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NSA Coziness May Hinder AT&T European Expansion
by Karl Bode 04:41PM Friday Nov 01 2013
Before there was Edward Snowden there was AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein, who revealed in 2007 that AT&T was effectively letting the NSA clone every shred of data (AT&T's or anybody else's) that touched their network. While AT&T has been rather quiet during the recent NSA kerfuffle, there's likely not a company around that has been more cooperative with the government's wholesale surveillance ambitions, going so far as to even advise government on how best to break wiretap and privacy law.

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AT&T has long since been given immunity for their behavior by the government, though the company's cooperation may have them paying the price in terms of AT&T's reported interest in expanding into Europe. According to the Wall Street Journal, an already annoyed Europe isn't too keen on making friends with AT&T at the moment:
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German and other European officials said any attempt by AT&T to acquire a major wireless operator would face intense scrutiny, given the company's work with the U.S. agency's data-collection programs. Resistance to such a deal, voiced by officials in interviews across Europe, suggests the impact of the NSA affair could extend beyond the diplomatic sphere and damage U.S. economic interests in key markets.
The heightened concerns come at a bad time for AT&T, who is said to be accelerating their effort to acquire the wireless assets of Vodafone. It's likely international outrage could wane over time, but this is notable for being the first real price of any kind AT&T might have to pay for going well above and beyond in wholesale surveillance cooperation.

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rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

2 recommendations

Partners in Spying

They really put their foot in it. It's so obvious AT&T will feed the NSA whatever they want and if the European Union believes AT&T if they say "oh no we won't" then they're idiots.

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

1 recommendation

Payback Is A Bitch

AT&T couldn't do enough to ingratiate themselves with the government and domestic spying. Now perhaps there will finally be some payback courtesy of the EU telling them to go take a hike (along with any company that couldn't do enough to cooperate). Personally I think the term "collaborator" may be more appropriate especially considering what it means to the French.
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cb14

join:2013-02-04
Miami Beach, FL

Re: Payback Is A Bitch

Hit them in the pocket. Much better than whining and complaining.

battleop

join:2005-09-28
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Re: Payback Is A Bitch

It's easier and more convenient to whine and complain than it is to really do something about it. This site is full of people who would rather complain about at&t instead of leaving them.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.

cb14

join:2013-02-04
Miami Beach, FL

Re: Payback Is A Bitch

Huh? I have ATT VDSL, because Concast is even worse, but that's it.

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

1 recommendation

Re: Payback Is A Bitch

I didn't say everyone. There are a lot of people here who will bitch about Comcast but when it comes down to it they are not willing to make a sacrifice such as going with something that's a little more expensive or a little slower. Instead they will make the claim that their is no other choice available and tell us that if they could they would but they don't. So they just continue to bitch and whine instead of showing them in the only way that large providers understand which is a vote with their wallet.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
Timmn

join:2000-04-23
Tinley Park, IL
There are many people in my situation where the "last mile" to my house is owned by either Comcast or AT&T. In my case, the only reason I went with AT&T is because I felt they were "less evil".

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

Re: Payback Is A Bitch

Satellite, wireless, WISP etc... There are alternatives. Large companies don't respond to whining and complaining. They respond to numbers and revenue. You can complain all you want but paying your bill lets them know that they can keep on doing what they are.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.

cb14

join:2013-02-04
Miami Beach, FL
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Re: Payback Is A Bitch

Satellite is miserable and fully useless for VOIP, wireless data are extremely expensive and a far worse rip off . you just have to take the least evil. Voting with your wallet is a great thing, but sometimes there are simply no good choices left in a corrupt, deteriorated system with no meaningful regulation.

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

Re: Payback Is A Bitch

" useless for VOIP,"

Absolutely not true. I spent 2 weeks at a very remote site with only a Hughes net connection. I used a Cisco 7921 Wifi phone as my primary phone on many calls that were 1 hour + without trouble.
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I do not, have not, and will not work for AT&T/Comcast/Verizon/Charter or similar sized company.
Timmn

join:2000-04-23
Tinley Park, IL
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I have to agree with cb14 on Satellite, it is miserable, my Sister has Exceed, it's expensive, and the data cap is so low about the only thing she can do with it is check her email, and from the little I've researched into wireless and WISP, I found they have data caps as well. That's why I'm on U-Verse, as much as I dislike AT&T, they don't have data caps (yet), and don't get me started on Comcast, I could write a book about why I hate them.
jorcmg

join:2002-10-24
USA

second price

Karl, its the second price AT&T will pay. First was the 5 billion lost on the TMO deal that they likely thought they bought with these favors.
marctronixx

join:2003-09-08
Los Angeles, CA

1 recommendation

Everyone has a price...

Or in this case, pounds...

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: Everyone has a price...

Or Euros...

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

Ah some good news for once.

Nice.

I love justice.
openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2

Re: Ah some good news for once.

What justice is this exactly? Seems more like ignorance than anything. Perhaps the EU forgot that AT&T is a global company with infrastructure already deep behind their walls...and connecting Europe to the rest of the world? Outrage about acquiring a european wireless carrier is much to do about nothing.

battleop

join:2005-09-28
00000

Re: Ah some good news for once.

You forget that the media that covers technology needs controversy and negativity to attract readers to drive their ad revenues. This is perfect fodder for the media that covers tech. It's weeks to months of repetitive and unoriginal reporting.
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openbox9
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Germany
kudos:2

Re: Ah some good news for once.

I've not forgotten about the motives of the world's media. That doesn't change the EU's political grandstanding about aggressively reviewing AT&T's potential to acquire a native wireless provider, or everyone in this thread that seems to believe this is a justified payback for AT&T's activities over the last several years.

KrK
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There should be consequences for acting like Douchebags.

I wouldn't trust at&t to look after any of my interests. Neither should they.
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openbox9
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join:2004-01-26
Germany
kudos:2

Re: Ah some good news for once.

You say douchebag, your nation say patriot. Who do you think wins this?

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK

Re: Ah some good news for once.

The true Patriots. (Hint: Not the ones you refer to as "your nation.")

verolom

join:2002-03-23
Reston, VA

The lesser of two evils

Ah yeah! It will be much better for the Europeans if a Russian or a Chinese consortium starts buying telecom systems. There will be no spying for political or economic gains then whatsoever, and their sovereignty will be preserved.

rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

Re: The lesser of two evils

What makes you think Russia or China want to invest in cellular networks in Europe. By the way Russia is no longer a Communist nation. Just saying. China? Don't eat any food products from that country. Poison.

anonome

@verizon.net

Once a collaborator...

always a collaborator.

Probitas

@teksavvy.com

looks good on them

When you jump into bed with the Devil, you always end up paying the price.
megarock

join:2001-06-28
Catawissa, MO
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Gee...

Why should this surprise anyone. AT&T has been in the back pocket of the government for years...decades. That's how they got their virtual monopoly over phone service for almost 100 years with little to no competition. It's how they can write legislations that only benefit them and squash competitors. It's how they get any thing they want. Now we know how they paid back Uncle Sam for all the hard work they did for them.