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join:2000-05-11 | Somesay "Some estimates say no less than 80 per cent of all internet traffic comprises copyright-infringing files on P2P networks."
I thought 80 percent of all internet traffic comprises forwarded joke emails, spam and porn...
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 |  DogfatherPremium
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Somesay It's whatever some corporate spokes-hole wants it to be. | |
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| | | | Re: Somesay LOL I'd guess 80 percent was porn, pop up / adware generated traffic, and typical browsing. Then again, 99 percent of facts are made up (or so I love to say). | |
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| | |  nekkidtruthYou fail at life.Premium
join:2002-05-20
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| Re: Somesay said by jc100:LOL I'd guess 80 percent was porn, pop up / adware generated traffic, and typical browsing. Then again, 99 percent of statistics are made up (or so I love to say). I fixed it for you again  Just to re-clarify, facts are generally not made up. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Somesay Dude its rhetorical man, you're missing the irony. It's implying you can slap a number on anything and call it hard data. Facts are often subjective and not really facts either. Look at all these blanket studies where numbers are cited and the report taken as fact. Then, it's rebuked by another study and so on. As you might know, research is only as good as those doing it and the backer behind it. | |
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join:2002-05-20
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| Re: Somesay said by jc100:Dude its rhetorical man, you're missing the irony. It's implying you can slap a number on anything and call it hard data. Facts are often subjective and not really facts either. Look at all these blanket studies where numbers are cited and the report taken as fact. Then, it's rebuked by another study and so on. As you might know, research is only as good as those doing it and the backer behind it. I'm not saying I disagree, or that I don't understand the irony. I'm just pointing out that we're discussing statistics, but you keep referring to facts 
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| said by RadioDoc:"Some estimates say no less than 80 per cent of all internet traffic comprises copyright-infringing files on P2P networks." I thought 80 percent of all internet traffic comprises forwarded joke emails, spam and porn... No thats my internet traffic ! Have you been sniffing my ports again ?
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| |  BUGZILLA 57don't get uranus ablazePremium
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out there | Re: Somesay And thats a FACT | |
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| | Are these people for real? "Some estimates" - yeah, some estimates we made up! The RIAA and the MPAA are ridiculous. | |
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|  hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: Are these people for real? I'd say "all estimates" coming from these corporations. | |
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I'm not really interested in the RIAA music (ex: Rap). Just wish the RIAA would be abolished already. On that note, the price of internet would go up. | |
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2 edits | What about the DMCA? The Digital Millenium Copyright Act ("DMCA") specifically EXEMPTS ISPs from copyright lawsuits-as long as they enforce the 'take down' provisions of the DMCA. It sure sounds like the RIAA is getting 'lazy' and has decided they only want the parts of the DMCA that benefit THEM enforced.
In other words, they want to have their cake and eat it too.
But we always knew that about these $cumbag$, didn't we?
Notice that they sued an Irish ISP-they want to get their foot in the door that way..... | |
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| hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: What about the DMCA? said by qworster:The Digital Millenium Copyright Act ("DMCA") specifically EXEMPTS ISPs from copyright lawsuits-as long as they enforce the 'take down' provisions of the DMCA. Unfortunately, $$$ will change this.
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| | CorydonCultivant son jardinPremium
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Denver, CO | Re: What about the DMCA? said by hopeflicker:Unfortunately, $$$ will change this. Whose money? The telcos and cablecos paid good money to get that provision stuck in there. And if they have any brains (AT&T notwithstanding) they'll fight tooth and nail to keep the safe harbor provisions intact.
The **AAs aren't operating in a regulatory/lobbying vacuum here. | |
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| | | RadioDoc58ef2c0Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | Re: What about the DMCA? You can bet that the last thing the RIAA wants is to go head-to-head with AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, Cox, Verizon and any number of smaller ISPs' legal departments all at once. Otherwise they'd be suing every ISP in the USA now.
I wouldn't get too worked up about AT&T's boneheaded content monitoring announcement either...once the lawyers get done with it (and the numbnuts who announced it) they'll be in the same camp as everyone else, which is telling the RIAA to pound sand.
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| | | | | | Re: What about the DMCA? They may go after someone like Earthlink. Earthlink is big enough to fight but no big enough to tie it up for years on end like AT&T or Comcast could do. If they get a win against someone like Earthlink then they might have a better leg to stand on when they go after someone bigger. | |
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| said by hopeflicker:said by qworster:The Digital Millenium Copyright Act ("DMCA") specifically EXEMPTS ISPs from copyright lawsuits-as long as they enforce the 'take down' provisions of the DMCA. Unfortunately, $$$ will change this. The DMCA does not apply to Ireland. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: What about the DMCA? The US law does not apply to Ireland. at all | |
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| | | | | | Re: What about the DMCA? I know. I was just being specific | |
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|  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | They will try to get these laws passed internationally, and then the USA will adopt them as we "update" our laws to be similar for the benefit of "International Trade". | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: What about the DMCA? You're probably right; that would go a long way toward making the rest of the world love us again, which seems to be the primary concern of the Democrat candidates. Can't figure out yet if McCain gives a crap... | |
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Loveland, CO
·Comcast
| Re: wth "Some estimates say no less than 80 per cent of all internet traffic comprises copyright-infringing files on P2P networks.
-IFPI"
And the other 20% is spam, leaving no room for porn. The internet is hosed.
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| |  JahntassaWhat, I can have feathersPremium
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Conway, SC
kudos:4 | Re: wth said by bent:And the other 20% is spam, leaving no room for porn. The internet is hosed. Yeah, but after getting rid of all of that pesky Internet gambling, there should be more room in the tubes! | |
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| | Frivolous It's like suing the county and state governments for providing the roads that the getaway driver uses in a retail robbery. | |
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Pearland, TX | Re: Frivolous said by epickles:It's like suing the county and state governments for providing the roads that the getaway driver uses in a retail robbery. ...I estimate that 80% of all traffic on our roads and freeways are people heading somewhere to commit a crime!!.... | |
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join:2001-02-25
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| Re: Frivolous I don't doubt that more than 50% of internet traffic carries copyright violated materials in one way or another. So what? Over 50% of the nation's drivers travel over the posted speed limits, should the insurance companies sue the government for not enforcing the laws to greater extent? Try it, and the populace would revolt and NOBODY benefits. As it stands, the laws and economies that govern both were devised poorly, and enforcing either is a no-win situation. | |
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some place | celebs vs riaa what happened abt the celebs suing riaa for not paying them the money they took from people for dling illegal wtv | |
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1 edit | Re: celebs vs riaa said by crippy:what happened abt the celebs suing riaa for not paying them the money they took from people for dling illegal wtv ?, kybd brkn? mind mt? | |
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| | | | Re: celebs vs riaa said by ross:said by crippy:what happened abt the celebs suing riaa for not paying them the money they took from people for dling illegal wtv ?, kybd brkn? mind mt? Best... Reply... EVAR !!!11!!1@#$ | |
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| | win win for the riaa and a lose lose for the ISPs. let's see now, implement filters costs the ISPs money to get licenses, pay people to do implement filter and maintain them while the riaa people are just happy without spending a penny. or the ISPs don't implement filters and gets sued (money goes to riaa).
if the riaa was intelligent, they'd pay the ISPs to implement filters, but it is a good thing that the riaa management is pretty stupid. the only ones that can be police are the police, not the ISPs, riaa, mpaa, or anyone else. i say the police should get into the mix and say that if filtering is implemented, we'll press charges for impersonating a police officer. | |
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| jester121Premium
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: win win for the riaa Wow. You do know that police don't get involved in lawsuits right? | |
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|  CheesePremium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
kudos:1 | said by cornelius785:i say the police should get into the mix and say that if filtering is implemented, we'll press charges for impersonating a police officer. Um...impersonating an officer?  | |
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1 edit | Parents should sue the music industry.. ...for giving kids brain damage. The American Idol type garbage the music industry is churning out is complete crap. | |
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| | | Re: Parents should sue the music industry.. thats a good idea.
Or for putting it into these kids heads that they can be the next big hit. | |
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| | | said by Dogfather:...for giving kids brain damage. The American Idol type crap the music industry is churning out is complete crap. Agreed! | |
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 KilroyPremium,MVM
join:2002-11-21
Ann Arbor, MI | When are the **AA going to get it? How can they expect another company to foot the bill and leave themselves open to further litigation if the filters do not work properly.
There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything, you'd think even by accident the **AA would eventually get something right by accident.
Estimate - an approximate judgment or calculation, as of the value, amount, time, size, or weight of something.
In other words a guess, no way to verify or back up the information that we are packaging as fact.
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| | | Re: When are the **AA going to get it? If the music industry changed their business model instead of trying to force their over priced "music" down everyones throat they would be rolling in the dough.
They did the same thing with audio tapes,video tapes and then DVD's and now the Internet. They are against anything that disrupts their monopoly control over content delivery.
The last time I checked they are making billions off of DVD's even though they tried to sue the hardware companies that made it all possible.
The RIAA is nothing but a continuing criminal enterprise just like the mafia.They use copyright laws like a protection racket instead of changing or adapting to the new technology. | |
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San Jose, CA
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| Re: When are the **AA going to get it? said by ScottyDog:The RIAA is nothing but a continuing criminal enterprise just like the mafia. What somebody needs to do is file a RICO suit against the **AA. I wonder what RICO vs. DMCA would look like?
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join:2003-12-02
Beautiful NJ
kudos:11 | When Will The State AG's.... ...start counter-suing the RIAA for their frivolous lawsuits and the pain and suffering they are causing the consumers? They are wasting the money of each state they file suit in, they are beggaring the people they attack. They are a public nuisance and should be treated as such, if not as racketeers.
No offense to Ireland, but why do I feel that they are probably the least well-funded and/or knowledgeable about the ongoing battle? It seems as though the RIAA is trying to do a flanking maneuver by involving them.
It might be helpful for those who are opposed to what the RIAA is trying to do, to get on various Irish message boards and forums to spread the word about their actions here.
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Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| O M G Gimmie a break.... "Some estimates say no less than 80 per cent of all internet traffic comprises copyright-infringing files on P2P networks." Which means: "Our completely BS lying massively exaggerated estimates to spread FUD and push our protectionist agenda onto the public by deceit, fraud, and fear-mongering."
This is nothing other then a special interest group pressing for laws designed to fleece the public and line their pockets. Lying is just one of the tools to try and push that end.
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join:2002-09-23 | Unlimited artists' funds The RIAA can easily afford to keep on bullying whomever they wish. All the money they screw their artists out of keeps piling up and has to be spent on something.
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deadzonedPremium
join:2005-04-13
Baton Rouge, LA | Great! I applaud this decision by the RIAA/MPAA because it's one more stupid decision in a long line of stupid decisions that the RIAA/MPAA has made and it brings them that much closer to the edge of extinction.
You can only make a finite amount of stupid moves before it's starts catching up to you and having adverse affects. Hopefully, this will help to show even more that the RIAA/MPAA care nothing about anything but their bottom lines at any cost. | |
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| | | Re: Great! RIAA sucks blah blah blah it unfair to punish isp's etc etc.
the bottom line is its impossible to stop someone from transmitting data without completly cutting them off, period end of story. 2 weeks after these filters are implemented to cut off p2p all the kids will have switched to encrypted p2p and there will be a small but insignificant hiccup in the illegal sharing of music.
this attempt just shows how retarded the RIAA is. | |
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| | | | Re: Great! What is concerning to me are all these "DRM" technologies that the **AA's are trying to push down our throats. These proposed encryption schemes appear to be for Winblows only.
To hell with those of us who don't use Winblows or Winblows Media Player. I guess we don't get to watch DVD's or listen to CD's, or iTunes etc. The DRM that Netflix uses is for Windows only. So I had to install a Windows partition just to use my Netflix. A real pain in the ass. Netflix claims they are working on a *nix version, but I don't see how it's possible since the DRM scheme Netflix uses is designed for Windows only.
If it weren't for hackers, DVD's still wouldn't be available on *nix. libdvdcss and DeCSS are not official pieces of software, yet is the only option we have on *nix. Most Linux distros do not come with either pre-installed for fear of DMCA laws.
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West Hartford, CT | I think that within the next 10 years, the **AA will follow the path of the dinosaurs and goes into extinction.
It had became more evidenced that established artists can manage/market themselves and their products. Or at least, they can hire independent agents, for a small fee, to do the jobs of the **AA.
They're just trying to hang on to their last breath, whatever it takes, because they know very well their endings are coming soon. | |
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Shelby, NC
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| But... To the guy who said facts are not made up... well they are, after all someone has to come up with a hypothesis to start with. Anyhow, I think it's high time someone does something about the movie and music industry bulling their customers like they have done for so long.
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Lake Zurich, IL Reviews:
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| Re: But... The reason we have words like hypothesis is to describe things that we think might be facts, but aren't sure yet. Once a hypothesis has been proven correct, then it can be called a fact! Pretty neat how language works isn't it? | |
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| | About time ISPs are held accountable ISPs are profiting from their services, which they know are being used to facilitate crimes. This is aiding and abetting when you know this and fail to terminate the service or eliminate the criminal use of such service. Now it's time for the ISPs to pat the price. | |
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| | We The People We the people make the laws,
We the people are suppose to control Congress,
We the People Fire, the law makers,
We the People Fire the RIAA,
We The people Make new Laws,
We The People are on a Sinking Ship....... | |
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@sterlingnetwork.net | Re: We The People The law is the law, however it seems soooo petty for a group , company or single artist who racks in a million dollars a month to strain at gnats....so to speak. Most of them are pot smoking, drug binging sex crazed idiots anyhow (minus a few decent artists of course.) Just sit back and enjoy your millions and leave poor people who don't have the 15-30$ to shell out for your half baked cRAP. | |
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| | Yes but.... ...do not forget the ISPs -- which are basically just down to content resellers now -- do not want a bunch of p2p traffic filling up their pipes, pipes they want to use to SELL us more content.
Think of it this way -- p2p nets are swap meets where the venue does not get a cut. The bandwidth providers surely do. They don't want you ripping a DVD, a song, a game, a show -- anything and putting it up for grabs. That removes a potential sale from them as well -- or so they assume.
I can totally see the pipe providers throttling down traffic and claiming that the RIAA and MPAA -- their partners -- are "making them" do so. Remember, when John Q. Driveway is 100% signed on for broadband, the revenue loss represented by cutting off the hardcore p2pers will be much smaller. | |
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| | Fascists These people are classically fascist. They seek to control things over which they have no right, want to subject us to laws not passed by any elected body (i.e. judicial activism) and want the government to regulate commerce for their own gain. I repeat: they are a bunch of fascists. Screw them right in the ear. | |
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Cincinnati, OH Reviews:
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| Fight To Maintain the Status Quo or Innovate? Perhaps the music industry needs to hire an army of entrepreneurs or 'Googlites'.
Rather than fight to maintain the status quo, IMHO the money they spend going after individuals and now some ISPs would be better spent in innovation.
We must question why? Why do people find it necessary to use P2P file sharing programs? Hmmmm..could it be things like affordability? Value? Purchase simplicities?
-How many examples can we come up with?
The first good thing that was done by online retailers of music was the listening samples. A way of try before you buy. Much like listening stations at the brick and mortar stores, these are the listening stations of the online world. This was an important step to online sales of music.
Artists went further by giving the entire song rather than a short sample on their web sites. People (buyers) respond to this in-kind by buying the CD or MP3.
When put into the perspective of the consumer who wants to know what they are buying, this is genius. It is also a way of interacting between the artist/store/customer. Bring in convenience of purchase along with try before you buy, along with a reasonable price and you get money trading hands!
Rather than spend good money chasing those who are rebelling against high prices, why not innovate the value and customer experience? Why does it take suits so long (years and years) to see the benefits that entrepreneurs see nightly in their dreams?
Second and third world countries have in many cases some of the best technology and the cheapest prices made available to the masses. (telecommunications for example) But in the USA we are stuck getting milked hard by the same corporations. This to me does not make much sense. It is holding onto the past rather than moving into the future.
Innovation always knocks down doors and opens pocketbooks.
The music industry needs to innovate before artists take it upon themselves to self distribute.
The music industry needs to embrace the customer, not fight them and try to put their greedy hands in our pockets and pocketbooks.
Embrace the customer, innovate, put value back into the product and you can have a winning and money making model to duplicate with other products/services.
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