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The guy's a retiring senator. He apparently has no problem screwing over his constituents one last time for a huge payoff in the end. I wonder what kind of massive bribe the telecoms are offering him. I would like to see this kind of behavior punished with jailtime. | |
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1 edit | Re: dbag! said by sonicmerlin:said by Tlamming:How can this guy do something like this and expect to get voted for again? Read the full summary at least... jeez. The guy's a retiring senator. He apparently has no problem screwing over his constituents one last time for a huge payoff in the end. I wonder what kind of massive bribe the telecoms are offering him. I would like to see this kind of behavior punished with jailtime. The other Senators & Reps, who are running for office again, must still vote for this to be a law. So the fact that the guy introducing the bill is not running for reelection is a minor inconsequential fact.
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1 edit | Jail? I want this guy up against the wall for a firing squad or at minimum for voters to pelt him with rotten tomatoes. | |
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| | | He's not running again. So he can't or won't be voted in again.
If the telco and cable industry doesn't want to build something then they have no say in telling the cities they can't build. | |
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: dbag! Yes and in 6 months it will be; We are please to announce Senator David Hoyle will become part of the ...................(fill in the blank), for..........Pick a TelCo/CableCo.
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| | | this ass must be getting a payoff and it would be great if that were made public. | |
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Madison, AL | WOW! Just WOW! How can this guy do this? What are the legal options for the people of NC? Can they boot his ass out before he gets his friends what they want? | |
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| | | Re: WOW! Their only option is to call other members of the state legislature and tell them they don't want this bill passed. No reason to call this clown, since he is retiring after his term is up and won't care what anyone but his telecom buddies think. | |
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kudos:4 |  Basic idea of law is correct - voters must approve financing
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On the surface, getting public approval for municipal broadband isn’t a bad idea — no local government official expecting to win re-election would ever proceed on such projects without voter support.
And the main objection of "Stop the Cap" to democracy is that the voters are stupid and the telcos & cable will fool them in to not voting for a municipal project. quote:
A well-funded opposition campaign to demagogue the project. Local cable companies can insert an unlimited number of free ads during every advertising break to slam the proposal. Phone companies can release a blizzard of opposition mailers to convince consumers it’s as scary as Halloween — all tricks and no treats. How can a local city or county government respond to the misinformation barrage? They can’t.
The translation is voters are stupid and can't be trusted. I guess "Stop the Cap" is all for making sure the citizens don't get to vote on spending their tax dollars.
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Ashburn, VA | Re: Basic idea of law is correct - voters must approve financing While I didn't read any more than the summary, it was mentioned that many of these community fiber projects were privately funded. These projects should not be impacted by government financing and tax dollars. It sounds like a consolidation of private citizens wishing to spend their own money to have fiber brought to their homes. | |
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Rochester, NY | Wow... MMH managed to mischaracterize just about everything I wrote in the piece. Let's correct the record:
1) Nobody advocates anyone ram through muni broadband projects local citizens don't want. Least of all elected officials. If they tried, they'd be booted out in the next election. However, these referendums are built to be one-sided. Providers can spend unlimited amounts of money to fight them while local governments are specifically banned from fighting back. It's like running an election campaign where one candidate gets to spend unlimited sums of money while the opponent is banned from spending a nickle. That's a fair fight, right?
2) Voters aren't stupid, but they have lives and don't have time to check out the veracity of every opponent's claims to determine if they are true or not. Many voters will wonder if they weren't true, why aren't local officials responding equally loudly to the lies and distortions, without ever realizing they can't.
In a fair fight, the best ideas win. In an unfair one, money wins. Guess whose money is being used to fight the fight?
3) What tax dollars? The majority of these projects don't cost taxpayers a penny. If the financing isn't there, there is no broadband project to construct.
If you faced referendums everytime a system needed repairs, as is called for in Hoyle's draft bill, would you even begin to build one?
The record has been assembled and is crystal clear -- these bills are incumbent provider protection policies, usually written by them and introduced by friendly elected officials. Fairness is the least thing on their mind.
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| | | | Re: Basic idea of law is correct - voters must approve financing said by Dampier:Wow... MMH managed to mischaracterize just about everything I wrote in the piece. This surprises you? | |
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kudos:4 | said by Dampier:Wow... MMH managed to mischaracterize just about everything I wrote in the piece. You mean like mischaracterizing what the bill will do:
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# The legislation could be interpreted to demand a public referendum if your service goes out. Can you wait until the next election to get back your cable service?
# If a municipal broadband fiber cable falls in your backyard, does it make a sound? It won’t, but you will when you learn that cable might not be reattached to the pole until the whole town holds a referendum about it;
Like either of those actions would be even remotely possible.
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You mean like mischaracterizing what the bill will do
I'll let Dampier defend his own comments, but your attempt to sidestep his own dissection of your lies and deceit is rather pathetic.
MMH, can't you even make a half-hearted attempt to defend your original claims, or at least admit you were lying? | |
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"A local government may not enter into a contract under this section to purchase, or finance, or refinance the purchase of property for use in an external communications system or to finance finance or refinance the construction or repair of fixtures or improvements for use in an external communications system." | |
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kudos:1 | I think you are misunderstanding the "They can't" part.
Governments in North Carolina are barred from advocating for GO bonds in elections. They literally can do nothing. | |
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Glen Head, NY | Idiot This "lawmaker" needs to receive a wakeup call as to who he truly represents. The term d__chebag comes to mind. I hope he gets smacked down and down hard.
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| | | Re: Idiot He isn't running for re-election, so he doesn't care what the voters think. My guess is that his payoff will be a nice lobbying job with one of these companies after he retires. | |
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Ellicott City, MD | Lame And we always wonder why the US is behind in broadband speed and deployment  This is just sad. | |
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kudos:1 | get rid of him Why haven't we started hanging idiots like this that have clearly sold out to either another country or a company of interest? Anything that cause's more technological regression on purpose should be treason.. We are falling way behind as it is! | |
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Cheyenne, WY | Pay me and I am yours
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Suwanee, GA | Politicians We must limit politicians to two terms:
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| Re: Politicians said by samo300:We must limit politicians to two terms: One in office and One in jail. Agreed, but that goes for Republicans, Independant & Tea Party Muck Rakers as well. That means Bloomberg should be serving life in a majority minority population jail for the blatant line-item vetoing (not really, but) the city government constitution & getting a 3rd term. | |
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Mechanicsville, VA | Re: Politicians said by tmc8080:said by samo300:We must limit politicians to two terms: One in office and One in jail. Agreed, but that goes for Republicans, Independant & Tea Party Muck Rakers as well. That means Bloomberg should be serving life in a majority minority population jail for the blatant line-item vetoing (not really, but) the city government constitution & getting a 3rd term. Was there really a need for pointing out specific parties that you are apparently opposed to when the OP clearly stated "politicians" which covers all parties.
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Charlotte, NC | Cover more area I don't have a problem with a government run system if they include the entire county. When just a small city/town like Wilson only does fiber within the city limits that just ends any chance for those outside the city limits will even get any broadband service except maybe cell phone.
Think of all the complaints about the cable companies that stopped their line a few hundred feet from your home. The reason people in the rural areas get phone service at the same rate as in the city is from the profits of the city subscribers.
It is going to be harder to build fiber because so many landlines are being dropped for just cell phones. The more customers that share the cost means more customers get service and at a cheaper price. The same goes for supplying power. The phone and power networks were not built in a decade. Many of the upgrades stopped when the phone companies were forced to breakup and share their network infrastructure.
Municipal fiber is great if you get it but not so great if you are outside the service area. | |
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| | More BS As a NC resident this guy infuriates me. It also proves that its not just one part or the other that has greedy corrupt politicians. Both parties are BS now and useless. I wish there was a way to kick him out of office before he retires. | |
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| | It's over Well, I used to come here to DSL/BRoadband to get a decent REPORTING of Internet related news. But it seems as if it's succumbed to being a one sided "screw the companies that spent billions to bring High Speed Internet" slap fest..
Oh well.
You do realize KARL, that the Government didn't build out High Speed internet? They sure could have done that a long time ago. And you could be paying for it the rest of your life.
Never mind that at&t, Time Warner, Comcast, Verizon, etc etc etc have spent billions of dollars developing the hardware, coming up with maintenance plans, and they keep developing new ways to increase speeds.
You're so called "reporting" has become one sided without having a clue how much money Verizon for instance, has put on the line without really knowing if Fios would sell.
It's all well and easy to sit at your computer and spew out anti-ISP stuff when you have NEVER built out one foot of cable to connect a community. | |
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