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Happy 4th
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CM94sv
| The Duh factor, Again... Just a further expression of the already existing evidence that the FCC will continue to ignore while lining their pockets. Those wacky Europeans haven't a clue you know. 
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LilYoda
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Mountains
| Re: The Duh factor, Again... said by Mactron  :Those wacky Europeans haven't a clue you know. I could be mistaken, but I think one of the major members of NATO is the USA...
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Mactron
Happy 4th
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CM94sv
| Re: The Duh factor, Again... said by LilYoda :said by Mactron :Those wacky Europeans haven't a clue you know. I could be mistaken, but I think one of the major members of NATO is the USA... Yup !
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join:2000-08-12
Saint Louis, MO
| said by Mactron :Those wacky Europeans haven't a clue you know. NATO stand for
N-North
A-American
T-Treaty
O-Organization
Also as a ham radio operator. I must point out that even the National Weather service uses Ham radio to communicate with storm spotters. Here in St. Louis there call is WX0STL . Radar as advanced as it is just does not give them the clear picture of whats going on. They have a good idea but not for sure. We must protect the airwaves for this kind of emergency communication.
KC0JPD
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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| Re: The Duh factor, Again... said by gecko901 :NATO stand for N-North A-American T-Treaty O-Organization Fixed it for ya...
North Atlantic Treaty Organization
»www.nato.int/
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RayW
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| That is some heavy reading and I like the high flautin language such as "will cause unintentional RF emissions which may adversely affect the established radio noise floor directly, or by cumulative propagation from many such sources." Gee...how many anti-BPL people here have been saying that without have to spend a lot of money on a study?
But try and read the report, there is a lot of information, and I think some workarounds.
And yes, we know that some people here do not care about users of the RF spectrum, just as long as they *might* have another source of internet access.
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | Had a friend who was stationed in Germany with the USAF He got his Amateur Radio License here and got one in Germany which is not easy. The German equivalent to our FCC makes us look like crossing guards. They are very intolerant of interference. | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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Philly burbs
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| Re: Had a friend who was stationed in Germany with the USAF said by moonpuppy :He got his Amateur Radio License here and got one in Germany which is not easy. The German equivalent to our FCC makes us look like crossing guards. They are very intolerant of interference. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe as a US citizen, your buddy would obtain A US Amateur radio license, and then operate under the CEPT as a visiting operator.
Of course, I could be full of shit, since I've never operated while outside the US.
Either way, I'd love to set up a sked with him. If you hear from him, and he's interested, PM me. I'm always up for a little rag chewing on HF.
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join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: Had a friend who was stationed in Germany with the USAF There IS a license you could get as a foreigner and this was back in the 80's. Not sure why he got it but there was a reason. He did spend 9 years there.
I haven't much from him and he didn't get on HF all that much. I know I have to set up my equipment one day. | |
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| OT: radio said by GeekJedi :It could have been because his US license didn't cover the frequencies that he wanted to use in Germany. Under CEPT rules, you can only operate on the frequencies that your "home" license allows. So, if he were a tech, and wanted to go on HF (and was stationed there for several years preventing him from upgrading in the US) he'd probably have to get an upgraded license from the country in which he's operating. Anyway, I need to get on HF a bit more...I just need to get a better antenna set up, or wait for the sunspot cycle to get back up!  I think CEPT went into affect with three different mods, Nice 1985, Paris 1992, Nicosia 2003 so he may have been there before that.
According to T/R 61-01:
2.2 The licence holder shall observe the provisions of the ITU Radio Regulations, this Recommendation and the regulations in force in the country visited. Furthermore, any restrictions concerning national and local conditions of a technical nature or regarding the public authorities must be respected. Special attention should be paid to the difference in frequency allocations to the radio amateur services in the three ITU Regions. Just a small correction.
On the operating front, I am using a Buddipole with good success at 14 MHz and up. I still can't compete with the beamed 1.5 KW stations, but I have made it into the Netherlands from Utah by catching him before he was posted on the DX clusters.
It is just a matter of taking the time and not expecting to have instantaneous gratification.
And to KA3SGM , I am running up my portable station as soon as I finish this posting  .
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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Philly burbs | Re: OT: radio Nice to see so many fellow operators here on BBR.
My HF rig needs a new microphone.....
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Mactron
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CM94sv
| Re: OT: radio said by KA3SGM :....and it appears most of the HAM's are here on Broadband Reports, instead of On The Air..  73 Not all of us. I'm in the near field virtually every day !
said by N3OGH :Nice to see so many fellow operators here on BBR. My HF rig needs a new microphone.....
Hmmmm... Key broken too ?..
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Glen Burnie, MD
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| Re: So Much For HAM RADIO... said by KA3SGM :BPL interference, low solar index, greedy FCC wanting to Auction all the Spectrum it can. ....and it appears most of the HAM's are here on Broadband Reports, instead of On The Air.. 73 I'm trying but putting up antennas a mile south of a runway does have its problems.  | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY | Re: So Much For HAM RADIO... This is the reason why a couple hams I know operate HF from their cars and trucks.
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR
| Talk about taking things outside of context ... This news article gives a very misleading view of this NATO report. The brief quote attached gives the impression that it was some sort of study on the severity of interference from BPL. It was nothing of the sort (this the use of the word "may" in the quote). Note a (full) paragraph in the Conclusions:
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The cumulative noise field strength due to the PLT emissions may have a possible detrimental effect
upon military HF radio communications and COMINT systems. This is particularly the case if In-House
PLT systems should become widely popular. However, it should be noted here that the determination of
the nature and the severity of any possible detrimental effect upon the military systems was outside the
RTG’s expertise and ToR.
In other words, we have no idea how much effect, if any, there will be in these radio systems, since it's not what we set out to do.
This report is the output of a group set up to develop theoretical models and other tools for analyzing the effects of wireline communications systems, both BPL and xDSL, on HF radio communication. That's it. Playing it up as some sort of report on the severity of interference is very misleading. | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| Re: Talk about taking things outside of context ... With a handle like PDXPLT I wonder what mindset you are coming from. I have printed out the 176 page report and am going to study it, with a quick flip through the report looks technically delicious .
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join:2001-12-31
Wilkes Barre, PA | A lighter note. Do you think it was Verizon or Comcast who paid off NATO to put this report out there.
(jk of course, but I'm surprised nobody else said something like this yet) | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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| It's a given - current BPL solutions cause RF Interference ... What I don't understand is why the FCC continues to throw it's weight behind this option when nobody, even the utilities themselves, are very much for it!
It's like they want to get this "Great BPL dream alive" to show that there is/will be/one day/I have a dream broadband competition in the USA.
I mean hello, they have way better technologies and options (700 MHZ Auction, anyone? Anyone?) and yet they flog this.
I think it's because they know it's not really going anywhere but it sounds good to talk about that major 3rd broadband option.
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Pottsboro, TX
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| BPL Ok I hear that the wireless internet operators get knocked off the air when somebody turns on one of these unlicensed radios on the same channel,they have to run out and change channels to clear it up.This means your bpl internet probably will be unreliable because of interference,someone driving through the area will key up there radio and knock the internet off the air . Remember interference goes a lot farther than useful communication. | |
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So Much For HAM RADIO...