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Murdoch: DirecTV a 'Turd Bird'
May consider selling unit to Liberty Media
by Karl Bode Friday 15-Sep-2006 tags: satellite · competition · business
Bloomberg reports that Rupert Murdoch may sell his 38% stake in DirecTV to Liberty Media in exchange for Liberty Media's 16% stake in News Corp. Meanwhile Variety reports that Murdoch called the unit "a turd bird" after hearing that FCC chief Kevin Martin still wouldn't look favorably upon a merger between DirecTV and smaller competitor Echostar. DirecTV recently failed to nab any spectrum at the FCC AWS auction. Murdoch just months ago hinted at a billion dollar broadband plan the company was considering.

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Gwailo

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"Turd Bird?"

Sometimes I think Mr. Murdoch is the modern equivalent to Ted Turner. Both are "red necks" and both were a bit ahead of their time. At least Mr. Murdoch didn't marry Jane Fonda.

kamm

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said by Gwailo:

Sometimes I think Mr. Murdoch is the modern equivalent to Ted Turner. Both are "red necks" and both were a bit ahead of their time. At least Mr. Murdoch didn't marry Jane Fonda.
Yeah, he did much worse: he introduced the sheer political lies &manipulations via so-called "news" programs.

Gwailo

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Yeah, he did much worse: he introduced the sheer political lies & manipulations via so-called "news" programs.
Whoa ... you're implying Ted's CNN doesn't do the same thing with the opposite twist? Let them both report and let us decide. We're d--- lucky we have enough [current] press freedom to at least get two sides. Let us both hope we don't lose that because any time that Willie Bill wants to block a movie on ABC ... it's getting "scary," regardless if it was historically correct or not.

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you write......
"regardless if it was historically correct or not."a willingness to accept lies as an acceptable portrayal of historical times in our countries history is pathetic don't you think? even making a statement like that is frightening. you're saying as long as it suits my side of the argument it's fine because it is good entertainment and it's fun to see the other side trashed on tv.. how many people will watch something like that and believe it. you sir sum up what is wrong with this country. "your" side has this us against them mentality as if this were a football game. the blaming of one political party over the other is exactly the problem .... remember the constitution? "We the People?" "We"...... their lies hurt your side as much as the other. they can put out as much propaganda as they wish but not many people are buying it anymore. 37% approval rating. after all 9/11 happened on George Bush's watch, one month after he ignored a report from the CIA titled "Bin Laden determined to attack the USA" plus how they screwed up Katrina..... go ahead and flame me. I'm for America not one party and frankly I'm a bit tired of being lied to by the party that controls all 3 branches of government plus I'm tired of getting screwed.

Gwailo

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Just the facts, mam....
I'm not going to flame you!
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If more Americans were willing to take the time to learn what's truly happening around them rather than being spoon-fed half-truths and propaganda, we wouldn't be suffering under an administration that has just this week made a determined, public effort to strike the prohibition against "offenses to personal dignity" from our methods of treatment for prisoners. It is disgusting that this is actually being debated in the United States of America. Worse yet that the right-wing crowd doesn't see anything wrong with that. They accuse the left of "blaming America first" while the righties in power whittle away our Constitutional rights, without care. Does that make them feel safer? Are they safer today than last year, two years ago, or five? No. But our country edges closer to disgrace.

As for Fox "News" ratings, they are no more impressive than the number of Roman citizens that would go to the Colloseum to watch Christians tortured. Ol' Rupert is laughing all the way to the bank, as his "news" network producers wait for the next dead blonde white girl and Old Glory waves in the lower corner of the TV screen. And the fools who buy their brand of propaganda think they're getting the straight scoop because Bill O'Reilly, whose father never loved him, can and does shout down his guests. Welcome to American entertainment, 2006.
tdar

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said by frankie9999:

If more Americans were willing to take the time to learn what's truly happening around them rather than being spoon-fed half-truths and propaganda, we wouldn't be suffering under an administration that has just this week made a determined, public effort to strike the prohibition against "offenses to personal dignity" from our methods of treatment for prisoners. It is disgusting that this is actually being debated in the United States of America. Worse yet that the right-wing crowd doesn't see anything wrong with that. They accuse the left of "blaming America first" while the righties in power whittle away our Constitutional rights, without care. Does that make them feel safer? Are they safer today than last year, two years ago, or five? No. But our country edges closer to disgrace.

What we should be wondeing is if our leaders think it's OK to remove the rights of persons we have captured to dignity in treatment, how long will it be before they deside that they should do it to us......
ElJay

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We get two sides on TV news? Really? Where please can I get the left side on TV besides two comedy shows and Keith Olbermann?

rachelsfx

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Pensacola, FL
Funny, CNN is the Clinton News Network even according to Democratic Strategists. Ted also married Jane "Treason" Fonda, and Ted has a perverse hatred for anything Christian. I thought it was funny Ted lost billions in the AOL mess.

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said by rachelsfx:

Funny, CNN is the Clinton News Network even according to Democratic Strategists. Ted also married Jane "Treason" Fonda, and Ted has a perverse hatred for anything Christian. I thought it was funny Ted lost billions in the AOL mess.
Around here we call CNN the Communist News Network
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said by Transmaster:

Around here we call CNN the Communist News Network
I have got to get more creative... I've just been calling it crap
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Eat your heart out CNN, don't you wish you had the viewer ratings these three have

Here have some heart burn Kamm

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said by Transmaster:

Eat your heart out CNN Here have some heart burn Kamm
LOL People still watch CNN?
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Zoly

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Yes, we are watching CNN!!! And loving it. And we love MSNBC too. Are there any other news networks in the US?

Nope. Trying to find something else withing the last 10 years with no results. Just don't tel me that FOXNEWS is a news channel.

And you know why they have such high rating? Cause all Christian fascists (they have noting in common with Christianity) and right-wing zealots are watching ITS.

And we have lots of those individuals now as there is a favorable condition for them created by Bushists.

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LOL Don't tell me that CNN is a great and almighty moral presence either. One of CNN's hosts, Nancy Grace, relentlessly hammered some woman who's baby had disappeared and not long after the woman committed suicide.

»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14823398/

Sure, FOX NEWS has plenty of opinionated hosts...but CNN has just as much biased opinions flying around as well.

You want to figure out the truth in the news? Listen to a news story reported by each respectfully then put it together because neither side of news network politics will offer the unbiased truth...
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kamm

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said by cwy1980:

LOL Don't tell me that CNN is a great and almighty moral presence either. One of CNN's hosts, Nancy Grace, relentlessly hammered some woman who's baby had disappeared and not long after the woman committed suicide.

»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14823398/

Sure, FOX NEWS has plenty of opinionated hosts...but CNN has just as much biased opinions flying around as well.

You want to figure out the truth in the news? Listen to a news story reported by each respectfully then put it together because neither side of news network politics will offer the unbiased truth...
There's nothing like that, I agree. However there's a huge difference between CNN or MSNBC and FauxNews and I'm sure you know this.

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said by kamm:

FauxNews
You made my millenium! Now THAT's creative! ROFLOL!!!!!
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said by cwy1980:

LOL Don't tell me that CNN is a great and almighty moral presence either. One of CNN's hosts, Nancy Grace, relentlessly hammered some woman who's baby had disappeared and not long after the woman committed suicide.

Did you know that the woman she "bullied" into committing suicide tried to sell her baby's car seat 3 days BEFORE he disappeared?

»www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews···liet.htm

Did you see the interview? Didn't seem very upset, or able to keep her story straight. The only sin Nancy Grace committed is doing this on CNN and not Fox, a shill and bully pulpit for the right wing moral "majority".

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Oh boy did you miss my point...

My point is none of the supposedly unbiased news networks deserve to be considered a fair and unbiased source of news information.

I think I learn more from the Daily Show and the Colbert Report about current events than I do from CNN Headline News or and Fox or network evening news broadcast...
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FoxNews is really one of the only reliable outlets in American media. It's funny how the commies label everything that doesn't give the party line propaganda. Really if you watch CNN and don' see their obvious bias, lies,and the way they cater to the lowest common denominator you really are an idiot.
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said by Transmaster:

Eat your heart out CNN, don't you wish you had the viewer ratings these three have
Yeah, never underestimated the power of people unwilling or unable to think for theselves lapping it up from people telling them how to think all the while tossing fact to the wind... All pundits need to be dropped in the ocean... Except maybe for Colbert since he makes fun of all them.

As the punchline of the joke goes... It a would be "a good start."
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said by bmn:

Yeah, never underestimated the power of people unwilling or unable to think for theselves lapping it up from people telling them how to think all the while tossing fact to the wind...
Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie? How does it measure up against other news outlets when it comes to getting caught in a major news-related scandal (i.e., something akin to the New York Times and the Jayson Blair scandal, CBS and the fake memos scandal, etc.)

It seems all of FOX News' detractors who claim that their content is somehow "fake" often don't realize that compared to other "news" sources, their record is actually pretty clean.
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Fox News didn't suck up to Saddam in Baghdad like CNN did, remember CNN let the goons at the Iraqi Ministry of Information censor their stories so they would not get kicked out of the country, and they failed to tell anybody listening about it.
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said by pnh102:

Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie?
Depends... Most of the lying on Fox comes from their commentary shows like O'Reilly, Hannity and others where its all about opinion and politics.

How does it measure up against other news outlets when it comes to getting caught in a major news-related scandal (i.e., something akin to the New York Times and the Jayson Blair scandal, CBS and the fake memos scandal, etc.)
Most of the lying is the distortion or selective presentation of fact rather than an outright lie reported as news... Fox apparently knows that outright lies will get you slapped down, but if you present the news with your agenda subtlety enough, you don't need to lie.

It seems all of FOX News' detractors who claim that their content is somehow "fake" often don't realize that compared to other "news" sources, their record is actually pretty clean.
When it comes to outright lies, yes. But Fox doesn't need to lie outright. It has its "commentators" of the Hannity and O'Reily ilk to do it for them.

Why a news channel needs such programming is beside me because political hacks like Hannity, O'Reilly, Franken, etc. etc. have NO NEWS VALUE. So, why put them on a NEWS channel ?

Fact is, the state of news media in America is declining... Fox is as big of a problem as the others.

There's a reason news is now called news-entertainment. Its not longer about the reporting of the day's FACTS, its about political and personal agendas and the deliberate distortion and selective introduction of fact, or in some cases, out right lies, to further an agenda while keeping the people glue to their television through the use of sensationalism.

Its odd how the media in American seems to resemble the Politbureau more and more...
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said by bmn:

Depends... Most of the lying on Fox comes from their commentary shows like O'Reilly, Hannity and others where its all about opinion and politics.
If you look at someone like Bill O'Reilly, the most trouble he's been in was not due to his lying in his presentation, but rather due to sexually herassing a female coworker. Again, that's not lying.

As for the other commentators, where have any of them been involved in a scandal such as the ones I mentioned with the NYT, CBS (and CNN, as was mentioned in another post)? I guarantee that if any FOX News contributor was caught in such a lie, it would still be the lead story on every other network even to this day.
said by bmn:

Most of the lying is the distortion or selective presentation of fact rather than an outright lie reported as news... Fox apparently knows that outright lies will get you slapped down, but if you present the news with your agenda subtlety enough, you don't need to lie.
So then they are not lying.
said by bmn:

Why a news channel needs such programming is beside me because political hacks like Hannity, O'Reilly, Franken, etc. etc. have NO NEWS VALUE. So, why put them on a NEWS channel ?
This practice is not exclusive to FOX News. CNN and MSNBC also have their fair share of opinionated commentators. While they may not be charged with presenting the news per se, there is obviously a value in having opinionated commentary (when it is presented as such).
said by bmn:

Fact is, the state of news media in America is declining... Fox is as big of a problem as the others.
Again though, of all the major news outlets, FOX News has avoided falling into the "Fake News" traps that have ensnared other news organizations. I would dare say that the "decline" of other news outlets is due moreso to the poor quality of the product (i.e., a lack of even basic fact checking) than anything else.
said by bmn:

There's a reason news is now called news-entertainment. Its not longer about the reporting of the day's FACTS, its about political and personal agendas and the deliberate distortion and selective introduction of fact, or in some cases, out right lies, to further an agenda while keeping the people glue to their television through the use of sensationalism.
I'm assuming that this is a commentary on other media outlets including FOX News. The only problem with this assertion is that it is all the news organizations which have been caught in outright lies that are having a ratings problem. FOX News doesn't fall into this category.
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said by pnh102:

If you look at someone like Bill O'Reilly, the most trouble he's been in was not due to his lying in his presentation, but rather due to sexually herassing a female coworker. Again, that's not lying.
Getting caught sleeping with a female co-worker is not lying... He, however, does lie when he misrepresents the facts of the day and distorts. For anyone to say that O'Reilly (or any of the others for that matter) does not lie is to be naive at best and complicate at worst.

As for the other commentators, where have any of them been involved in a scandal such as the ones I mentioned with the NYT, CBS (and CNN, as was mentioned in another post)?
Lying, distortion and misrepresentation is still lying, distortion or misrepresentation, regardless of the size of it.

said by bmn:

Most of the lying is the distortion or selective presentation of fact rather than an outright lie reported as news... Fox apparently knows that outright lies will get you slapped down, but if you present the news with your agenda subtlety enough, you don't need to lie.
So then they are not lying.
Its still lying, just not in the same sense as crafting a fake article. There are many ways to lie and Fox does it the best way, not doing outright but through subtle means.

Again though, of all the major news outlets, FOX News has avoided falling into the "Fake News" traps that have ensnared other news organizations.
Because Fox knows its better to make a 1000 distortions over a period of time instead of one large Fake story that you can get hung for eventually.

I would dare say that the "decline" of other news outlets is due moreso to the poor quality of the product (i.e., a lack of even basic fact checking) than anything else.
Its more of an audience issue than anything... The news has to placate to the LCD. You can't expect high quality news when a majority of the audience can't digest it.

said by bmn:

There's a reason news is now called news-entertainment. Its not longer about the reporting of the day's FACTS, its about political and personal agendas and the deliberate distortion and selective introduction of fact, or in some cases, out right lies, to further an agenda while keeping the people glue to their television through the use of sensationalism.
I'm assuming that this is a commentary on other media outlets including FOX News. The only problem with this assertion is that it is all the news organizations which have been caught in outright lies that are having a ratings problem. FOX News doesn't fall into this category.
Oh no... That statement applies to ALL of the major news sources, fake news scandals or not. Fox news is as guilty of being a news-entertainment outlet as all the others. They use the same sensationalist methods as the others out there. One only needed to watch during the Michael Jackson, Kolbe Bryant and Scott Peterson bullshit to see it.

Fact is that there is no longer a unbiased news source left anymore that gives its audience the facts to make a decision on their own anymore. Unbiased news is dead.
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said by pnh102:

I'm assuming that this is a commentary on other media outlets including FOX News. The only problem with this assertion is that it is all the news organizations which have been caught in outright lies that are having a ratings problem. FOX News doesn't fall into this category.
So, using this logic, FNC's 24% downturn in ratings is because they've been caught lying. Seems about right. Meanwhile, other networks have seen an increase in viewership. Hmmm....

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said by JakCrow:

So, using this logic, FNC's 24% downturn in ratings is because they've been caught lying. Seems about right. Meanwhile, other networks have seen an increase in viewership. Hmmm....
Ok, I will type this very, very slowly so you understand it:

When

has

FOX

News

Been

Caught

Lying

In a NEWS piece?

Now, just so you don't make the same mistake again, someone stating an opinion, in the context of an opinion show, even if it is something with which you may not agree, is NOT lying about NEWS. His opinion may be wrong, but since its not NEWS, it doesn't count as lying during NEWS.
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said by pnh102:

said by JakCrow:

So, using this logic, FNC's 24% downturn in ratings is because they've been caught lying. Seems about right. Meanwhile, other networks have seen an increase in viewership. Hmmm....
Ok, I will type this very, very slowly so you understand it:

When

has

FOX

News

Been

Caught

Lying

In a NEWS piece?
What? We're simply using your logic. FNC's ratings have sunk 24%, so it must be because they've been lying.

Now, just so you don't make the same mistake again, someone stating an opinion, in the context of an opinion show, even if it is something with which you may not agree, is NOT lying about NEWS. His opinion may be wrong, but since its not NEWS, it doesn't count as lying during NEWS.
You sure like to put words in other peoples' mouths. It's a very lame tactic.

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So they're not lying in news pieces then. Case Closed.
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said by pnh102:

So they're not lying in news pieces then. Case Closed.
Using your logic of sagging ratings, they are.

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said by pnh102:

said by bmn:

Yeah, never underestimated the power of people unwilling or unable to think for theselves lapping it up from people telling them how to think all the while tossing fact to the wind...
Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie? .
Ummm numerous times?

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said by kamm:

Ummm numerous times?
Looks like we have another contestant!

Ok, I'll accept your premise. Now all you have to do to convince me that FOX News is full of BS is to show me an example of a news story that was broadcast on FOX News that was later shown to be a lie. You get bonus points if FOX News continued to stick by the story even after it was proven to be a lie.

I figured this would be a very easy game to play, since FOX News, according to you people, is lying about everything all the time. This should provide you with at least one concrete example.
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a prayer
I wonder if God will answer a prayer that goes against one of his 10 commandments? Your post wins the award for one of the most tasteless.

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God hates O'Reilly just as much as the rest of us do.
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said by morbo:

God hates O'Reilly just as much as the rest of us do.
How would you know? I thought God only talked to George W. Bush
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said by morbo:

God hates O'Reilly just as much as the rest of us do.
sadly for us , you must have the tolerence of God to not hate O'Reilly....on the other hand with some of our behaviour that may just come in handy some day.

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The idea that some people consider these guys reputable news sources is laughable. Foolish individuals that confuse partisan commentary for news. I guess that explains why they're so wrong about things like the rule of law and such...

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said by Transmaster:

Eat your heart out CNN, don't you wish you had the viewer ratings these three have

Here have some heart burn Kamm
LOL. O'Reilly's rates are historical lows, as well as FauxNews'.

At least read before you embarrass yourself next time...

quote:

Fox News' Ratings Take a Nosedive

TVNewser | Posted Tuesday August 29, 2006 at 05:12 PM

Somewhere, Keith Olbermann is sticking pins in a Bill O'Reilly voodoo doll: Fox News' ratings, TVNewser reports, are down since August of last year. Like, way down. Like down 28 percent in primetime among all viewers, down 20 percent in primetime in the "money demo" (viewers aged 25-54) and down 7 percent in daytime viewership overall. In fact, the only place Fox is up is during the day, when they managed a ratings increase of just 2 percent, and even then only in the money demo.

And lest you think this is an industry-wide trend, consider this: over the same time period, CNN and MSNBC are up. CNN's up 35 percent during the day -- 46 percent in the money demo -- and up 21 percent in primetime overall, 25 percent in the money demo. MSNBC's ratings increases aren't quite as impressive -- up 6 percent in primetime overall, 8 percent in the money demo, and up 36 percent in the money demo during the day, 26 percent overall.

We, of course, are Fair and Balanced here, so there won't be any celebrating later tonight. Certainly we will not be opening any champagne. That would be wrong.


»www.huffingtonpost.com/eat-the-p···292.html

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The Puffington Host? And you people tell me I am confusing news with opinion?

Besides... Given their own slant, I am willing to go out on a limb and state that even though percentages are down, the sheer number of viewers for FOX News still is higher than CNN or MSNBC. That is, that 35% for CNN may only represent very few people, compared to the 24% for FOX News, where it may represent a far greater number of people.

Besides, the article doesn't mention that they are still drawing more viewers than CNN and MSNBC put together. If they were not, then that itself would have been the headline, and not your little story about percentages.
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said by pnh102:

The Puffington Host? And you people tell me I am confusing news with opinion?

Besides... Given their own slant, I am willing to go out on a limb and state that even though percentages are down, the sheer number of viewers for FOX News still is higher than CNN or MSNBC. That is, that 35% for CNN may only represent very few people, compared to the 24% for FOX News, where it may represent a far greater number of people.

Besides, the article doesn't mention that they are still drawing more viewers than CNN and MSNBC put together. If they were not, then that itself would have been the headline, and not your little story about percentages.
Ah yes. And the goal post gets up and walks around again.

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said by pnh102:

The Puffington Host? And you people tell me I am confusing news with opinion?

Besides... Given their own slant, I am willing to go out on a limb and state that even though percentages are down, the sheer number of viewers for FOX News still is higher than CNN or MSNBC. That is, that 35% for CNN may only represent very few people, compared to the 24% for FOX News, where it may represent a far greater number of people.

Besides, the article doesn't mention that they are still drawing more viewers than CNN and MSNBC put together. If they were not, then that itself would have been the headline, and not your little story about percentages.
thanks for confirming you are unable to accept facts.

FauxNews is DOWN BY A LOT, CNN and MSNBC are UP BY A LOT. Hard facts are painful but still true.

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said by kamm:

FauxNews is DOWN BY A LOT, CNN and MSNBC are UP BY A LOT. Hard facts are painful but still true.
LOL whatever dude... IF FOX News was really no longer number one, it would be the headline of every other news source, as they would be salivating for this to be true. Your only source is some loser in CA's sorry excuse for a blog. Even CNN has more credibility than that.
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And the goal post moves again....

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said by kamm:

Yeah, he did much worse: he introduced the sheer political lies &manipulations via so-called "news" programs.
Perhaps you should write to your congressmen and ask them to shut down FOX News then, as they were quite happy to do threaten to do that to ABC when they exercised their rights to "free" speech.
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said by kamm:

Yeah, he did much worse: he introduced the sheer political lies &manipulations via so-called "news" programs.
Introduced? Even if you really believe all of Fox News is lies, you can't make a case that they were the first.
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If Murdoch's out, then I'm in.

We don't do News Corp in this house.

Maybe Murdoch's next move will be to divest his American Citizenship that he bought from the Republifreaks.
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DVRs

Does this mean we can quit using, or at least drastically improve, the crappy DirecTV Plus DVR's Murdoch imposed on us DirecTV customers?

DirecTV should have never broke up with Tivo.

Oh, and let DirecTV merge with Echostar? Yeah right, That'd be a bigger monopoly than Micro$oft.
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Re: DVRs

said by PolarBear03:

Does this mean we can quit using, or at least drastically improve, the crappy DirecTV Plus DVR's Murdoch imposed on us DirecTV customers?

DirecTV should have never broke up with Tivo.

Oh, and let DirecTV merge with Echostar? Yeah right, That'd be a bigger monopoly than Micro$oft.
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Why would DirecTV want EchoStar????

Unless you are in BFE, everybody tells me both suck and end up back at Cable.

Murdoch, being shrewd, has probably figured that out as a bad investment since he can't control both and force quality on them. News Corp makes him more $$$$ anyway.
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Re: Why would DirecTV want EchoStar????

They suck if you want broadband....
My Dish Network and Verizon DSL do just fine, if Comcast was in my area I would probably switch though.
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what's good for the goose....

Gee - just because the FCC said "NO!!" when Charley Ergen tried to have echostar buy Direct, RUpert thinks the other way would be looked favorably on ? Give me a break...

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Rupert pulling out means Sat TV in for tough times

If Murdoch is pulling out of the satellite TV business, it means he doesn't see any future growth and profits in it. And that is bad news for DirecTV and Dish Network. Because if Murdoch is good at one thing, it is knowing where money can be made. And, at least in his opinion, the Sat TV business doesn't have any more growth potential. I guess he was getting worried by the telcos(especially Verizon) getting into the TV business.
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Re: Rupert pulling out means Sat TV in for tough times

said by Romney2012:

If Murdoch is pulling out of the satellite TV business, it means he doesn't see any future growth and profits in it. And that is bad news for DirecTV and Dish Network. Because if Murdoch is good at one thing, it is knowing where money can be made. And, at least in his opinion, the Sat TV business doesn't have any more growth potential. I guess he was getting worried by the telcos(especially Verizon) getting into the TV business.
At last! An on-topic post! Agreed.....it is going to be hard for Sat providers to 'run with the big dogs' as far as service offerings, especially with telco fiber (Verizon, et. al.) enabling the providers to do video themselves instead of having to partner with Satellite. Satellite is basically going to end up as the last option for rural users out of range of cable providers and areas where the incumbents will not roll out fiber or other broadband options...

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Re: Rupert pulling out means Sat TV in for tough times

"Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie?"

buahahahahaahahahahahahaahh!

and a extra HA!
Thats all your getting from me.

As to Mr. Murdoch, heh, I guess he does "like" Black people...
After all, he owns MySpace! Looky here, the rednecks in love with the minority buying power NOW. heh.

I wish Mr. Murdoch a 9/11 style hit on his forehead. No mass casualties, just this scumware offline.

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Re: Rupert pulling out means Sat TV in for tough times

said by FiL:

"Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie?"

buahahahahaahahahahahahaahh!

and a extra HA!
Thats all your getting from me.

As to Mr. Murdoch, heh, I guess he does "like" Black people...
After all, he owns MySpace! Looky here, the rednecks in love with the minority buying power NOW. heh.

I wish Mr. Murdoch a 9/11 style hit on his forehead. No mass casualties, just this scumware offline.
All that diarrhea and you haven't answered the question.
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Re: Rupert pulling out means Sat TV in for tough times

said by pnh102:

said by FiL:

"Well, how many times has FOX News been caught in a deliberate lie?"

buahahahahaahahahahahahaahh!

and a extra HA!
Thats all your getting from me.

As to Mr. Murdoch, heh, I guess he does "like" Black people...
After all, he owns MySpace! Looky here, the rednecks in love with the minority buying power NOW. heh.

I wish Mr. Murdoch a 9/11 style hit on his forehead. No mass casualties, just this scumware offline.
All that diarrhea and you haven't answered the question.
No, it's just you - you just simply unable to grasp his answer.

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Re: Rupert pulling out means Sat TV in for tough times

said by kamm:

No, it's just you - you just simply unable to grasp his answer.
Man, you people are funny. I ask a simple question, and no one can give me an answer. Surely you people could give me a single example of FOX News lying about a news piece from a network which supposedly lies about everything all the time.
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Why Murdoch bought it to begin with....

Half (if not all) the reason Murdoch bought his share of DirecTV is because he owns the company that makes the new (crappy) DirecTV Plus DVRs, and by buying his 40 or so % of DirecTV, he could force DTV to use his DVRs.

(And trust me when I say crappy, I install DirecTV for a living, and I replace a LOT of defective units.)

He is now realizing that just because he makes the DVRs and can force DirecTV to use them, that doesn't mean they are any good and that he can actually make money off of them (especially when about half - yes, I honestly mean about half - of them are defective).

The other reason - I assume - ol' Rupert bought his share was to try to control DirecTV channel lineup and offerings. And IMHO, DirecTV has always had a good channel lineup and provided their customers with the programming they wanted, and needed no input from Murdoch to help.

Side note:
I've only had DirecTV since 1999; half of that in rural BFE, and the other half in a city of 300,000 people. I pay $50/mo for 185 all digital channels. Comcast wanted about $100/mo for that, and their first 70 channels are analog no matter what, and often(depending on neighborhood)have poor picture quality as a result.

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Re: Why Murdoch bought it to begin with....

Murdoch bought direct tv for a number of reasons

1. To stop the NDS lawsuit. NDS who had made the access cards for the recivers since day one had a falling out with Direct after the Acces 4 card came out. Then DTV came out with there own in house made card and file suite against nds over some business practices. Rupert bought DTV the lawsuit went away and nds started making cards again.

2. As Aaron said he wanted to push his half baked recivers. They did not get great reviews from people in the UK using SKY TV service and did not get good reviews here either.

3. Because He could not buy Echostar. Long before Echostar tried buying DTV... Murdoch tried buying Echostar from Charlie and they could never settle on a price. Why does Murdoch want Echostar because unlike DTV it knows how to make a profit. YOu have two satellite companies with the same general prices and channel lines ups but one is in the red and the other is in the green. HMMM. I belive that murdoch wanted to merge dtv and echo together and have Charlie Ergen be CEO over the merged company as if anyone could turn around DTV profit margins it would be charlie.

4. Murdoch hates Nagravision ( competition to his NDS ) and Echostar being the largest consumer and provider of Nagravision cards and technology ( Nagravision and Echostar's joint venture company Nagrastar) the old buy them out to get rid of them tatic works quite well .

5. I belive murdoch saw dtv and thought he could turn it around and make it profitable but couldnt and wants to get rid of it .

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Re: Why Murdoch bought it to begin with....

Thanks, Stonecold. I'm suprised I didn't know all that. And I though I kept up!
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Re: Why Murdoch bought it to begin with....

CNN Communist News Network

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Re: Why Murdoch bought it to begin with....

Aren't they all? Even our (at least in my neck of the woods) local news networks can't report accurate facts. Just this week I saw a report on our local NBC affiliate talking about a police crackdown on a particular traffic law. They didn't bother to even quote the law, and only gave a factually incorrect paraphrasing of it. I looked up the law on my state legislature's web site, and found them to be quite wrong.

In my experience, the only news source I can trust is my local newspaper, and I am sure not all of those are trustworthy, either. But at least when a newspaper prints an error, they usually have the decency to correct it in their next issue.
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Hey Mods

How about you clean up this mess?

Way off topic and I'm just too damn lazy to use Hey Mods on every off topic post.

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