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kudos:2 | Re: ...America! Thats awesome! I love living in America where our government is free to spy on us just like in Communist countries and without a probable cause as our Constitution reads.
FUCK THE CONSTITUTION! | |
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| | | | Re: ...America! George Bush said the Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper and Barack Obama said it was a deeply flawed document.
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| Re: ...America! said by battleop:George Bush said the Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper and Barack Obama said it was a deeply flawed document.
Until it benefits the status quo in some way. | |
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| said by battleop:George Bush said the Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper and Barack Obama said it was a deeply flawed document.
It's more like a deeply flawed government.
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| | | | | said by battleop:George Bush said the Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper and Barack Obama said it was a deeply flawed document.
Sounds like it's time for revolution - world-wide.... | |
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kudos:8 | Not that. That document should be held.
Instead, screw the folks who swore to uphold the Constitution, but forgot what that means.
I'm so thoroughly disgusted with all that Washington is today, both red and blue, because it has morphed into something beyond all understanding.
Nothing makes sense any more. I've awakened in a Bizarro world.
Yes, I did get your meaning. And I agree completely. | |
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| Re: ...America! I. of corse. Was being very sarcastic.
None- the -less. That remains my feeling about how our government views the Constitution.
Ever since 9/11, it has been eroding for the cause of "protecting" us from terrorism.
I still feel that this "terrorism" is over used and is a way for government to justify its actions and allow it to spy on any one of us. | |
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| | | | | said by birdfeedr:Not that. That document should be held. Instead, screw the folks who swore to uphold the Constitution, but forgot what that means. I'm so thoroughly disgusted with all that Washington is today, both red and blue, because it has morphed into something beyond all understanding. Nothing makes sense any more. I've awakened in a Bizarro world. Yes, I did get your meaning. And I agree completely. Amen and could not agree with you anymore than I already am!! 
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| | | Re: one day it be Of course... we're not far from it today (cell phones being tracked, TV's / STB's with cameras and microphones).
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| | But they must protect the Amerikan Sheeples... There are terrorists and boogie men and child pornographers hiding behind every bush. Have another Koolaid dear sheeples. | |
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Tulsa, OK | Who are these people voting NO ... not only authorizing it, but refusing to allow even some BASIC OVERSIGHT by voting NO on very modest improvements.
Anyone who voted for re-authorization and against the amendments should be ejected from office!
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kudos:5 | Re: Who are these people voting NO said by KrK:... not only authorizing it, but refusing to allow even some BASIC OVERSIGHT by voting NO on very modest improvements.
Anyone who voted for re-authorization and against the amendments should be ejected from office!
Here is the votes for the bill:
»www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r···position
Senator Dianne Feinstein (D - Calif.) chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee led those voting to extend FISA:
»www.policymic.com/articles/21589···ping-law
Feinstein argued on the floor of the Senate that electronic surveillance played a role in some of the 100 arrests in terrorism-related plots made in the last four years.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Who are these people voting NO It doesn't list the NO voters on the amendments. Pair those two up and we have the people who re-authorized and opposed even modest oversight. They need to go.
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kudos:5 | Re: Who are these people voting NO said by KrK:It doesn't list the NO voters on the amendments. Pair those two up and we have the people who re-authorized and opposed even modest oversight. They need to go.
Amendement to FISA votes:
To require a report on the impact of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 on the privacy of the people of the United States
»www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r···position
To ensure adequate protection of the rights under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
»www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r···position
To require the Attorney General to disclose each decision, order, or opinion of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that includes significant legal interpretation of section 501 or 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 unless such disclosure is not in the national security interest of the United States.
»www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/r···position
You are on your own to merge the votes you are interested in.
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Who are these people voting NO Just as I figured, my Representatives on the wrong side of most important issues. | |
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2 edits | Re: Who are these people voting NO said by Wilsdom:FISA, PIPA, gun confiscation--she is certainly a wicked witch.
She is the big wheel on the Senate Intelligence Committee and is privy to spy info most in Congress never get to see. One of the so-called Gang of 8( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight ) that the President and his intelligence advisers must keep informed. Her knowledge of threats to US not shared with other legislators(because they can't be trusted not to leak info) may be the reason she is strongly backing these intelligence laws.
Current Members of the Gang of Eight
John Boehner (R), Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
Nancy Pelosi (D), House Minority Leader
Harry Reid (D), Senate Majority Leader
Mitch McConnell (R), Senate Minority Leader
Mike Rogers (R), Chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Dianne Feinstein (D), Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Dutch Ruppersberger (D), Ranking Minority Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Saxby Chambliss (R), Ranking Minority Member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
All 4 Senate members of the Gang of 8 voted to extend FISA.
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Who are these people voting NO She's backing them because she's a big-government statist who would prefer if everyone outside DC would just shut up and send in money. | |
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| said by Linklist:She is the big wheel on the Senate Intelligence Committee and is privy to spy info most in Congress never get to see. One of the so-called Gang of 8( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight ) that the President and his intelligence advisers must keep informed. Her knowledge of threats to US not shared with other legislators(because they can't be trusted not to leak info) may be the reason she is strongly backing these intelligence laws.
Um, yeah, and because she and President Obama are NOT FUCKING IDIOTS. They know that, were there to be another major 9/11 type terror attack, and they had NOT done whatever they could to "connect the dots", it would be really, really bad.
This is not a left vs. right, repub vs. dem. issue. Everybody who knows anything is on the correct side of this law. Only those losers on the fringe who stand on some thin "principle" are against it.
Boys and girls, this is not rocket science. Your house has a bunch of bad guys out there who are trying to explode it, burn it to the ground, and kill you and your entire family. Oh, no, because some PRINCIPLE tells you you CAN'T TRY TO FIND THEM BEFORE it happens, you are just going to let everyone roast and then be blown to bits? Not likely you'd actually do this. | |
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Are they outside my house now??
What should I do??
Where is my Tin hat?
Where is my AR15??
Send in the Drones??
Call Obama/Bush??
Run fer the Hills??
Vote Democrat??
Vote Republican??
Kill everybody??
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| | | | | | | | Re: Who are these people voting NO Just drink your Koolaid and vote for THE Party and everything will be fine sheeple. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Who are these people voting NO Ha, your'e bloody paranoid, I'm a Brit...
I don't get to vote ( thank God)
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Paranoid? Oh Noooo.... There's a terrorist and a child pornographer hiding behind EVERY bush, our government tells us so, so that they can trash the Constitution.
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| | | | | | | said by MyDogHsFleas:said by Linklist:She is the big wheel on the Senate Intelligence Committee and is privy to spy info most in Congress never get to see. One of the so-called Gang of 8( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight ) that the President and his intelligence advisers must keep informed. Her knowledge of threats to US not shared with other legislators(because they can't be trusted not to leak info) may be the reason she is strongly backing these intelligence laws.
Um, yeah, and because she and President Obama are NOT FUCKING IDIOTS. They know that, were there to be another major 9/11 type terror attack, and they had NOT done whatever they could to "connect the dots", it would be really, really bad. This is not a left vs. right, repub vs. dem. issue. Everybody who knows anything is on the correct side of this law. Only those losers on the fringe who stand on some thin "principle" are against it. Boys and girls, this is not rocket science. Your house has a bunch of bad guys out there who are trying to explode it, burn it to the ground, and kill you and your entire family. Oh, no, because some PRINCIPLE tells you you CAN'T TRY TO FIND THEM BEFORE it happens, you are just going to let everyone roast and then be blown to bits? Not likely you'd actually do this. Is my sarcasm meter broke or are you serious?
Cool, I heard barcodes, checkpoints and neighbors spying on eachother at every street would save lives too.
If someone is really determined there is nothing this group of 8 stooges can do about it.
All these "make you feel comfortable while taking your freedoms laws" are an illusion of safety.
What prevents from 100 terorrist buying tickets to the same plane and doing it again? NOTHING.
I rather enjoy life and variety of freedom than be spied on, be worried of what I say and getting groped and searched everywhere I go for my "safety". | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Who are these people voting NO The ONLY "Security" these people are concerned with is their own. With the economy now racing the Tidy Bowl man to the bottom (and winning!) even sheeple are beginning to see what a corrupt, self serving joke our government has become, from City or Town Hall, all the way to Washington.
In the very early 1980's I used to tell people that we, in our lifetime, would see a revolution in this country. The handwriting was already starting to appear on the wall back then for those of us who looked. People would look at me as if I had three heads. Now they say "Maybe sooner than we think".
More spying, restriction of basic freedoms and of course "Gun Control" are coming down the pike. Our government does not WANT a "well regulated militia" of the people because they KNOW at whom the guns will be pointed. Them!
Maybe it would be best if our economy just collapsed outright and splintered the nation. Too many good people die in revolutions and I don't want to see it happen here. Something has to change. It's time for the People to rule the nation, as it was meant to be, as our forefathers intended, instead of the government ruling the people, as it is now.
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| Polarization leads to another touchdown for lawmakers While left wing nutjobs and right wing loonies are throwing barbs at each other over gun rights, fiscal cliff and whatever else (fuck, these idiots would argue over whether scrambled eggs are better then over easy) they quietly slip this under the radar. It will be ignored at worst, glossed over at best by the lame stream media. Then it will be back to the same ole same ole the other side sucks.. all to get the vast majority of citizens to goto the polls and tick everything with an R or a D. That is the true problem.. they know all the shiny needed to divert our attention and take our rights. | |
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| I am not going to loose sleep over this... Nothing I can do about it anyway.
There are several hundred companies that actively track you in one way or another. Most extract anonymous data, others do the cookie thing, Still others track purchases. Dictionary.com reportedly has 240 different trackers lurking in the background, only just a few installed by Dictionary when you open an account the rest hop on for the ride. fireFox has add-ons that let you see who is tracking you, There are trackers that track trackers and on and on it goes. 
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kudos:1 | The punchline "Land of the Free" So our government continues to make our country into a world wide joke.
Time to vote these bums out of office. No more yes men/women. | |
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Santa Monica, CA | Nothing New Here The government's agents will spy on you, regardless of what Congress claims to do to "protect" you, and whatever rules you think LE have to follow.
This has and always will be the case. Don't lose any sleep over it.
Worry more about what they might do with the information they collect, and what future "crimes" they may invent to oppress us, along with all of their new-found regulations to make the world a better place for the regulators. | |
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| Move along folks Again all this stuff gets renewed or new crap passed in record time (with no mention in the mainstream media of course) but we can't pay our fricking bills. But spying is required people, it's for our own good and all these agency's NEED these tools to protect us. What the hell has been going on, what all these agency's fired all the spies and replaced them with server farms?. | |
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