 CheesePremium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL kudos:1 | Will this be good for Americans and NBC? I don't know, but I would rather not find out. I hope this does not go through. | |
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 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: Will this be good for Americans and NBC? said by Cheese:I don't know, but I would rather not find out. I hope this does not go through. I do, there is absolutely no way this can be good for consumers! Such a merger is not in the public interest and if you think you're paying too much now then you definitely should be against such a merger because the consumer will definitely pay hugely if this merger goes through. | |
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1 edit | how are you going to pay more? More in cable bills? Comcast would be stupid to raise the rate on other cable TV providers that do not compete with them. DirecTV, DishNetwork, VZ and ATT would pay more, along with WOW, and RCN and the Munis.
Over the air customers won't pay anything, unless CC drives up the cost of ad time. That's about it.
Costing more is a moot topic. We didn't pay more when AOL merged with TW as AOL didn't own anything.
the SBC/BS merger wasn't in the publics best interest either but it happend. -- www.two-pugs.com www.2pugs.etsy.com | |
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 |  |  |  CheesePremium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL kudos:1 | Re: Will this be good for Americans and NBC? said by hottboiinnc:how are you going to pay more? More in cable bills? Comcast would be stupid to raise the rate on other cable TV providers that do not compete with them. DirecTV, DishNetwork, VZ and ATT would pay more, along with WOW, and RCN and the Munis. Over the air customers won't pay anything, unless CC drives up the cost of ad time. That's about it. Costing more is a moot topic. We didn't pay more when AOL merged with TW as AOL didn't own anything. the SBC/BS merger wasn't in the publics best interest either but it happend. Raise the rates of other companies? Either I am not reading this correctly, or something. Comcast can't raise other companies rates since they aren't Comcast. I think he is talking about paying more because of the merger. | |
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| Re: Will this be good for Americans and NBC? Comcast would control rates for other companies if they were allowed to pick up NBC. Ever heard of MSNBC? Comcast would control that as well since MSFT has nothing to do with it other than the MS brand in the name. Everything else NBC owned could go up in price for DirecTV, Dish, ATT and VZ. That is what was meant, and it does state that. -- www.two-pugs.com www.2pugs.etsy.com | |
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 |  starreemPremium join:2000-12-22 Raleigh, NC | It certainly wont be good for 30 Rock. | |
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 | | Response Given the size and scope of the proposed merged company, Comcast/NBC will have both the ability and incentive to discriminate against unaffiliated content providers such as EVERYONE ELSE. The FCC must establish firm principles of non-discrimination in the treatment of EVERYONE ELSE.
Hmm.. Sounds like they want the net neutrality law to have some teeth, AND they want a strong oversight over all price increases and costs that Comcrap/NBC will bring to the marketplace. Probably the best long to solution is to just DENY this merger in the first place. Let's do that. -- Remember 1 in 4 people are retarded. 25% of Americans are Republican. Coincidence? I don't think so. | |
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| Re: Response law? LMAO! You mean the Rule? That CC and everyone else can sue the FCC for again, due to they have no power to create such a rule.
Remember the FCC does not create laws, they create laws, which are often shot down in the courts. -- www.two-pugs.com www.2pugs.etsy.com | |
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 |  |  | | sONY sPYWARE MADE IT impossible FOR YOUR cd OR DVD TO COPY ANY DISC AFTER YOU INSERTED A SONY DISC & TRIED TO MAKE A BACKUP COPY.
tHE SOFTWARE RENDERED YOUR MACHINE IN-OPERABLE IN TERMS OF MAKING COPIES.
sony DID not INFORM CUSTOMERS OF THIS SOFTWARE THEY PUT ON THEIR SONY /bmg cd's.
Reason number #1 why most people aren't loyal to Sony anymore.
Reason #2 is how they screw over people and competition with their propritary software or hardware products which generally won't interface with other standards unless they are forced to share a market or gain entrance into that market. Remember BetaMax vs VHS , how about Blu Ray versus HDD.
Perhaps you aren't old enough to know that Sony has been in the process of molding the market so it is 'all about Sony' so they can create brand loyalty. Another example would be how certain retailers won't carry Vizio or sharp or Samsung proct lines side by side when they carry Higher priced Sony products. Reason being the Sony has created a marketing requirement agreement that won't allow the retailers to caarry the other products. Because the Sony's will get shown up and NOT be JUSTIFIED on the price points. Sony does a lot of things you don't readily see to create a market...so does Microsoft... | |
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 |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | said by Mr Matt:The worst part of their action was that the root kit was almost impossible to remove. the worst part was the rootkit was destroying hardware! -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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 | | Fixed that for you... It's not often you'll see journalists actually remember what a company has said historically on a subject in order to provide a little historical hysterical context...
A massive corporation doing a complete 180 on an issue when it becomes advantageous to do so? I'm shocked, shocked!. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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 |  | | Re: Fixed that for you... Since TKJunkmail isn't here, I'll post his response for you...
"The quotes made by the NBC lawyer are being taken totally out of context, as the left wing liberal media is wont to do. If you read the full statement, you would realize that he meant to say that the merger of a service provider and a content provider would be a 'good thing' for the customers. The threat of bad behavior by any such monopoly corporation would be held in check by customers choosing to give up their broadband connections. If they don't like the service they are getting, they can vote with their pocketbook, and cancel their service. That's how corporations are kept in line, people will stop giving them money. So if the NBC/Comcast merger results in higher prices, and limited services, people will just cancel their internet service plans to show their displeasure. True, most of them have no other option, but voting with your wallet in a monopoly situation will force the company to update it's policies. -- Remember 1 in 4 people are retarded. 25% of Americans are Republican. Coincidence? I don't think so. | |
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| Re: Fixed that for you... said by karlmarx:Since TKJunkmail isn't here, I'll post his response for you... "The quotes made by the NBC lawyer are being taken totally out of context, as the left wing liberal media is wont to do. If you read the full statement, you would realize that he meant to say that the merger of a service provider and a content provider would be a 'good thing' for the customers. The threat of bad behavior by any such monopoly corporation would be held in check by customers choosing to give up their broadband connections. If they don't like the service they are getting, they can vote with their pocketbook, and cancel their service. That's how corporations are kept in line, people will stop giving them money. So if the NBC/Comcast merger results in higher prices, and limited services, people will just cancel their internet service plans to show their displeasure. True, most of them have no other option, but voting with your wallet in a monopoly situation will force the company to update it's policies. How do "most" americans have no other option for broadband?
Last I checked, ~90% of Americans live in urban areas and are served by telephone lines and cable. Most Americans do have access to DSL and Cable. Many also have access to fiber, wimax, cellular, and satellite broadband. -- "What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning." -United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara | |
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Man, that sounds exactly what TKJunkMail would say.
that's too accurate. | |
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 |  | | said by CrazyFingers:A massive corporation doing a complete 180 on an issue when it becomes advantageous to do so? I'm shocked, shocked!. | |
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 GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium join:2001-10-29 Hollywood, FL | We've seen the future... And this is it. I predict more to come.
Honestly NBC and other broadcasters are fighting for their lives. Comcast could "partner" with NBC with Versus in the way ESPN has with ABC to bring some of that content to broadcast. Not a bad thing at all.
Comcast has it's history sure. Down here they aren't that bad. Prices go up, sure it's crap in how it's done...and they get into their wars over content with providers.
But seriously tell me where folks like DirecTV are any better when they get into pathetic bidding wars over content which ultimately screws over consumers just looking to see what they want to see.
While certainly they could throttle content and the like, sure it's a threat and a possibility....they won't get away with it too long before it's unleashed in the media.
We'll see. I know it' popular to bash them...or any megacorp in here but hey. -- TheGlobalMind.com / Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go? / Trust the instinct to the end, though you can render no reason. - Ralph Waldo Emerson / Free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity. | |
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 |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA 1 edit | Re: We've seen the future... said by GlobalMind:Honestly NBC and other broadcasters are fighting for their lives. Comcast could "partner" with NBC with Versus in the way ESPN has with ABC to bring some of that content to broadcast. Not a bad thing at all. It's not the same although Disney/ABC/ESPN which is mainly a content provider is certainly partially responsible for high cable bills. NBC/Universal owns or controls a lot more television stations than ABC and Comcast is the largest cable company in the country. This is about locking up NBC/Universal content and controlling distribution so consumers who want to view it (and even those who don't if it's bundled) have no choice but to pay monopoly prices. Like I said before there is no way this can be good for consumers or in the public interest! In fact if the FCC does its job it shouldn't let this merger go through unless NBC/Universal divests nearly all of its television stations and definitely any in markets where Comcast is the dominant cable company. | |
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 |  |  GlobalMindDomino Dude, POWER Systems GuyPremium join:2001-10-29 Hollywood, FL | Re: We've seen the future... said by Sammer:...there is no way this can be good for consumers or in the public interest! Well I'll just position it in my own selfish interests then. I want to see Versus IndyCar content pushed to broadcast because I am a fan, I care and I want more public views of that...and I want to see the ABC/ESPN relationship killed.
So if this makes that happen then cool.
I get what you're saying but "locking up" the content...that's a Disney trademark. I see this as NBC's vulnerable, Comcast has content they'd like to get that's in the NBC portfolio, and they have their own programming on Versus, Golf, E! etc which in some ways could be partnered with NBC in certain cases.
Golf Channel partners with NBC on the Masters...oh heck yea there's opportunity there and a likely relationship like the ABC/ESPN deal.
Comcast also wants revenue from both broadcast and cable revenue for the same stuff, which they'll likely get out of this.
Again I understand the consumer protection concerns, but media is consolidating more & more. Overall, there are concerns to have but I don't think they'll be quite as "the end is neigh" as some may like to make it out to be. -- TheGlobalMind.com / Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go? / Trust the instinct to the end, though you can render no reason. - Ralph Waldo Emerson / Free market capitalism is the best path to prosperity. | |
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| and the FCC has the power to make NBC give up its stations? LOL. They're already indie owned, just affiliated to carry the programming that NBC owns.
The FCC would wind up in court and over this and you would pay more (someone's gotta pay for the court time and it gets paid by taxes) when the FCC would lose. -- www.two-pugs.com www.2pugs.etsy.com | |
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 |  |  |  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: We've seen the future... said by hottboiinnc:and the FCC has the power to make NBC give up its stations? LOL. They're already indie owned, just affiliated to carry the programming that NBC owns. The FCC would wind up in court and over this and you would pay more (someone's gotta pay for the court time and it gets paid by taxes) when the FCC would lose. NBC Universal owns and operates 26 television stations including some that are in markets where Comcast is the dominant cable company such as Chicago and Philadelphia and all of them are licensed by the FCC to operate in the public interest. | |
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 |  openbox9 join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA kudos:2 | Re: Then they'll lower the cap..... They don't do that now, so I seriously doubt it will happen after Comcast owns a controlling stake of NBCU. | |
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 MTUPremium join:2005-02-15 San Luis Obispo, CA | GE for thee The 'world's largest company' (GE) will share NBC with Comcast. Nice to know that the brain-trust behind GE's ruling of the world (of course in the beep dark background) will continue with more subterfuge.
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| Re: GE for thee I think WM over powers GE in terms of size in the world.
GE does have their hands in everything but WM is most likely bigger. Actually WM probably gets their loans from GE Money just like the airlines do. -- www.two-pugs.com www.2pugs.etsy.com | |
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Like Democrats maybe?
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