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While the major labels have had trouble adjusting to how broadband & piracy changed their business model, Nine Inch Nails front man Trent Reznor hasn't. To tell the backstory and generate excitement for their last album, Year Zero, the band used fake government websites, fake revolutionaries, fake crackpots and fake companies. They also leaked DRM-free tracks to fans (some of them in formats allowing for remixing by sequencing software) and ultimately offered the album for free -- none of which their label liked.

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Reznor is back again, and is now offering the first part of his latest album, Ghosts, for free download via the band's website. The band's server seems to be struggling from the strain, but they've already uploaded the first nine songs to BitTorrent trackers for free (Amazon also has it). The band, now freshly untethered from a traditional record label, has this to say in liner notes of the latest release:
"Now that we’re no longer constrained by a record label, we’ve decided to personally upload Ghosts I, the first of the four volumes, to various torrent sites, because we believe BitTorrent is a revolutionary digital distribution method, and we believe in finding ways to utilize new technologies instead of fighting them. . . We encourage you to share the music of Ghosts I with your friends, post it on your website, play it on your podcast, use it for video projects, etc. It's licensed for all non-commercial use under Creative Commons.
Like most bands, the group previously made the majority of their revenue from touring and merchandising, turning the albums into little more than promotional material -- the revenue from which went to the label. Without a label, the band is obviously taking that revenue (assuming people pay) directly. The go on in the liner notes to urge users who like the product to pay for it ($5 download, $10 CD, or more expensive deluxe editions).

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Hell Yes

Trent is the man. I hope the trend continues.
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Artists for bittorrent?!

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Waiting...

...for the NIN tour bus to "mysteriously" crash killing all those aboard.
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Re: Waiting...

said by Raptor See Profile :

...for the NIN tour bus to "mysteriously" crash killing all those aboard.
And the brake fluid to be on the hands of an RIAA exec?

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Re: Waiting...

Nope, "conveniently" found on the hands of The Pirate Bay operators....despite the fact they're a continent away. But surprise witness Ted Stevens would explain they used the a dumptruck to plan and orchestrate their caper.

Their getaway vehicle? The 'tubes', which were unclogged during the time of their sabotage allowing for a quick escape.
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Why not

I tried to buy it this morning but the servers were too slow...I'm buying it because he included the FLAC version as well. Not too much of a fan but you can't beat $5, and the innovative approach!
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Re: Why not

Amazon's carrying it as well--for the same price. Though it appears to be only in MP3 format from there.

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Re: Why not

said by fireflier See Profile :

Amazon's carrying it as well--for the same price. Though it appears to be only in MP3 format from there.
Ya, MP3. I bought it from Amazon.

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This will work

I think what's important is that NIN, apparently, has an actual business model that allows this method of distribution. They aren't just giving it away and hoping for the best.

I'm not a big NIN fan, but I really like what Trent is doing with this.
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Re: This will work

We'll see if his business plan is worth anything when his "fans" start making the 27 songs he hasn't given away for free available thru the Pirate Bay.

»www.news.com/8301-10784_3-988418···1_3-0-20
Nine Inch Nails, continued his foray into self-distribution by releasing a 36-track instrumental album over the Internet.

Reznor is giving away the first nine songs of the album for free.

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Re: This will work

said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

We'll see if his business plan is worth anything when his "fans" start making the 27 songs he hasn't given away for free available thru the Pirate Bay.

»www.news.com/8301-10784_3-988418···1_3-0-20
Nine Inch Nails, continued his foray into self-distribution by releasing a 36-track instrumental album over the Internet.

Reznor is giving away the first nine songs of the album for free.
Perhaps his business plan does not involve greed.
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Lets see: still makes millions upon millions from film licensing, merchandising, and concerts, while he gets direct revenue from whomever buys the album instead of the small amount he received from the labels.

Even if only ten thousand of his millions of fans buy the album, I think he'll do ok. Piracy means that albums have become promotional material for artist brands, essentially, with real revenue coming elsewhere.

With the added bonus of myopic old executives without vision, terrified of taking risks, convinced that scorched earth legal tactics are how you run a business -- getting cut out of the revenue stream.

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Re: This will work

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

With the added bonus of myopic old executives without vision, terrified of taking risks, convinced that scorched earth legal tactics are how you run a business -- getting cut out of the revenue stream.
Karl, that made me all warm and fuzzy inside!

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As the article stated, the majority of income was derived from tours and t-shirts, not CD sales.

If they make 15% of sales via people paying for download, CD or "bonus content" its still 14% or more than they would have made partnered to a label.

The business model is to make money the honest way. Working for it through touring and merchandise.
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Re: This will work

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As the article stated, the majority of income was derived from tours and t-shirts, not CD sales.

No. That is what Karl said, not NIN. Any proof of where their income comes from?
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March 3rd, @01:48PM

Re: This will work

»www.economist.com/business/displ···=9443082

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Indeed. Seven years ago musicians derived two-thirds of their income, via record labels, from pre-recorded music, with the other one-third coming from concert tours, merchandise and endorsements, according to the Music Managers Forum, a trade group in London. But today those proportions have been reversed—cutting the labels off from the industry's biggest and fastest-growing sources of revenue. Concert-ticket sales in North America alone increased from $1.7 billion in 2000 to over $3.1 billion last year, according to Pollstar, a trade magazine.

Frustrated record companies have responded by trying to get their artists to spend more time promoting records and less time touring and endorsing products, says Jeanne Meyer of EMI, another big record label. “Sometimes you've got a tug of war going on,” she says. Yet the more labels spend on marketing pre-recorded music, the more they raise their artists' profiles and boost their other, more lucrative, sources of income. Pre-recorded music, no longer the main cash cow, increasingly serves merely as a marketing tool for T-shirts and concert tickets. The best seats for The Police's world tour this summer cost over $900; the group's entire catalogue on CD costs less than $100.
»www.forbes-global.com/forbes/200···int.html

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A new group typically gets only 14% of a CD's wholesale price, and even that cut dwindles to a third of that once the company deducts promotional fees. . . Performers frequently moan about never seeing a royalty check from their record label, no matter how many discs they sell. But a top concert draw can take home 35% of the night's gate and up to 50% of the dollar flow from merchandise sold at the show. The labels get none of it.
Now, at least as a big act, imagine cutting the label out of that process entirely.

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Re: This will work

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

»www.forbes-global.com/forbes/200···int.html

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A new group typically gets only 14% of a CD's wholesale price, and even that cut dwindles to a third of that once the company deducts promotional fees. . . Performers frequently moan about never seeing a royalty check from their record label, no matter how many discs they sell. But a top concert draw can take home 35% of the night's gate and up to 50% of the dollar flow from merchandise sold at the show. The labels get none of it.
Now, at least as a big act, imagine cutting the label out of that process entirely.
But the labels aren't stupid. If you are a noname, nobody band, you need a label to get known. And the labels now are demanding a different contract:
»www.economist.com/business/displ···=9443082
Record labels have come up with a remedy: the “360° contract”. Instead of settling for a cut of CD sales, they increasingly offer artists broader contracts that encompass live music, merchandise and endorsement deals.

Musicians with small fan bases and little business experience are much more receptive to the idea of 360° deals. There is no shortage of aspiring artists, and some will become big names. Juha Ruusunen, the founder of TWU, a small management agency for heavy-metal bands based in Jyväskylä, Finland, says European labels have begun to sign up new talent with 360° contracts.
So, the old well known names can make out. Newer groups will sell their soul for long term contracts where the labels get a bigger cut of all the ancillary income.
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Re: This will work

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If you are a noname, nobody band, you need a label to get known.
Do you?

Starting to see these groups (Pearl Jam, Jack Johnson and NIN come to mind), taking new artists in under their wing and pushing out product under their own "labels" (the semantic definition of which isn't the point) focused on artists. Nobody had ever heard of Saul Williams six months ago until Reznor promoted him.

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Re: This will work

said by Karl Bode See Profile :

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If you are a noname, nobody band, you need a label to get known.
Do you?
Absolutely.
said by Karl Bode See Profile :

Starting to see these groups (Pearl Jam, Jack Johnson and NIN come to mind), taking new artists in under their wing and pushing out product under their own labels. "Nobody" had ever heard of Saul Williams six months ago until Reznor promoted him.
Emphasis mine. Saul Williams still needed a label to become known. In this case, it was Trent Reznor's label.

The Internet has been part of the mainstream for quite sometime now. However, we still have yet to see any act go from nothing to something without a label.
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Re: This will work

said by pnh102 See Profile :

The Internet has been part of the mainstream for quite sometime now. However, we still have yet to see any act go from nothing to something without a label.
yet
Personally I think we'll start to see more start to make it on their own as they start to learn how to really use the resources available.

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Re: This will work

said by Armaina See Profile :

yet
I'm certainly not dismissing the possibility. I'm just surprised it has taken so long for it to happen.

I still think that labels are relevant, even if selling CDs is no longer going to be their core business. Someone has to promote an act, after all.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

However, we still have yet to see any act go from nothing to something without a label.
Not sure how popular she is in the states, but I think that's more or less what Lily Allen has done in Europe...
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Allen

She had a first label contract, that got her nowhere. She then got another one that got her £25000, but no help to make the album or promote it. She then gained exposure by posting her music on her MySpace page.

I do agree that it is an exception, and not the norm
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Check out eMusic.com and AmieStreet.com. There are a lot of bands out there that aren't selling their souls to get a big recording contract. Sites like this don't require the artist to give up copyright ownership and don't take as large a chunk of the music sales. As time progresses, this model will become more and more popular for musicians. Record Labels (as they exist now) are on their way out and the artists will be better off overall for it.
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As one that both studied Recording Industry and works in the industry, I can tell you that Karl is right. CD's are nothing more than promotional material to an artist, if they are signed to a label. The label makes most of the money in that situation, and the artist makes money from touring and licensing. That's why most songwriters have their own publishing "company" for their music.
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said by TK Junk Mail See Profile :

We'll see if his business plan is worth anything when his "fans" start making the 27 songs he hasn't given away for free available thru the Pirate Bay.
Whatever it is, its clearly profitable enough for him to be doing it again.

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I'm another person who isn't a fan of NIN, mainly because I just haven't heard much of their music. But I ponied up the $5 for the Amazon download just to support their approach to marketing their music. And if I like their music (which from the samples I heard, I think I will), I'm quite willing to continue supporting them in this fashion.

I'd rather be supporting the artists this way, with them getting the bulk of the income, rather than the record companies, which I think have stagnated and are mainly concerned with retaining power and their jobs. I don't have issues with P2P sharing because I think that it more often than not broadens the audience for a lot of artists, and introduces people to genres they may not have listened to before. And if the bulk of the artists' income derives from concerts and merchandising, then as was mentioned by others the music is a marketing tool and it makes sense to explore methods to get noticed in as wide a venue as possible.
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Like the music, like the band, like BitTorrent...

Like the music, like the band, like BitTorrent, and I am going to seed it.

All around, good stuff...

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Re: Like the music, like the band, like BitTorrent...

said by Nsane_iceman See Profile :

Like the music, like the band, like BitTorrent, and I am going to seed it.

All around, good stuff...
I agree on all counts. Reznor is the man -- I can't wait to see NIN in concert!

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Re: Like the music, like the band, like BitTorrent...

never really been a new age rock fan, or a rock fan at all, but I do listen to everything... and I'll seed the torrent just because I like the reasonings behind seeding it...


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Finally!

I will dl and pay just to stick it up to the labels and prove a point that they are not needed anymore, that goes for the RIAA, MPAA, MAFIAA and CRIA
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Yes!

KICKASS!!! I knew Trent would give his next album out for free.
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Problem with downloaded zip file

zip file is corrupt!

Should have used a self-extracting archive.

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The trolls

I wonder what the pro-big business and label trolls are gonna say about this, especially Taylor Troll

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Yeah, their servers are being hammered right now

Got it through Amazon. VBR MP3, still $5. This is a pretty damn good album, too.

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Got it through Amazon. VBR MP3, still $5. This is a pretty damn good album, too.
I'm listening to all four currently. I'm about halfway through so far -- awesome stuff! Dunno about you, but I loved Year Zero as well.

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Wave of the future?

Perhaps if this is successful, then other bands will break from their labels, and handle it themselves. Like they said, the real money is made at shows. If the band can eliminate the label, and make it work, I'm sure others will follow. I'm no real NIN fan, but even I'd think of supporting them, if only to make the point.

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Re: Wave of the future?

Yeah, in the digital age, it's a lot easier to promote and sell music for yourself, there's almost no reason for a label anymore.

And well, Trent knows all too well how Labels like to screw over their own artists, and even proved it when the label wouldn't even allow him to distribute his own music the way he wanted.

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For an established band....

This is a good thing. NIN spent time under the labels for a reason, because they were an unknown. Now, they are taking advantage of their popularity by releasing their album to Bittorrent.

I am an avid supporter of intellectual property rights and protecting those rights. That being said, I like what Trent is doing here. Before, he was making little to no money off of CD sales. Now, he is making good money off them. Even if some people don't pay a cent for it, and some people will, they will still make more than they ever did under the record labels.

This is all dependent on how popular you are of course. If some unknown band tried doing this, they wouldn't make much if any at all. Lets face facts here, the RIAA knows how to market music. If you are a good band and want to get your name out there, the RIAA will do it.

The success stories of the Barenaked Ladies and NIN are just the start. I feel more popular artists will start going this route as time goes on. The bands who are just starting out would be better off going the route of signing with a record label for faster success.
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Re: For an established band....

I agree, and even at $5 some people just for security's sake will buy for $5 just to avoid being caught by the policing ISP, viruses that may be attached to a compressed album on a torrent site, for $5 you avoid all the hassles.

The fact they could do it without the labels and make money sounds like they figured out who the problem was.

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said by Nightfall See Profile :

NIN spent time under the labels for a reason, because they were an unknown.
Funny thing is, I got latched onto NiN music before they boke out. Friend of mine went to cali for a while, came back had a dubbed audio casset, said we needed to listed to this music, as it was the next best thing and a great album... We listen, loved it, made copies of it.

Little bit later they broke. The Labels had nothing to with me finding them, if an artist has good music it will spread and catch on its own... this concept is the very thing (world of mouth, illicit copies) the RIAA is afraid of on CD/DVD/the Net, yet it got me listening to NiN and I bought the CD couple yeard later.

Nowadays... I will not buy a CD (RIAA you can thank Sony for that). I will buy this, because I like NiN, the price is right, and hell even if I didn't like the music, I would probably still buy it to cast a "vote" for how it should be done.
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hehe

It's kind of funny to see Reznor receive the adoration of the masses for sticking it to "the man" (i.e. evil record labels). We're talking about a guy who is already very wealthy, poised to make even more money -- and rightly so. He creates music that people want enough to trade their money in for it.

However, when it's a corporation doing the same thing, all we hear about is "oh, the greed", "those filthy suits", and all the other nonsense.

Wonder if the next NIN concert will be $10 a seat as well?

And what about bands that don't already have millions in the bank and existing royalty structures for residual income? There's a reason why musicians have signed with labels and promoters over the years, and there are plenty of wealthy musicians out there, so obviously some part of it works.

I'm not saying companies don't frequently do idiotic things, but it's not because of their inherent evil-ness -- it's because they're often run by idiots.

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Damn Right!

Since I am on Comcast, I'll just light this torrent up on my server on Embarq!
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NIN site downloads broken..

I love this distro model, it's fantastic and great for use music lovers to get our feet wet on a new release, then perhaps purchase the enhanced versions if we like it.

BUT, I attempted to get this freebie 4 times from the NIN site... each time the zip / download either dropped (went into 'error') or the zip file was corrupted and unusable..

finally I went and got the torrent and it took about 4 mins to get these songs (no pdf or additional includes, like the icons and stuff, but oh well.. )

either they're getting hammered and the servers can't hang or they've not planed for this too well.. heh..
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Kuddos

Thanks for the news. I love NIN and was wondering if Trent was going to do anything with all the "download my music" speeches he has apparently been giving at all his concerts
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Kudos to Reznor

I think it is great that Trent Reznor, not unlike his band's music, is being innovative. He has turned something that most artists loathe into a vehicle for promotion and ultimately financial gain. Who would have thought something like BitTorrent could ever provide that. While I don't believe this is something that any musician, band, artist, etc. could just do and be successful, his status, name, and reputation allow him to be creative and think outside the box. I think his approach had just as much of a chance to fail, and fail miserably, as it did to be successful. I'm obviously glad it worked out and hopefully he can be a model for other musicians to follow. Actions like these yield change. In the end, this can only be good for us, the consumer, and the people who create the music we like. Huge applause for Trent Reznor.

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So who's next?

OK all you artists, NIN is doing this and it's working well and they're making mad bank. Now how about more popular artists start doing the same? To popular artists everywhere, this is your chance to make more money than ever before, cut out the guys that have been screwing you over since the beginning, and make your fans even happier! So get on it!
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Only very famous musicians can survive on this "business pla

The venues don't pay enough for musicians who aren't famous (regardless of quality; there are some brilliant ones out there) to survive on performances alone. NIN is recommending a business model that will kill up-and-coming bands -- that is, their competition.

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Re: Only very famous musicians can survive on this "business pla

Not if those up and coming bands start releasing their stuff just like NIN is - downloadable for a fair price.

And I hardly see bands as "competition;" it's not like they are utilities providing a service and you can only choose one. Most people own media from several different bands. Even if you like and own all of NINs CDs, nothing stops you from also owning other band's CDs.
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