NSA Whistleblowers: Uh, We Told You All About This Already
Can We Stop Treating Total Surveillance As a Conspiracy Theory Now?
We've seen whistleblower after whistleblower (both at AT&T
, the NSA
and the FBI
) unequivocally state that all
carriers are handing over all
data to the NSA in real time, all the time, with a blanket disregard for both ethics and the law. As such, this morning's "revelation
" that Verizon was asked to simply hand over call metadata for its users is neither shocking or new. It's simply an extension of the horrible things we know already.
Oddly the mainstream press seems to have a hard time with this broader context, and in many stories reporters seem to want to ignore the long line of NSA whistle blowers who've been exposing this program for a decade. Congress has known about it since 2007
. Said politicians are busy arguing this isn't a big deal because it has been known about for some time -- even though that apathy in the face of existing facts is precisely why citizens should be annoyed
Democracy Now was one of the only news outfits I've seen that went back and talked to two of the program's NSA whistleblowers
, including Thomas Drake and William Binney. Both seem shocked that the press seems to be treating this like a "new" scandal, when it's just an extension of the existing, disgusting one. Thomas Drake was charged with violating The Espionage Act in 2010 after he tried to expose fraud and waste at the agency. He had this to say about this week's Verizon "revelation":
"Where has the mainstream media been? These are routine orders, nothing new," Drake says. "What’s new is we’re seeing an actual order and people are somehow surprised by it. The fact remains that this program has been in place for quite some time it was actually started shortly after 9/11. The PATRIOT Act was the enabling mechanism that allowed the United States government in secret to acquire subscriber records from any company."
William Binney had a forty-year career at the NSA and had this to say:
"NSA has been doing all this stuff all along and it’s been all the companies not just one. And I basically looked at that and said if Verizon got one, so did everybody else. Which means that, they're just continuing the collection of this kind of information of all U.S. citizens."
It almost seems like the press doesn't quite seem to know what to do with the truth they've discovered: the United States government (both parties) is intent on building a secret, almost-entirely unaccountable surveillance state while paying entirely bogus lip service to freedom, privacy, and liberty. I've spent the last ten years watching the press act like total NSA surveillance was a crackpot conspiracy theory. So what happens now that this is no longer debatable?
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Re: Nobody is supprised... Yeah, sorta... But it does kind of bug me when things that have been going on for years and or started during previous administrations are suddenly another outrageous Obama controversy.
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Use VoIP Since we know this is going on, the best solution is simply to use a VoIP phone. NOT Skype, which is a backdoor infested trap, but a smaller VoIP provider. They are too small for the government to monitor. I've worked with CALEA in the past, and as a carrier, it's a nightmare to implement (overpowering cell phones so a tap can't be detected was super annoying to implement). If you truly need to do secure communications to outside the country, you can always use a non-us based VoIP provider. If I was a terrorist, I'd be using a foreign VoIP provider, with a VPN connection to call all my friends overseas. Doesn't matter where in the world you are, they won't get any of the call logs, they can't listen in, and they won't have a record of this. What they are doing is not going to stop a 'smart' terrorist, but I don't care. I'm FAR more likely to be killed by a family member than I am by a terrorist.
Remember 1 in 4 people are retarded. 25% of Americans are Republican. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Re: Use VoIP
said by karlmarx: You may wish to learn about the technical aspects of VOIP, its less secure than POTs ...
Since we know this is going on, the best solution is simply to use a VoIP phone.
Re: I'll stick with Verizon In a public parking lot, you have absolutely no expectation of privacy, same with public streets, malls, and other public venues. With a phone call, email, text, browser history, etc. there is a reasonable expectation of privacy.
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| |said by manfmmd:I agree, in public locations there should be either no expectation of privacy, and people should be made aware of this fact. By posting signs that say the area is under video/audio surveillance.
In a public parking lot, you have absolutely no expectation of privacy, same with public streets, malls, and other public venues. With a phone call, email, text, browser history, etc. there is a reasonable expectation of privacy.
As long as we use a smart phone or a credit card, or anything online, then there should be no expectation of privacy.
I recall getting my first work computer. I had to sign a disclosure that I understood that the IT department will upon occasion audit emails and the contents of my work computer.
IMO, Internet providers should be required to give out such a disclosure as well. Heck same with cell phone companies.
Also, places you shop should be required to have a disclosure that lists what data they collect on you while you are shopping at their stores. And the purpose of said data.
Is a person a failure for doing nothing? Or is he a failure for trying, and not succeeding at what he is attempting to do? What did you fail at today?.
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Re: I'll stick with Verizon
said by IowaCowboy:Why? You're not doing anything wrong anyways so who cares if they watch you while you sleep.
I draw the line on putting surveillance cameras in bedrooms and bathrooms. On the other hand, a big issue with public restrooms is vandalism and drug use. Many businesses are restricting their restrooms to employees only because of liability and vandalism. I think a compromise on that would be a surveillance camera on the outside of the bathroom to monitor who is going in them but not inside the restroom itself.
Re: I'll stick with Verizon Don't bother arguing with this guy. He speaks like he actually knows something, but just regurgitates sound bites and talking points he's picked up over the years. I believe he would actually accept a government camera in his own bathroom in his home, because "establishment", that's why!
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| The problem is they don't want to thwart, they want to watch till it gets really big and swoop in right before the bad guy lights the fuse. They'll let them buy explosives, they'll let them buy vehicles, they'll let them gather all this bits and do all the planning for an attack, hell they'll even put their own guy in their sometimes to guide them along to make sure they get it right... and all for some big drama filled arrest that costs thousands of dollars vs just stopping what they've detected as being started.|
And it's intentional, it continues to build this state where people always remark after the fact that "he just seemed like a normal guy".. Hey, what if the cops went up, knocked on the door, talked to him about all the shit he bought that could be used to build a bomb or poison people, filed a report, reported on it publicly, and moved on to some real crime that affects people every day instead of fighing for some career inflating case that novels are written about.
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Re: I'll stick with Verizon
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You realize crime is a massively profitable business, right?
Businesses that create human suffering are not ethical businesses.
The only ones that profit from crime are attorneys, bail bondsman, prison contractors, and the ones who have to clean up the aftermath.
To sum it all up, crime causes economic loss, not profit. It runs the entire gamut from having to pay more in the supermarket (to make up for shoplifters) all the way to having to hire a professional to clean up a home after a homicide. I've got better things to spend my money on than have to take an economic hit because of a crime. Even with insurance, you still have a deductible and you get hit with higher premiums after a claim.
I've experienced ImOn (when they were McLeod USA), Mediacom, Comcast, and Time Warner and I currently have DirecTV. They are much better than broadcast TV.
I have not and will not cut the cord.
dudes, and this is only the beginning check out my website man. another big time NSA whistle blower is Russell Tice, who in 2006 disclosed Electronic Brain Link, Remote Neural Monitoring, and Electronic Brain Stimulation. These technologies allow mass monitoring, once again, of all electromagnetic energy produced by the human body and brain, and thus allow the NSA/CIA/FBI to monitor your thoughts in real time with a computer system that basically can decode everything in your brain. What you see, hear, feel, think, remember, and it's also used as a tool by officials and police everywhere for covert communication. Basically, EBL allows them to beam using microwaves video, audio, feeling, memory, and other information direct to the brain and your body, and they use this like a sixth sense. The computer has very advanced AI which decodes all patterns in the brain, it categorizes intentions, past interactions, past memory, ties in in with a profile on information kept on you from other sources, ie Internet, phone records, and more. The deal is, they don't even really need to spy on your Internet activity directly, they can access and watch your brain to know exactly what you're doing and what you've done, including online, and they have access to everything in your brain: passcodes, relationships, intentions, much more. The military and NSA don't fuck around, this technology is fully deployed with both ground based and satellite based sensors, they monitor every square inch of the US. Nothing is secret, NOTHING. The only thing you got protecting you is nothing. Period. Problem with this technology is it's also used for torture and US citizens set ups, and I happen to know all about it because in 2008 they were using this shit at the Oregon State Hospital during the US DOJ investigation, and when I became a target of abuse and spying as a patient, and a major state scandal broke out, staffer Bonita Tucker sexually abusing me, lying about it, helping two patients escape, smuggling in bolt cutters and marajuanna, morphine, amphetamine, etc, I was hit hard because the state lied to try to cover all this shit up, they hid my case due to states lack of liability insurance, and they tried to murder me in August of 2008 with this technology; I was in my cell when I felt microwaves penetrate my body, I heard staff talking to me, they said "no ones ever made it this far" and "like you spy for the Statesmans Journal, DeAnn Major spys for the CIA" and "you're being set up to look psychotic" - I began to convulse from microwave exposure, and they began to simulate psychosis, mutilating my body and more. I am telling the truth, state employees and the state, possibly through the CIA/NSA/US DOJ, had access to this technology, and they used it to link up and receive all sorts of covert communication on the unit 48B. When I tried to expose it, they abused me, bullied me, I was assaulted and beat up by staff, and they set me up to look mentally ill.
here's my website about my case, I do have a donation drive, I'm trying to raise $1,000,000 for medical bills and legal expenses. A lot of the abuse was caught on recorded tape, as 48B had cameras and microphones, staff even discuss how they had technology outside of the building that enabled all this. For 5 years now I have been controlled, the CIA has control over me. yes, the NSA's Russell Tice disclosed this technology, but everyone has access to it. It's the USA's most secret weapon and spy system.
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this is nothing new, CIA had massive mind control experiments on the USA in the 50s/60s, they were unwittingly drugging Americas nationwide, developing mind control and mind monitoring technologies, they experimented on America to see what the effects of mass LSD use was and other shit. they had doctors everywhere working for them, even the head of the National Health Institute, the head of the American Psychiatric Association, and I mean, like doctors and spys all over. the program info is on my site, they called this MKULTRA and it was crazy. this shit is pretty much still going on today, I don't think there's a police agency or state agency that doesn't respond to a higher power in the federal government, and I personally understand that this EBL and Remote Neural Monitoring shit is their bread and butter secret program. According to the Washington Post, there are many victims of remote mind control experimentation, and I have a hunch that this EBL is being used to randomly target citizens for simulated psychosis and other experiments. They get away with it because basically, it sounds crazy and paranoid, and that's how they get away with attacks. If you cross them or get close to exposing anything, like I did, they will seriously try to kill you, or do something crazy like they are doing to me now. Just look at my website.
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