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join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX | My non gps phone Guess that I will keep my non-gps phone for a while. It does all I want, i.e. make and receive calls. "They" may know what tower I use, but that is it. | |
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tiger72
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | Re: My non gps phone many phones have very simple gps implementations that can be tracked. Every phone can be triangulated to within 1/2 a mile easily. Download google maps for mobile to see google maps triangulate your position. Works best when you're moving... | |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY | Unless your phone is more than 3 years old, it likely has a GPS chip in it. All cell phones are required to provide some sort of location based services for E911, and GPS is the most widely used in the US. | |
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join:2001-08-19
Austin, TX | Re: My non gps phone It is more than 3 years old and works just fine, no GPS. Within 1/2 mile is a lot of space in my current city. | |
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Bobcat
Cablevision sucks donkey balls
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join:2001-02-04
Bedminster, NJ
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| Re: My non gps phone I have a non-GPS Kyocera 2235 that was made in 2002. | |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
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| Re: My non gps phone said by iLive4Apple  :said by wifi4milez :said by Austinloop :It is more than 3 years old and works just fine, no GPS. Within 1/2 mile is a lot of space in my current city. What specific phone is it? Some phones have had GPS chips in them (Nextel for example) since 2002. GSM phones don't even need GPS at all. They use TDOA triangulation for 911. My AT&T LG CU515 which i got this year has no GPS chip. My Sprint and Nextel phone however does. But AT&T and T-Mobile don't use GPS to determine 911 location Thats a broad, but incorrect statement. Some GSM handsets use TDOA, while others use GPS. Still others use AoA technology to determine your location. It all depends on the manufacturer and how they designed the phone.
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join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | Re: My non gps phone you should also be worried if the hooker has a cell phone. maybe hers has a GPS chip in it. you should probably add that to your question list for future hookers. | |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | What they'll find from my GPS location is that I'm a lazy mofo that never leaves the fort  | |
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texans20
Weapons of Masturbation
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join:2002-09-28
Texas!
clubs: | Election Obama will fix this. [/sarcasm] | |
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tiger72
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Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | Re: Election Yeah he hasn't said a thing about privacy rights... | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Election He hasn't said a thing about anything.
But he did manage a flip flop by voting for telecom immunity after he said he would vote against it. | |
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join:2002-04-10 | Re: Election McCain did the same thing jester. He swore up and down it was a violation of American's rights to allow such immunity to pass... then he staffed himself with telco execs and had change of heart.. Both are idiots. | |
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join:2006-04-14
Carlsbad, NM | Re: Election It's time to stop voting Democrat or Republican!!!
Both parties have sold their souls to the corporations. | |
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join:2002-09-12
Jackson, MI | Re: Election If other parties get big the corporations will buy them too. | |
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join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
| said by jarthur31 :It's time to stop voting Democrat or Republican!!! Both parties have sold their souls to the corporations. (smacks forehead) Wow, what a great idea! I can piss my vote away and watch in horror as either candidate wins as my-pissed-away-vote for Capt. Henry Diddlestick siphons support away from either major candidate. Good times! For historical clarity, Wikipedia either John Anderson, Ross Perot, or Ralph Nader, and watch the mathematical trump the political!
All sarcasm aside, that's a pretty stupid idea this late in the election process, unless you plan on staying home this election day. | |
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join:2002-04-10
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| Re: Election The real thing is Americans need to stop being a LAZY BUNCH and start holding politicians accountable. It doesn't matter who wins. What matters is we're so disenfranchised, we have let these corrupt NITWITS run things into the ground at our experience. Even if a 3rd party were to get elected, they'd become like the other two in no time. What needs to be done to instill change is the American Public SCREAM, KICK (not literally)YELL, and SHOW UP AT DOORSTEPS every time these guys have legislation that is BAD for Americans. WE as a people need to be involved. Unfortunately, only 30 percent of us vote. Then, our next interaction in politics is going to the polls a subsequent November. Politicians know this and they get a free ride. Then come election time, it's back to empty promises and being corrupt once elected. We're to blame as we LET IT HAPPEN. | |
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join:2007-11-16
Endicott, NY
| Not stupid at all.
Lets say you vote for a Democrat because you didn't like the Republican. That says nothing.
Vote for a 3rd party that supports an issue like privacy and sets that as one of their core values. Now, if the incumbent loses because a large number of votes went to that third party...
You can bet that privacy is going to be a big focus in the next candidate's platform. | |
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join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
| Re: Election said by thevorpal :Not stupid at all. Lets say you vote for a Democrat because you didn't like the Republican. That says nothing. Vote for a 3rd party that supports an issue like privacy and sets that as one of their core values. Now, if the incumbent loses because a large number of votes went to that third party... You can bet that privacy is going to be a big focus in the next candidate's platform. Again, this late in the election, voting for a third party "says nothing" in the larger scheme of who will occupy the Whitehouse. It will either be Obama or McCain, and voting for a third party does nothing other than cause one to lose. Surely that's not the goal here... | |
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tiger72
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| Re: Election said by satellite68 :said by thevorpal :Not stupid at all. Lets say you vote for a Democrat because you didn't like the Republican. That says nothing. Vote for a 3rd party that supports an issue like privacy and sets that as one of their core values. Now, if the incumbent loses because a large number of votes went to that third party... You can bet that privacy is going to be a big focus in the next candidate's platform. Again, this late in the election, voting for a third party "says nothing" in the larger scheme of who will occupy the Whitehouse. It will either be Obama or McCain, and voting for a third party does nothing other than cause one to lose. Surely that's not the goal here... Then you don't "get" the value of third parties. If Obama loses because people voted 3rd party, it says to the Dems that their platform was flawed (once again). If McCain loses, it says the same thing about Repubs.
Voting 3rd party causes the 2 major parties to refine their platform to something more palatable to those who voted 3rd party previously. See: Obama AND McCain trying to talk up their libertarian sides during the conventions.
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join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY
| Re: Election ROTFLMAO...then neither party has learned as both have been burned by the third "party", if you can call it that.
voting 3rd party does nothing but make the people who vote 3rd party feel good about themselves - "see, it's not my fault, i voted for ______"
that, and inflate the egos of the candidates themselves. creating inflated egos and hot air is the baliwick of american politics, but producing a WINNER would be the goal, IMHO, of any political party. if voters are as disaffected by the two party system, as it's been claimed to high heaven, where the fuck is this magic third party that will fix everything?
oh wait, there isn't one-you know, a real political party with money, people, and a chance to win.
i personally believe our country is way too diverse for two parties, but nobody has created a third or fourth party with real interests behind it. | |
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tiger72
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| Re: Election said by satellite68 :ROTFLMAO...then neither party has learned as both have been burned by the third "party", if you can call it that. voting 3rd party does nothing but make the people who vote 3rd party feel good about themselves - "see, it's not my fault, i voted for ______" that, and inflate the egos of the candidates themselves. creating inflated egos and hot air is the baliwick of american politics, but producing a WINNER would be the goal, IMHO, of any political party. if voters are as disaffected by the two party system, as it's been claimed to high heaven, where the fuck is this magic third party that will fix everything? oh wait, there isn't one-you know, a real political party with money, people, and a chance to win. i personally believe our country is way too diverse for two parties, but nobody has created a third or fourth party with real interests behind it. What's the point of your post? Other than contradicting yourself, of course...
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join:2007-04-11
Louisville, KY | Re: Election As I stated originally, third party voting NOW is a waste of a vote, that proves/says nothing other than "Look at me, I did something different that only makes me look good" | |
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tiger72
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| Re: Election said by satellite68 :As I stated originally, third party voting NOW is a waste of a vote, that proves/says nothing other than "Look at me, I did something different that only makes me look good" And that will magically change when a party with what YOU define as "real interests" comes to the forefront?
Tell me, how does this magical 3rd party get so much money that it can afford to burst onto the national scene with a presidential candidate - against the onslaught of negative ads by the deeply entrenched Republican and Democratic parties? Hell, if you saw the Republican debates then you've seen what happens to a moderately well-funded Republican who doesn't toe the party line (Paul).
You see, if you actually knew anything about 3rd parties, you'd understand that they've tried that for decades to no avail. So, some parties (like the Libertarians) have focused on electing local reps first so as to gain some familiarity from those who don't understand the flaws of the 2-party system, or worse yet from those who, like you, think it's pointless no matter what.
I guarantee that if you post your personal political preferences online, that there's ALREADY a third party that advocates for you, but instead of supporting that party, you'll continue to vote for the flawed 2-party system.
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| jc100
join:2002-04-10
·RoadRunner Cable
| McCain CHAMPIONS for the NSA. He did flip flop too if you recall. He said the NSA wiretapping was a TRAVESTY to the American People. Then he staffed himself with TELCO execs on his campaign and had a change of heart.... Obama is not better, he flip flopped all the same. I guess deep pockets reach them both. McCain is the worst of the 2 but BOTH are idiots. | |
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| Re: Election said by Jameson :said by texans20 :Obama will fix this. [/sarcasm] NObama Leave sweet home Alabama out of this!  | |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA
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| Dude Just slip in the following words every once in a while on your cell conversations to see if anyone shows up at your door.
Bomb
terrorist
white house
attack
training camp
sept 11
Taliban
anthrax
Ossoma Bin Laden
Israel
Iran
Cuba
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mark470
eh?
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Hooksett, NH | Re: Dude click,click | |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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Philly burbs | You forgot..
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Allah
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by ninjatutle :Just slip in the following words every once in a while on your cell conversations to see if anyone shows up at your door. Bomb terrorist white house attack training camp sept 11 Taliban anthrax Ossoma Bin Laden Israel Iran Cuba Iraq Airplane Nuclear Better yet, call Iran or Cuba or Iraq or Afghanistan. | |
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BabyBear
Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
join:2007-01-11
| Re: Dude said by patcat88 :Better yet, call Iran or Cuba or Iraq or Afghanistan. Hello?? Islamic Fried Chicken?? We want to send some chicken to the hostages..  | |
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LiamJunket
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join:2002-03-03
Ocean City, NJ
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1 edit |  The private companies are selling data around the world
a number of private companies now sell off-the-shelf data-mining solutions to government spies interested in analyzing mobile-phone calling records and real-time location information. These companies include ThorpeGlen, VASTech, Kommlabs, and Aqsacom--all of which sell "passive probing" data-mining services to governments around the world.
After describing all the ways that the government could legally collect real-time data on millions of U.S. citizens, Gidari said that essentially, the existence of such a program would likely remain a secret (barring a whistle-blower or leaks to the press by government officials).
Ohm said that Congress would not be too happy:
If [the sharing of data by niche telecom providers] is seen as allowing an end-around an otherwise clear prohibition in the SCA, Congress is likely to throw a fit when it is revealed and try to amend the law. DOJ is sensitive to this kind of thing (despite what the NSA wiretapping program would lead you to believe) and would probably try to avoid blatantly bypassing otherwise clear language in this way.
Thorpeglen based in England.
Vastech based in South Africa.
Kommlabs based in India.
Aqsacom based in the Czech Republic.
Short version: NSA getting and using info this way is possible and apparently legal. But it doesn't mean they are actually using this capability on U.S. data.
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FunnyBones
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| privacy is dead online Privacy is dead online when you look at all the little things like the phone mess or rfid on your drivers license or google and intellipedia or even how just about every page online is using google urchin but its not what the web masters do with the data from urchin but rather it is what google uses it for and like other things I have talked about its the webpages like myspace bought by "rupert murdoch" none the less but if you look at this as a whole it is getting to be so easy to track everything you do online and not just the big people but anyone one of us as soon as we have a name all we need to do is go type it in myspace and a lot of time you will get a hit. YouTube is another one that has a huge data base on the things they know you like to watch or do and can even check the popularity of a subject and now you wonder why your local news may play a youtube clip. Even places like walmart know what you like to buy during a storm and I could go on all day but remember its all for your safety.
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LiamJunket
| This is BS! Ok, I work in the industry, this story is complete bullshit! Tower owners simply rent space on the tower and ground, they have no access to the carriers systems.
Using the same logic as this article, the company that owns the building you work in, knows (and cares) that you are having an affair and is going to give that information to your spouse. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| Good Now terrorists and crooks will have one less usable medium with which they can do harm.
If this means that those who have ill intent have to resort to carrier pigeons and 2 cans and a string, then I am all for it.
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d50man
join:2002-08-27
Hickory, NC
| FALSE very late report. They already have all telco's networks inhand and the keys to all the locks don't be naive thinking any data can be witheld from any of the alphabet agencys. Its all a few clicks away for them. Haven't you guys heard of the rooms that don't exist in major switching centers and fiber optics that are supposed to be dark that aren't. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: FALSE very late report. said by iansltx :Privacy is dead...anyone watched an episode or two of 24 lately? I hope the upcoming season is good. The last 1/3 of the previous season, coupled with the high improbability of the plot of season 5, really make that show ripe for a reboot.
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join:2007-02-19
Fredericksburg, TX | Re: FALSE very late report. Heh, so far I've slogged through four seasons. Gotta wait until the weekend before starting season 5 otherwise my productivity is ruined. Also, anywhere I can get the prequal to season 5? The usual venues...are slow or nnexistent. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| Re: FALSE very late report. said by iansltx :Also, anywhere I can get the prequal to season 5? The usual venues...are slow or nnexistent. Really? They don't even show it on the DVDs?
Other than that I would not know. Sorry. 
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join:2007-02-19
Fredericksburg, TX | Re: FALSE very late report. Not telling yo where I found it, but I got the prequal so now I'm happy  | |
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@bresnan.net | Read a bit Some insight can be found in: "The One-percent Doctrine", by R. Suskind. Details on telcom & others for capturing threats. | |
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MyDogHsFleas
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join:2007-08-15
Austin, TX | Flimsiest story yet Read the article. The author is simply making up a story with absolutely nothing to back it up. This was not worth 10 seconds of time, much less the 5 minutes to read the "article". | |
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whizkid3
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join:2002-02-21
Queens, NY
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| Nothing new - conversations too It doesn't surprise me that the US Govt is collecting data about your whereabouts.
After all, they have spent tens of billions of dollars on a network of 'secret' spy satellites - low orbital satellites that are able to pick up and collect cell phone conversations. (Remember Colin Powell's address to the UN, with the supposed cell phone conversation on WMDs?) Low orbital satellites fly over every point on the globe. Do you think they turn them off as they pass over the USA?
The network is such that there is always one overhead collecting transmissions of all of the entire cell phone bands, which is then downlinked and digitally stored. | |
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join:2000-10-11
Shelton, CT | Liberty & Safety Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. | |
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NSA Freely Gobbling Up Your Cell Data Too?
Who cares?