16
CM94sv | Nope This is a Non starter... | |
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1 edit | Anyone read their TOS? Isn't it against most ISP's TOS to redistribute the service??
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|  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Anyone read their TOS? Yup... and as much as I wouldn't mind having a distributed/shared network, I'm not willing to open up my home's DSL/HSI to others. I'd have to run my own DMZ just to keep wifi hackers out. Items such as T-Mobile Wifi or AT&T Wifi are cheap enough, and if I _really_ wanted remote access, I'd be looking into UMTS/HSDPA or CDMA/EVDO.
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 dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | City And how much of my bill does the city pay monthly?
thanks but no thanks!
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MartyT
join:2004-09-03
Georgetown, SC | FON does it with BT and TWC British Telecom and Time Warner have agreed to this type of sharing.
Both have agreements with Fon.
Both entities have their reasons to promote sharing of your bandwidth. I'm not sure what they are, but I suspect they are related to wireless VOIP. Read the following.
»www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/···turns-uk
You can actually be compensated by FON for sharing your connection, but wifi users do pay for the use of your bandwidth. | |
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 newviewEx .. Ex .. ExactlyPremium
join:2001-10-01
Parsonsburg, MD
kudos:1 | The question was . . . quote:
Would you be willing to let the city access your broadband connection in order to build out municipal Wi-Fi?
You're kidding, right? | |
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 gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
kudos:2
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| Yes Yes YES I'd do it, if they provided a separate cable modem, and all the bandwidth available didn't affect my connection at all, and I didn't have to pay any of the cost of the bandwidth.
More or less, I would just provide a spot for them to put a node, and for a small break on my monthly bill, I'd pay for the power, if they provided a ups for the equipment.
I don't see this being a big deal.
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4 edits | Ya right... So who would an ISP like comcast send the disconnect notice to for exceeding their bandwidth cap? Somehow I don't think it will be the guy down the street attached to your AP that constantly downloads software from some distro or plays streaming videos 24/7.
Just how fun will a Satellite internet connection shared over an AP like this be with the resulting 24/7 FAP penalty?
And who will the RIAA sue when your IP is traced as the source of copyright infringement? Who pays for the resulting time and legal fees involved to argue your third party activity defense in a civil court?
Perhaps these "University researchers" should think about going back to school, as graduate level is not where dumb ideas like this typically spew from. | |
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| | Har hee har har! Municipal? As in City?
Har hee har har.
Just go ask your friendly municipal corporation where your property lines are. They don't know. They keep the paperwork but can't even answer a fundamental question about one of your most important assets. Why would you entrust them with a network they have no clue about?
Municipal Motto: "Act with impunity, defend with immunity..." | |
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jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL Reviews:
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| Surprising... I figured the socialist/communist nature of this idea would make it a hit around here. Aren't we all about share and share alike, and sticking it to those evil corporations?
Wonder what we'd find if we cross reference posters in this thread with what they had to say in defense of wide open Bittorrent pipes.... | |
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| dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
1 edit | Re: Surprising... said by jester121:I figured the socialist/communist nature of this idea would make it a hit around here. Aren't we all about share and share alike, and sticking it to those evil corporations? Wonder what we'd find if we cross reference posters in this thread with what they had to say in defense of wide open Bittorrent pipes.... Me? Using my connection as I see fit? Damn right!
Some asshat that I have never seen before in my life downloading kiddie porn on my connection? Fuck that!
Aside from TOS and AUP violations, this whole concept is loopy(that means stupid).
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| Wifi usage on MY home net? No way.... Weren't the ISP's all up in arms a few years ago because people were connecting multiple computers to their home routers? And wasn't there talk about ways they could detect how many computers were connected and then charge people more for having multiple computers connected? I believe I read a big stink about it right here. There was even an article about how some Comcast engineer or some engineer somewhere had figured it out and notes were actually published here!
Anyway... NO! how would I be able to control who was downloading what? What if someone was download a zillion MP3's on Limewire? What if my "alloted" bandwidth gets exceeded? Who's going to pay my $1200 ISP bill? What if someone hijacks my computer network and sends a billion viagra or rolex watch spam emails?
Anyway... NO! NO! | |
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| | When will the muni projects learn. They are never going to learn are they? They want to turn WiFi into a Sprint/Verizon Card type alternative.
Why don't they stop and take a look at how wISPs do this? The AP to pc model won't work, but the AP to a CPE radio that is then connected to the End Users network will work. | |
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 HRMGod Bless AmericaPremium,MVM
join:2002-02-03
Darien, CT
kudos:1
1 edit | location and electricity should be the only thing provided.. I think the only way this would work is to have a network component located at the persons location, but existing before their network itself.
What I mean is where the fiber (cable whatever) comes into the building, have a transmitter that is located there, but not part of the service (or problem) for the customer.
After this point, the normal equipment and net is there.
This way the company is gaining the location (which the customer can grant for a consideration of sorts, discount or upgrade) but there is no risk or problems. The only thing provided would be location and electricity which would be somehow considered an advantage to the paying customer.
This way there is no security issue (any more than normal issues) and the company now has a transmitter in a new part of town. | |
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