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| Re: wtf? said by Seandhi  :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. if they didn't put any money into researching and developing the iPod, why should they get a share of revenue?
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| Re: wtf? said by Julio :said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. if they didn't put any money into researching and developing the iPod, why should they get a share of revenue? Hey, I didn't say I agree with it... That's just the logic they are using.
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| Re: wtf? yea but it's the same as saying the music industry get profits from every CD player sale or the movie industry getting profits off every DVD player sale or even Microsoft should profit from Every computer sale. It just doesn't make sense.
I see it as both parties benefitting mutually. Apple is helping promote all the artists on the Itunes site and the popular music is promoting sales of the Ipod. Frickin greedy RIAA ba$tard$ need to quit complaining. | |
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| Re: wtf? said by stickfigure :or even Microsoft should profit from Every computer sale. ...which in fact is pretty much Microsoft's position.  | |
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| Re: wtf? right on Zaber...Were was mister Music CEO when the Walkman,Discman and such were out there? The fughkr should be grateful the iPod et al are creating such a demand for his crap!
The guy sells the cherries that go in the pie and already got paid for it, now he wants a piece of the finished pie sales too? f'him!!! | |
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| Re: wtf? We already do pay a tribute to the RIAA for CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs as well as recordable media. It's called the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992. For 13 years the Gov't has forced us to give money to the RIAA for these things...because they complained enough about losing money on them. | |
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| said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. And if there wasn't an internet, there wouldn't be an iTunes Store, so let's up the price another quarter since the RIAA missed that boat. | |
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| Re: wtf? said by sporkme :said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. And if there wasn't an internet, there wouldn't be an iTunes Store, so let's up the price another quarter since the RIAA missed that boat. Come on, we all know that porn made the internet popular... not music! 
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| said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. Wrong. What makes the iPod popular is the design. Online, legal music distrbution would not be nearly as popular without the iPod/iTunes providing a comfortable and easy to use interface.
If people just wanted songs cheap, they could go anywhere to get them and use any mp3 player to hear them. They use Apple's products and portal for the "user experience."
The RIAA is sorely misunderstanding their role in this whole deal. They wouldn't have any (appreciatable) online market income if it wasn't for Apple.
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| said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. By that matter the government should get profit sharing from all car manufacturers, because without the roads the government sets up, cars wouldn't sell. And ISPs should get money from ebay/amazon/newegg/etc because if it wasn't for them providing internet access, none of those sites could make money. Also ups/fedex/usps should also get kickbacks from any business that relys on them for shipping. The list goes on forever. The same logic will also always apply in reverse. So Apple should see more profit from the music sales because the RIAA wouldn't sell as much music if it wasn't for itunes and the ipod. This type of justification is pointless because in the end we would have to build a complex system to attempt to figure out how much money each business ends up earning because of a related business and all the money will probably just end up with the government, because the government is what allows our ways of free commerce to exist. | |
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By that matter the government should get profit sharing from all car manufacturers, because without the roads the government sets up, cars wouldn't sell. They do, it's called sales taxes, excise taxes, auto registration, gasoline tax...
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| Re: wtf? said by Xaak :said by insomniac84 :
By that matter the government should get profit sharing from all car manufacturers, because without the roads the government sets up, cars wouldn't sell. They do, it's called sales taxes, excise taxes, auto registration, gasoline tax... ..and wheel tax where I live. ugh.. anywho, back on topic  | |
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| Re: wtf? said by tcp1 :The payback and share they get via iPods is that they get to sell more of their product. They are owed nothing more. This is like saying Ron Popeil should get a share of each TV sold because he has his commercials on TV. No, duh, the medium is the reason YOU exist. Music has existed without the RIAA. The RIAA would not exist without consumer music devices. Hubris, folks. In the RIAA's narrow view, they do believe that they are owed more because they used to control the medium and distribution. They allowed iTunes to distribute music to iPods, and lost control of both distribution and medium.
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| Re: wtf? said by Lepriapus :Based on this logic, they will also want a cut of Windows, Mac, Linux, and any other OS revenue, because without these OS, the music would not be downloadable. Again, I don't agree with the logic, but...
Your argument does not apply because the operating systems are not popular because of music. iPods (and iTunes), on the other hand, would not exist without the RIAA products.
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said by Seandhi :iPods (and iTunes), on the other hand, would not exist without the RIAA products. Not sure about iTunes, but iPod would do just fine without RIAA products. IMHO, if it did not support the good old unprotected MP3 format, iPod wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is today. And by the way, ever heard of independent music? It's compatible with iPod too, not just RIAA products.
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| Re: wtf? said by Pirate515 :said by Seandhi :iPods (and iTunes), on the other hand, would not exist without the RIAA products. Not sure about iTunes, but iPod would do just fine without RIAA products. IMHO, if it did not support the good old unprotected MP3 format, iPod wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is today. And by the way, ever heard of independent music? It's compatible with iPod too, not just RIAA products. Uhh, what kind of unencrypted content are those people putting on their iPods? Most likely, pirated music. And yes, I have heard of Indy music... That's not making the iPod popular.
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| Re: wtf? said by Seandhi :Uhh, what kind of unencrypted content are those people putting on their iPods? Most likely, pirated music. And yes, I have heard of Indy music... That's not making the iPod popular. High quality, digital handcuff free music from ones own old or current cd libriary.It does not mean copyright infringed music.It appears you work for the RIAA to make that kind of statement.
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Most likely, pirated music.
Long before the iPod became popular.This I believe was among the first if not the first mp3 player »www.nomadworld.com/compare/idm/#
I still have my homemade portable mp3 player for my car.All it is, is a old computer Pentium 166mhz,10 gig hard drive with DOS 6.22, a keyboard,converter for my car's electrical system and easy to connect/disconnect plugs that goes with me ,to and from work.
With the price of hard drives today it's cheaper to make a cd player for road warriors than buy one.The directions on how to make one is easily found on the web 
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| Re: wtf? said by guitarzan :I still have my homemade portable mp3 player for my car.All it is, is a old computer Pentium 166mhz,10 gig hard drive with DOS 6.22, a keyboard,converter for my car's electrical system and easy to connect/disconnect plugs that goes with me ,to and from work. With the price of hard drives today it's cheaper to make a cd player for road warriors than buy one.The directions on how to make one is easily found on the web You can also do what I did: grab a cheap (older) PDA and a few CF/SD cards. That way you can have "albums" the size of a potato chip. Or grab a 2GB+ microdrive and go even further. The upside of this is that you can watch ripped videos too using PocketDivx or PictPocket. It's a good deal.
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| Re: wtf? Thanks Tapeloop 
I'll have to look into that what you mention.Sounds as if it's a great idea. Does this require solely the divx format ? or can different formats or codecs be used?
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PictPocket Cinema and PocketTV are also good players for PDAs, but they charge for the software.
I do know Quicktime and Realplayer also have players for PPC2002 and up if you want to encode your vids that way.
As for PDAs, if you don't have one already, you can get an iPAQ for as low as $50 on eBay.
It's been a while since I've ripped to PDA since I no longer have that 30-min. bus commute to watch Simpson's episodes.
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| said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. Then they would want a cut of every single receiver, tape player, CD player, speaker, speaker wire, speaker stands, entertainment center, etc.
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| Re: wtf? said by moonpuppy :said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. Then they would want a cut of every single receiver, tape player, CD player, speaker, speaker wire, speaker stands, entertainment center, etc. More stupid rantings from the record execs. Not necessarily speakers, receivers, and the likes. They have other uses, such as: TV, movies, etc.
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| Re: wtf? said by Seandhi :Not necessarily speakers, receivers, and the likes. They have other uses, such as: TV, movies, etc. Obviously, you aren't thinking like the RIAA. They would argue that speakers are a medium to transport music and therefore subject to their control. Whether it has other uses is irrelevant. The RIAA is only concerned with uses that affect them in any way, shape or form. | |
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| Re: wtf? said by moonpuppy :said by Seandhi :Not necessarily speakers, receivers, and the likes. They have other uses, such as: TV, movies, etc. Obviously, you aren't thinking like the RIAA. They would argue that speakers are a medium to transport music and therefore subject to their control. Whether it has other uses is irrelevant. The RIAA is only concerned with uses that affect them in any way, shape or form. I've been doing my best to think like the RIAA for this entire thread while trying to keep some form of fairness.
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| Re: wtf? said by Seandhi :I've been doing my best to think like the RIAA for this entire thread while trying to keep some form of fairness. And there is your problem. The RIAA doesn't think anything is fair unless it benefits them. | |
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| said by Seandhi :Not that I agree with the RIAA, but the logic is that iPods would not be nearly as popular without the products put out by the RIAA. And neither would 78 RPM records, 8-track tapes, cassettes, LP Vynil records, and reel-to-reel tape players. The iPod is a medium to play music which the RIAA provides. Should the RIAA also get royalties from Gibson, Fender, Tama, Yamaha, Korg, Shure, and Peavy? I mean, c'mon, the music that's recorded and sold via the RIAA is made with those instruments. | |
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| Re: wtf? said by MGD King :And neither would 78 RPM records, 8-track tapes, cassettes, LP Vynil records, and reel-to-reel tape players. The iPod is a medium to play music which the RIAA provides. Like I said before, the RIAA used to have control of distribution and medium. They gave that control to Apple in iTunes and the iPod, respectively. They want a larger share for giving up that control.
Should the RIAA also get royalties from Gibson, Fender, Tama, Yamaha, Korg, Shure, and Peavy? I mean, c'mon, the music that's recorded and sold via the RIAA is made with those instruments.
No, because those companies get a much greater share from non-RIAA related proceeds.
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| Re: wtf? The RIAA no longer controls distribution and content.? You got to be kidding.
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Like I said before, the RIAA used to have control of distribution and medium. They gave that control to Apple in iTunes and the iPod, respectively. They want a larger share for giving up that control.
Had the control of what you mention actually occured.Then where do these clusterf*cks get off asking for the price of songs be raised to $1.50 and a cut of iPod sales? The RIAA should, if anything pay the music buying public a 25 % of profit just for allowing that garbage to reach our eardrums.
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2 edits | Ipod is replacing the walkman. The tape walkman was replace by the cd walkman, then came mp3 cd's. Now we have Ipod, replaces all the old media. The ipod is nothing more than a digital walkman. Old concept, new technology. | |
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| said by Julio :why the hell should they get revenue from iPod sales? just goes to show u how greedy the RIAA is. Exactly!!! | |
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It's not hot, it's just not cold.
pLEASE SIR I WANT SUM MORE.
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They say "we are not greedy" then in the next sentence demand your first born.. Complete bullshit
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| They also seem to think that it's NOT APPROPRIATE to customers if there's just one price, that it's more fair to the consumers if they charge more for some songs. WHAT THE HELL?
They also seem to think that more popular artists deserve more money for their songs... what? WHAT?! the consumer will either buy the song or not, and the more popular songs will be bought more often. This guy is a retard.
"To have only one price point is not fair to our artists, and I dare say not appropriate to consumers. The market should decide, not a single retailer," he said. "Some songs should be $0.99 and some songs should be more. I don't want to give anyone the impression that $0.99 is a thing of the past." One thing the music industry needs to adjust to is the difference in selling music on CDs as full albums and selling music as Internet downloads; most consumers are only interested in a few tracks. | |
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| That's also like saying that I make the bullets that people shoot in their guns. I want a cut on the Guns that are sold. Or even better----I make the Gasoline that GM, Ford, Dodge drivers use and I want a cut on every Vehicle sold. RLMAO!! Pure unadulterated Greed! | |
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avantare
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| I read this when it came out and a couple weeks later I thought it would make an awesome sig. However I want to know who said "We're not greedy, we just want more money...".
It was here on DSLR and I have searched but cannot find the exact quote. Any help out there with this?
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This was covered fairly well on Slashdot. Apparently (a) he was thinking of iTunes and (b) he's well known for being mentally disabled.
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kpatz
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1 edit | And that isn't greedy HOW? The music industry doesn't make players, they make music (and I have to use that term loosely). Apple makes the players. Why would the RIAA be entitled to so much as a cent of the revenue from the sale of the player?
And even if you substitute "iTunes" for "iPods" then they already see 90% if not more of the revenue. 90 cents of every 99 cent sale. And how much of it do the artists see? 1 cent? If even that?
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| Re: And that isn't greedy HOW? said by kpatz :The music industry doesn't make players, they make music Don't give them any ideas! | |
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| said by kpatz :The music industry doesn't make players, they make music (and I have to use that term loosely). Apple makes the players. Why would the RIAA be entitled to so much as a cent of the revenue from the sale of the player? And even if you substitute "iTunes" for "iPods" then they already see 90% if not more of the revenue. 90 cents of every 99 cent sale. And how much of it do the artists see? 1 cent? If even that? Not greedy, indeed... Just to give you an idea of how much the actual artists get, here is a link to the recent negotiations between the industry and the artist groups.
»www.internetweek.com/news/170100891
Music publishers and songwriters get 5.25 percent of revenue from Internet radio, and up to 8.5 cents per song for paid permanent downloads.
Copyright holders were seeking 14 percent of revenue, while the association's last offer was for 6.9 percent.
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for the same reason they get a % of revenue from every blank cd/dvd/tape, for the same reason they get a % of revenue for every device that can record (beta,vhs,dvd-recordable)...
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1 edit | Re: And that isn't greedy HOW? In the United States, only cd's labeled as "Music CD-R" have the royalty on them. Regular blank cd's have no royalties | |
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| Re: What's next? haha, and should this mean that they (music biz) get a cut of every cd-player? Every vcr? Every tape player?
This is so silly. If they're pestering Steve, have they also "pressured" the other online retailers? Heck, Rhapsody only charges $.89/song $.79/burn. I'm guessing Napster has a similar deal. Do all those "play (not) for sure" devices need additional fees too?
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| Ha Ha!! This guy is seriously retarded... They ONLY get a miniscule NINETY CENTS PER DOLLAR off of each song! He only wants everyone to assume the position and just take it.......
They wont stop their tyranny until they can make every song on public radio stations pay-per-listen, they are just waiting for the technology. In fact, I bet you they are trying to develop the tech as we speak.... | |
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| Re: What's next? Well there is that built in licensed content scheme being talked about on the new intel chips .... something about such a scheme being a defacto presence in all media broadcasts in the future... so if any of your audio or video equipment is non-complient that the data is locked out ... so yes they are going on the road of license to listen ... Thank you ##AA and M$ ... two of the bigest robber barons in the modern age ... | |
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Razgriz
Pandora rocks
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join:2005-05-31
Fayetteville, NC
clubs: | Haha Thats greed. Plain and simple. | |
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Boricua65
join:2002-01-26
Puerto Rico
| Re: Haha said by Razgriz :Thats greed. Plain and simple. Yes, and them greedy pigs need to be shut down. | |
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mph300
Two Thirds The Way There
join:2000-11-09
1 edit | We're not greedy, we just want more money... Another profound statement by the music industry....Well, what kind of term should be used to describe this motive? Greed seems pretty logical to me.
How can the music industry survive with their people/industry having this mentality!
It is beyond rational thinking.
How can the **AA's shoot themselves so many times and survive?
Mike
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IsdnWolf
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join:2002-05-24
Cleveland, TN | How about radios As my wife pointed out, the music compaines do not get a share of every radio that is sold... | |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Re: How about radios Not yet. That will eventually be their suggestion as sort of a piracy tax, I'm sure. | |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| All my life's a circle.... As a questionably related aside, note that much of the "industry" actually spread from the manufacturing side, as RCA created a radio network (NBC) to acquire and broadcast programming so that people would buy their radios.
(If you believe in the cyclical side of life, I hope I brightened your day....)
calvoiper
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ssj4android
Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI | Do they get a share of CD Player sales? Then why should they get money from ipods? | |
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zipjay
join:2003-03-11
Louisville, KY
| according to the dictionary... Taken from www.dictionary.com
greed·y Pronunciation Key (grd)
adj. greed·i·er, greed·i·est
1. Excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing, especially wishing to possess more than what one needs or deserves. | |
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kfsutops
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join:2002-08-19
Brandon, FL
clubs:
| But yet they aren't paying for The music industries want a piece of the iPod. What about the fact they are not paying to have any of these songs pressed to cd either? And a royalty is given to the music industry for all of the blank cd's you purchase. They should be seeing higher profit margins from the songs on iTunes per song.
I personally don't think that iTunes is what drives people to buy iPods anyway. I would guess that maybe 1% (probably high) of the music on most peoples iPods didn't come from iTunes in the first place.
Maybe Steve should just close the iTunes store. He would probably make more money that way. But then again, that is what the other services want done.
The only thing that I somewhat agree with is that the iPod shouldn't be locked to just iTunes for purchased music. But hey, that's the name of the game and Apple can do it. | |
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| haertig
join:2000-12-31
Broomfield, CO | Re: But yet they aren't paying for iPods aren't locked to iTunes. iTunes is locked to iPods. iPods do reject wma's however. None of the iPods in our family have anything from iTunes on them. Only MP3's purchased elsewhere. | |
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Rick
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join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT
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| I think the point of Edgar Bronfman's comment isn't that they really expect that they should be sharing in ipod's revenues but more along the lines of Steve Jobs is the LAST one who should be complaining about someone making revenues off this whole thing.
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Anonymous
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join:2004-06-01
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| Greed "We are selling our songs through iPod, but we don’t have a share of iPod’s revenue, we want to share in those revenue streams." he said. "We have to get out of the mindset that our content has promotional value only. We have to keep thinking how we are going to monetize our product for our shareholders, we are the arms supplier in the device wars between Samsung, Sony, Apple, and others."
However, if he feels the music industry is entitled to a share in the profits of iPods, then would he make the same argument for other MP3 players that are capable of playing songs protected by Microsoft's DRM technology? If so, then one would feel a little more compelled to agree with Steve Jobs' comments on labels being greedy considering they would like to have consumers pay more than 99c per song, get a share of the money the consumer gives to buy an iPod or any other MP3 player and then have the consumer pay an extra tax on top of the price of the MP3 player to cover for possible piracy.
Now a system like that would be greedy."
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA
| How does he define greedy? So he's basically claiming that he's not greedy by saying that songs should be priced higher and that they should be getting a cut out of the profits from iPods? Exactly what is the entertainment industry definition of greedy, because it must be vastly different from mine.
said by dictionary.com :
greed·y
adj. greed·i·er, greed·i·est
1. Excessively desirous of acquiring or possessing, especially wishing to possess more than what one needs or deserves.
2. Wanting to eat or drink more than one can reasonably consume; gluttonous.
3. Extremely eager or desirous: greedy for the opportunity to prove their ability.
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i worked there too
@emhril.ameritech
| It does not surprise me I worked for 7 years in the entertainment industry (including record labels). One of the reasons I left the business was that I got tired of playing the loan shark. All record labels are is a bank with huge interest rates. Artists get screwed, distributors get screwed, and so do employees. That is what happens when you let alcohol companies (like Seagrams) and public companies run record labels. It is share value they are worried about and they want to maximize the income by using their market position.
Apple is an easy target. Apple is also in a captive position, because record labels could easily cut off the sales from iTunes and Apple will suffer.
Hate to say it, but record labels in this case have upper hand, and just like unions, sometimes they will do things that will be detrimental just to save face.
Bottom line: we can b1tch and moan, but those songs will become $1.50, like it or not. Majors just have too much power. | |
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Not sure thismakes s
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| Re: It does not surprise me correct me if I am wrong, but what he is saying since you can only use IPOD when using Itunes that in a sense the industry is promoting IPOD to users. So therefor he believes they deserve a cut because of this. I would guess if Itunes allowed users to use different mp3 players then it would be ok.
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Corey Haim
join:2005-03-26
Austell, GA | Raising the price to $1.50 is only going to encourage illegal downloading again. Why pay $1.50 a song when I can get it for free? And get it relatively easy for free... | |
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| WirelessMajr
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join:2005-08-03
College Place, WA
| Apple isnt an easy target though when you really think about it.
Say that the RIAA cuts apple off. Its no big deal. The iPod will still remain THE most popular mp3 player, and people will just go back to downloading the unencrypted songs, or to ripping them from someone elses CD. And if Apple really wanted to, they could easily enable the iPod to play .wma and DRM .wma files (The day they add voice recording and a USB mass storage profile is the day I purchase one).
But I doubt that iTunes will get cut off. Its too big of a cash cow for the RIAA, and besides Yahoo Music (.79 per song, $5 per month) no other service comes close to iTunes. iTunes also has the largest library of songs to purchase as well. If anything, I believe that apple holds more of the cards than we think they do. | |
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ssj4android
Redefining Reality
join:2002-04-14
Wyoming, MI
| Re: It does not surprise me Aren't/weren't some Sony artists in Japan deciding to take their songs directly to iTunes because Sony hadn't cut a deal with Apple? Apple could always turn iTunes into a place for independant music. They already have some. Plus, they'd still have audio books and stuff. | |
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join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
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(The day they add voice recording and a USB mass storage profile is the day I purchase one).
You got #2. The iPod already has a USB Mass storage profile. You plug it in and it will show up on a Win machine without any drivers being loaded. You can' directly put songs on there to be played, but you can store data on it and use it as a portable hard drive. | |
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MrWhippit
You Big Dummy Gimmie Back My Bandwith
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join:2002-04-04
Philadelphia, PA | Bronfman He should have a Seven and Seven (or a few) and STFU
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | speculation is silly It's estimated....
without real data, argument over any of this is kind of a waste of time... | |
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| joshpo
join:2002-09-24
Philadelphia, PA
1 edit | Re: speculation is silly I would love to see Warner and the majors pull out of iTunes, it would send droves of people back to piracy and set back years of work coaxing people to buy legal music online. If I were Jobs I would tell them to shove it, if the labels already get 9/10 of every song sold then Apple does not stand to lose much. Apple makes its money on the iPods. And only a fraction of people buy an iPod because they can use it with iTunes. I don't buy that argument for a minute. | |
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Anonymous
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join:2004-06-01
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| Win-Win Well I hate them both. I'll just relax and watch this unfold. IMHO they are both greedy.
No comment for RIAA is really needed but Steve should really stop bitching about GREED because his company is ripping people off big time.
$250 for an iPod or their superior computers that come with sub standard components all wrapped up in a nice case. (And please don't start about Dell and other big PC manufacturers, it's same crap but at least it's a lot cheaper)
I always thought they would include some ass lube with their computers because people are getting screwed big time.
Either way I think Apple has no chance of winning here. Without the music industry they would have no iPod sales and their marginal computer market share can't really change much. | |
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phantom6294
join:2002-02-27
Abingdon, MD
·Comcast
| Follow me here... So, the logic is that more popular songs should cost more... simply because they are more popular. Using that same logic, does that mean that less popular songs should be cheaper? A song that me and six other people want to buy should cost maybe $0.10???
It would seem the music industry sees "variable pricing" in only one direction, up: $0.99 for a song, UNLESS it is popular, then you have to pay more. Until, of course, it is no longer popular, then it goes back down to the base price, right??? (like that will ever happen...)
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