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| Re: Painting all opponents of "net neutrality" with sell-out ... said by morbo  :show us that the NAACP hasn't accepted money from telco's in the past few years. And if they have, so what!! I am sure the NAACP accepts donations from thousands of companies and millions of people. It does not mean that every policy stance they take was based on strings-attached donations. What, you think they have some computer program that analyzes every policy stance they have against the stated goals of every donor on dozens of topics. And then does some weighted average to determine their positions? LOL.
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| Re: Painting all opponents of "net neutrality" with sell-out ... More accurately, their stance reeks of longing for the days when various "wealth redistribution" programs could be hidden in monopoly utility rates (discount rates for low income, etc., etc.) With the advent of competition, the true cost of these subsidies becomes clear and has to either be fairly spread around the industry (effectively as a fully disclosed "tax") or discontinued.
I think the NAACP, like other liberal groups, is fully aware of the consequences of not having Net Neutrality regulation--the "backroom kickback" culture that develops in such a situation limits new entrants and competition--thereby making it easier for wealth redistribution schemes to be hidden in the rates of one or two players, rather than having to be an explicit surcharge on the rates of 4 or 5 players.
Some of these "consumer and ratepayer groups" are still smarting that they missed the boat and didn't somehow get subsidies for cellular rates to placate their supporters, and they are determined to use any trick they can to hide subsidy schemes in the broadband world.
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| Re: Painting all opponents of "net neutrality" with sell-out ... said by calvoiper :More accurately, their stance reeks of longing for the days when various "wealth redistribution" programs could be hidden in monopoly utility rates (discount rates for low income, etc., etc.) With the advent of competition, the true cost of these subsidies becomes clear and has to either be fairly spread around the industry (effectively as a fully disclosed "tax") or discontinued. I think the NAACP, like other liberal groups, is fully aware of the consequences of not having Net Neutrality regulation--the "backroom kickback" culture that develops in such a situation limits new entrants and competition--thereby making it easier for wealth redistribution schemes to be hidden in the rates of one or two players, rather than having to be an explicit surcharge on the rates of 4 or 5 players. Some of these "consumer and ratepayer groups" are still smarting that they missed the boat and didn't somehow get subsidies for cellular rates to placate their supporters, and they are determined to use any trick they can to hide subsidy schemes in the broadband world. calvoiper BBR is playing propaganda machine on this one. Somehow BBR failed to mention the bill passed 117-2. For those of you that aren't math majors, that almost unanimous. Florida legislature isn't made up of 117 black/liberal/democrats members and 2 white/conservative/republicans.
»www.miamiherald.com/458/story/92084.html
Maybe that little tidbit was left out of purpose to inflame members and drive an agenda which is fraking disgusting, if that is the case. Two issues that had nothing to do with each other were combined to make this news(I use that term lightly) story.
No one feels that can fight propaganda with honest reporting, so they turning into propaganda machines themselves. A half-truth is just as bad as a lie. | |
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| Re: Painting all opponents of "net neutrality" with sell-out ... I don't see how you think BBR (Karl) was "playing propaganda" on this one--his point WAS the intersection of two stories otherwise not connected in the media. The point was that the NAACP is bashing Bush on Broadband in Washington, but is opposing the traditional consumer groups on a broadband-deployment-related bill in Tallahassee. That's a valid story.
Frankly, the fact that the consumer advocates lost to the NAACP side by a huge margin in one house of the Florida legislature isn't really even news--except for the related fact that the NAACP position gave lots of legislators (particularly Democrats) "cover" to vote against the consumer advocates.
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| You are bias for you own reasons and I would say just as with everyone else it is money motivated.
If you accept money or any benefits from anyone for any reason then your opinion is skewed and has little value in a debate. So if the NAACP does accept money from any telco or cable company then their opinion is worthless.
For the most part the NAACP is worthless regardless. Their political agenda lost it focus of bringing equality to it's people a long time ago. | |
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| Re: Why is NAACP still around For the same reason the Christian Coalition is still around.
To get cheap broadband access for those that don't have access to it, then force the media companies and ISP's to stop sending smut down the tubes so our children have a chance of being good moral citizens of this country.
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| Re: Why is NAACP still around said by DaSneaky1D :
then force the media companies and ISP's to stop sending smut down the tubes so our children have a chance of being good moral citizens of this country.
I hope that this is a joke. If parents would watch what their kids are doing, and use vchip and monitoring software on the computers.... you know what, forget it, my mind is going numb from reading what you posted. | |
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| said by Necronomikro : said by DaSneaky1D :
then force the media companies and ISP's to stop sending smut down the tubes so our children have a chance of being good moral citizens of this country.
I hope that this is a joke. If parents would watch what their kids are doing, and use vchip and monitoring software on the computers.... you know what, forget it, my mind is going numb from reading what you posted. It was sort of a joke (guess you haven't seen many of my news comments before).
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| said by DaSneaky1D :For the same reason the Christian Coalition is still around. The NAACP is out there spreading the gospel too?!?!? | |
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| Re: Why is NAACP still around said by Vertickle :said by DaSneaky1D :For the same reason the Christian Coalition is still around. The NAACP is out there spreading the gospel too?!?!? Since when does the Christian Coalition go around spreading the gospel? They're a political organization.
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| Re: Why is NAACP still around said by jtudor :Typical NAACP doublespeak! The NAACP is still around for the same reason that there is still a "Miss Black America" contest even though there have been several black "Miss America's" in recent years. Fnny thing is no one cares about either contest, unless there is sex, drugs and tears involved. | |
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| once again naacp talking about crap they know nothing about. who listens to the naacp on corporate franchising issues anyway? why are they even involved? sounds like they need to shut the f*^% up and go back to attacking universities for not having enough diversity. | |
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Anyway, they can voice their opinion/stance on the matter, hell everyone else in the world does when they have no clue what they're talking about anyhow. Why should the NAACP be excluded? | |
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| said by xerxes3642 :naacp talking about crap they know nothing about. who listens to the naacp on corporate franchising issues anyway? why are they even involved? sounds like they need to shut the f*^% up and go back to attacking universities for not having enough diversity. Sounds bitter, someone has issues.
This is a very irresponsible "news" item. The headline makes it seem like the entire NAACP supports Greg Moore position on broadband deployment. It may surprise some people that not all African-Americans think exactly alike, even if they belong to the same organization. No where does Greg Moore imply that he is speaking on behalf of the NAACP. George W. Bush is white, does that mean everyone who is white support his views? Of course not.
This "news" item does it's best to make it seem like the NAACP is talking out of both sides of their mouths. If you read the release, the NAACP of Florida supports the bill because it increases competiton, which help to keep prices down.
What this "news" item fails to mention is that the cherry-picking provisions were taken out of the bill the NAACP supported. This is FOX NEWS style reporting. Slanting and distorting facts coupled with inflaming sensitive issues is low. BBR should be ashamed. | |
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This "news" item does it's best to make it seem like the NAACP is talking out of both sides of their mouths.
The NAACP does that for themselves. Effort wasn't really required. quote:
If you read the release, the NAACP of Florida supports the bill because it increases competiton, which help to keep prices down.
It does? Surely then you can find me heaps of real Florida consumer advocates who think SB0998 was a good idea. You can't? That's because they all think it's an awful bill. quote:
What this "news" item fails to mention is that the cherry-picking provisions were taken out of the bill the NAACP supported.
Incorrect, and makes no sense. Actually, all of of the amendments concerned locals tried to include in the bill to prevent cherry picking were pulled, according to my conversations with Florida PIRG's Brad Ashwell. | |
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| Re: once again said by Karl Bode : quote:
This "news" item does it's best to make it seem like the NAACP is talking out of both sides of their mouths.
The NAACP does that for themselves. Effort wasn't really required. I'm sorry, but I can't find anything that indicates Moore's opinion is that of the entire NAACP. I wouldn't be surprised if others in the organization disagreed with him, considering conflict caused the most recent president Bruce Gordon (who, if you're keeping score, was a Verizon & CBS exec) to resign after little over a year.
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| Re: once again Greg Moore is a spokesman for the NAACP, and the executive director of the National NAACP Voter Fund, and is taking a political position in a public paper, commenting on the record on NAACP positions...
Yet you can't find anything that indicates he's speaking for the entire NAACP? I imagine yes, hopefully there are people inside the organization that understand these bills have a negative impact on deployment.
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| Re: once again said by Karl Bode :Greg Moore is a spokesman for the NAACP, and the executive director of the National NAACP Voter Fund, and is taking a political position in a public paper, commenting on the record on NAACP positions... That still doesn't make him the final say on official NAACP policy any more than an op-ed by say, John McCain or Arnold Schwarzenegger makes their single-issue opinions gospel for the entire GOP.
I should also point out that that Moore is executive director for the NAACP National Voter Fund, which is a separate entity from the NAACP.
Unless the better part of the NAACP's board goes on record to share Moore's opinion or the Association issues a statement, resolution or press release reflecting such policy, then Gregory Moore's opinions speak solely for Gregory Moore.
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| Re: once again You're splitting hairs.
He's an NAACP employee taking a political position in a public paper in order to sway voters at the behest of the NAACP. The NAACP in turn is speaking for their phone company donors, which is obvious by the network neutrality position he takes and the bizarre Google "free ride" rhetoric which only incumbents use.
Moore, an NAACP employee, tells us that "broadband in every home should remain our policy goal", yet the organization still supports "franchise reform" as a whole, and participates in a massive disinformation effort funded by incumbent phone providers.
If you want to test your theory that Moore's position isn't theirs, try getting them to publicly state that they support network neutrality laws or oppose bell franchise reform. I promise you they won't do it.....and it has nothing to do with minority concerns... | |
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| Re: once again So noting that one is head of a separate organization is "splitting hairs" now? Hm.
And, disingenuousness notwithstanding, even if one were to prove the negative of the NAACP proper sharing Moore's opinion, it would render the headline moot as the two entities would no longer be in contradiction, would they?
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So noting that one is head of a separate organization is "splitting hairs" now?
Since the NAACP National Voter fund was created by the NAACP for lobbying purposes, espouses NAACP political positions, and takes funding from the NAACP, yes, you are. | |
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| quote:
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This "news" item does it's best to make it seem like the NAACP is talking out of both sides of their mouths.
The NAACP does that for themselves. Effort wasn't really required.
Wow. Talk about an objective rational response. The previous two were right. Nowhere does Greg Moore claim to be speaking for the NAACP. Your article is very misleading and I can see why people would question it's agenda. You fail to mention that the bill passed 117-2. The Florida legislature isn't made up of 117 black members and 2 white ones. This vote was almost unanimous which shows black, white, Latino, republican and democrat voted for this. Why the need to single out the NAACP? » www.miamiherald.com/458/story/92084.htmlLike I've said numerous times in the past, no one reads the articles or researches for themselves. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but sayings it's news is bull. Unfortunately few people can tell the difference between a news article and an editorial. | |
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The previous two were right. Nowhere does Greg Moore claim to be speaking for the NAACP.
Moore is the Executive Director of the NAACP National Voter Fund, taking a political position in a major paper. Yet you don't think he's speaking on the behalf of the NAACP?
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Your article is very misleading and I can see why people would question it's agenda
You're the only one "questioning its agenda" and you work for Verizon in Texas, judging from your posting history. The NAACP is advocating broadband connections to everyone, yet supporting bills that ensure the exact opposite. I don't know, I find that worth mentioning. | |
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| Re: lies I tell you said by odreian615 :I'm black and went to some of the worst hoods in Chicago to fix peoples computers with my laptop I get on a average of ten damn wifi signals no matter how poor the the neighborhood is Well I guess that means everything is ok! | |
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| said by odreian615 :I'm black and went to some of the worst hoods in Chicago to fix peoples computers with my laptop I get on a average of ten damn wifi signals no matter how poor the the neighborhood is Yup, i dunno wtf ppl think black people dont use the internet.
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| said by odreian615 :I'm black and went to some of the worst hoods in Chicago to fix peoples computers with my laptop I get on a average of ten damn wifi signals no matter how poor the the neighborhood is The number one reason people have cable modem in the "Hood" is for online console gaming.
Also just becuase someone lives in a poor housing area does not mean that they actually are poor. African Americans tend to hold out in a nieghborhood even if it is falling. Those who do leave are labled "Sell outs" for not staying in a bad area and moving to the subss. | |
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| Re: lies I tell you said by Freezone :said by odreian615 :I'm black and went to some of the worst hoods in Chicago to fix peoples computers with my laptop I get on a average of ten damn wifi signals no matter how poor the the neighborhood is The number one reason people have cable modem in the "Hood" is for online console gaming. Also just becuase someone lives in a poor housing area does not mean that they actually are poor. African Americans tend to hold out in a nieghborhood even if it is falling. Those who do leave are labled "Sell outs" for not staying in a bad area and moving to the subss. I would have to disagree! the number one reason has to be cable tv! online gaming might be the second reason, did you ever notice the kids in the "HOOD" dance? they dance better then the dancers in the videos, and lets not talk about sports  | |
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| Re: free-ride? You have to remember, the telcos (and now, the cablecos) believe that they "own" the customer, and that content and other providers should pay extortion charges to reach the end user.
Just like the "access charges" that local telcos charge to LD companies, this is one way of getting paid twice for the same local distribution plant.
(Or, to look at it another way, it's a way of getting paid by someone else for the local distribution plant so an established ISP can undercharge its customers, thereby discouraging competition even though a new technology might be far cheaper. The newbie doesn't have the "heft" to extort kickbacks from the content providers and so can't offer the subsidized rates the established ISP can.)
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| Offensive said by snippet above :
"...The effects could be disastrous for low-income and minority communities, pricing them out of the broadband market by..."
The NAACP, once the best example of a strong "grass roots" organization that fought for the common man...of all ethnicity's, is now nothing more than another corrupt Washington lobby. Under the guise of fighting a war they won a long time ago, they have reduced themselves to poverty pimps in search of a guilt-paycheck.
I find it highly insulting this bozo correlates "low-income" and "minority" as one. If he were some right-wing neocon, I could better understand his broad brushed bigotry. He is simply looking for continued "donations" from even dumber Corporations.
I wonder if he would consider This Guy among one of the "low-income minorities" (because he describes the two as one in the same) that is lacking Internet access? | |
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If you legislate a practice that will not make money it will not get built. There was a time when the universal service at an affordable price was the law. That time is long gone.
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| Re: It's a business. said by batterup :A business has to have a return on investment or the stock holders will bail and the business will fail. If you legislate a practice that will not make money it will not get built. There was a time when the universal service at an affordable price was the law. That time is long gone. Ma Bell is dead and yet the people bitch and the US falls farther down the list of the world's networks. That's what a lot of users here fail to recognize. They seem to want something for nothing while pissing and moaning about stockholders. Those evil stockholders grease the wheels of our economy.
For some reason BBR users think stockholders are shriveled up geezers buying yachts with their money. Investors with the most say-so are the Institutional Investors investing billions of dollars for a steady reliable return. They don't understand the Major stockholders responsibility is to the people that trusted them with their money, like those in 401k plans. Earning a steady rate of return so millions of people can retire is their priority. Making sure people can get 100 Mbps symmetrical downloads on torrents is not. | |
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After long and careful study, the NAACP has determined....
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| Re: NAAWP said by Backspace :I wonder what the National Association for the Advancement of White People has to say on this matter.  They're too busy posting their "Men in Sheets" videos to GooTube. | |
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| said by Backspace :I wonder what the National Association for the Advancement of White People has to say on this matter. They were too busy giving Don Imus the "Civil Rights Activist of the Year" award.
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