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Onward Through The Fog
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Cheyenne, WY
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| Total Crap Just who do these clowns think they are trying to kid. There are whole regions in my part of the world that do not have any broadband available. Oh sure there are satellite systems but they are expensive and have some big time limitations. The only thing I can think of is the board members are fishing for work after Bush leaves office.
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RadioDoc
Put Out The Cat
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| Re: Total Crap Just like Bush has met his goals in Iraq.
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Chicago, IL
| Re: Total Crap said by RadioDoc  :Just like Bush has met his goals in Iraq. His and the 296 House representatives and 77 senators! | |
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RadioDoc
Put Out The Cat
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Chicago, IL | Re: Total Crap No different. They are all liars.
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| fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20 | Mission Accomplished...?  | |
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jhawk44
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Boston, VA | I... ...lol'd  | |
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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February 1st, @12:29PM
| Re: This study says US doing well where it counts this study, from "one of the world’s largest network communications companies", has been peer reviewed by what organizations? The methodology is shown where?
I've done a study that shows broadband in the U.S. sucks, but it's not ready to publish yet - trust me on the findings. | |
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join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| Re: This study says US doing well where it counts The most striking result of The Connectivity Scorecard is just how low many countries score. Even the world’s best connected countries have little room for complacency and much work to do. While a perfect 10 is a possibility if and only if a country topped all of the components, the wide dispersion of scores and the failure of any country to score even 7 out of 10 shows that there is not one country that is uniformly strong on all dimensions of Connectivity. For example, even the U.S. registers mediocre performance in broadband relative to the existing best performers today.
everything is relative, innit?
my takeaway? The U.S. does a good job, in a business sense, with the crappy system we have.
doesn't Nokia/Siemens make equipment that would help countries improve their performance in "connectivity utilization"? | |
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| Universal Broadband is here. Everyone knows that universal broadband is now a reality. Every American in the country has access to 100Mbps connections for a very low, reasonable price. There's absolutely no one without a broadband connection now. (If you say otherwise, the terrorists have won.) *checks "Universal Broadband" off Bush's To-Do list*
In unrelated news, I'd like to announce that everyone in this country also has access to affordable health care and the Middle East has become a land of peace and democracy.
Now, if you'll excuse me, these nice men in the white coats have a beautiful jacket for me to try on.
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Navarre, FL | Re: Not Likely What third world countries are we technologically behind? | |
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join:2001-02-26
Ottawa, ON | Re: Not Likely Mexico? Their hats are atleast 3 times bigger than the average American hat, or so I hear. | |
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | Its an election year expect many more stupid and potentially fact less or stretched fact announcements of success and or slightly misleading information by the pres as he attempts to campaign by success for his party... | |
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manfmmd
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Earth
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| Population Density... "On the other side of the world, Japan claims to have already rolled out 100 Mbps fiber to eighty five percent of its homes."
This just in, 85% of all homes in Japan are within Major Metro areas where the population density approaches 340 people / sq. km. The US population density is 31 / sq. km.
Tokyo alone has 13416 people / sq. km...
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jhawk44
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Boston, VA | Re: Population Density... Guess what? 80% of Americans live in "city" areas too. Just not that dense, but dense enough. | |
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| nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| bogus argument.
when corrected for population density, the U.S. moves up ONE position from 15th to 14th or something like that.
if pop density is the key, why aren't LA, NYC, San Fran, DC, etc all wired up pretty?
japan has real broadband because they have competition. | |
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No Limit
Just Say No To Social Promotion
join:2000-10-07
San Francisco, CA | Re: Population Density... Yes. I'm wishing for FTTH myself, but AT&T isn't doing squat. I hate to say this, but I wish Verizon was the big telephone company around these parts. | |
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powerhog
Stinkin' up the joint
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Talala, OK | LOL Another "Mission Accomplished"! | |
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Enola, PA
| Re: LOL said by powerhog :Another "Mission Accomplished"! Damn, you beat me to it! | |
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join:2006-03-30
Southington, OH
| Re: LOL said by TheWickerMan :said by powerhog :Another "Mission Accomplished"! Damn, you beat me to it! Damn, I was beat to being beat. Yup, peace and tranquility in Iraq and the Middle East, loads of economic growth and broadband for all. Job well done Big W! | |
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AnonProxy
Proxy of Anon
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join:2001-05-12
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| Heck I would think Universal broadband would mean that every family in the US has at least 2 real options to broadband providers.
I say two because one is not a choice but a monopoly.
If we use the criteria that "broadband" means at least 1mb download, is cable, DSL, fiber, WiFi, or WiMax based then even MA hasn't been served. In fact there are some areas that don't even have ONE broadband provider. | |
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fishmaster
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join:2004-10-08
Rockford, IL | Paid!! Someone is fixing to Lobby for more taxpayer monies. | |
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KraziJoe
join:2006-09-08
Alexandria, VA | v Well, can't the Wireless carriers offer High Speed Internet via their wireless cards? And most places receive a Cell signal so, I guess that part could be true, but affordability? That is not even close. | |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| Here We Go Again We can have Government funded socialistic welfare broadband when you can pry my wallet out of cold dead hands.
Oh I forgot they already can It is called all the death tax.
This is all this argument is all about: roll out the poor and rural folks to demand government buy you the latest toys. | |
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join:2007-08-19
| Re: Here We Go Again said by Richard B :We can have Government funded socialistic welfare broadband when you can pry my wallet out of cold dead hands. Oh I forgot they already can It is called all the death tax. This is all this argument is all about: roll out the poor and rural folks to demand government buy you the latest toys. "Death tax" = BB "socialistic welfare." Do you even know WTH you're talking about? BTW - the so called death tax only hurts you if mommy & daddy are leaving you their millions. Are you a millionaire, junior? | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Here We Go Again said by SilverSurfer :"Death tax" = BB "socialistic welfare." Do you even know WTH you're talking about? BTW - the so called death tax only hurts you if mommy & daddy are leaving you their millions. And why is that good?
People pay taxes on the money they earn when they live. Why should they pay taxes when they die too?
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| Re: Here We Go Again said by pnh102 :People pay taxes on the money they earn when they live. Why should they pay taxes when they die too? If you're not a millionaire, then you don't have to worry about being taxed when your dead, big boy. Are you a millionaire? I suspect not, however you assume you will be one. But if you live in the U.S., that ain't likely to happen. But you can continue dreaming and otherwise sticking up for/voting against your own financial best interest because you believe you'll have Bill Gates' bottom line someday. | |
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powerhog
Stinkin' up the joint
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join:2000-12-14
Talala, OK
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| You assume that making a service available is the same as giving that service for free. No one is asking for FREE service- we'd just like to have it available for us to buy.
Much like all the subsidized food you buy and eat that is not grown in town. | |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
Portland, OR
·Comcast
| Re: Here We Go Again Excuse me but if there is a market for the service the market will make it available. I been to small town where a guy brought in a few T-1 lines and sell WI-FI to his neighbors. No need for a government to business subsidy to make brodband available.
The problem I have is the call for centralized planing of brodband. To bring universal 100Mbs brodband, it will take a massive infusion of tax dollars to build the infrastructure, most of this case the money will be insufficiently and corruptly spent as the way with most government projects. Think of the defense industry's $2,000 toilet seats and $400 hammers.
To me a private but slower solution 20Mps FTTN solution can be just effective without involving tax dollars. | |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
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| Re: Here We Go Again here's a newsflash: the market has failed. broadband in this country is slow and expensive, compared to other industrialized countries.
answer me this: are you also against muni projects? those are technically "government" built and run but the incumbents, aka "the market", could give a rats ass about being competitive until there is any kind of threat of competition. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| said by Richard B :Excuse me but if there is a market for the service the market will make it available. I been to small town where a guy brought in a few T-1 lines and sell WI-FI to his neighbors. No need for a government to business subsidy to make brodband available. A few T1s. Hmm, thats some pretty bad oversubscribtion. $400 a month per T1 at the cheapest. So thats $1600-$2400 per month. Someone is being quite a charity if he isn't charging $50-$100 a month for each customer. | |
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Columbia, MO
| Re: Here We Go Again uh when i lived in a small town a few years ago, local cable internet became available. the source was 1 T1. 512/256 cap per customer and there were roughly 50 customers when i left. it was not oversubscribed, performance and latency did not degrade and i spent 8 hours a day on the internet. $30/mo
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Here We Go Again said by icawn :uh when i lived in a small town a few years ago, local cable internet became available. The internet was differnt back then. No miles of CSS and HTML code and Javascript "libraries" (still nobody uses HTTP compression). No Flash video players. Video conferancing/Video IMing has gone up. Online gaming. P2P. Remote backups. Ajax driven map websites (images by the metric ton). Google Earth. Itunes. Video offerings by Cable TV/OTA networks on their websites. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Pittsburgh, PA
| said by Richard B :This is all this argument is all about: roll out the poor and rural folks to demand government buy you the latest toys. I'm not a liberal but do realize if the government had never subsidized things like electric service, drinking water, sanitation, telephone service, highways and roads, public health, etc. you would probably have a shorter lifespan and be paying that death tax sooner. | |
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
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| Re: Here We Go Again Oh like the Tennessee Valley Authority. It started with good intentions but it morphed into a government sinkhole.
To me the idea of national brodband plan is starting to sound like Tennessee Valley Authority II with all the cost and corruption. | |
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XBL2007
join:2001-01-03
Chicago, IL
·AT&T Midwest
| said by Richard B :We can have Government funded socialistic welfare broadband when you can pry my wallet out of cold dead hands. Oh I forgot they already can It is called all the death tax. This is all this argument is all about: roll out the poor and rural folks to demand government buy you the latest toys. Americans live in total denial that they are really a socialist country. The US budget is 2.9 Trillion most of which will be funneled into the hands of rich people while the poor and middle class struggle to survive let alone save anything.
Sigh...spending $100 billion to wire everyones home sounds like a good idea that will payoff dividends for years to come. At least it's better then the stinking military getting to wage wars in countries we don't need to be in. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: Here We Go Again Don't blame our military who I support. However the money that has gone to private contractors (corporate welfare and mercenaries) in Iraq makes the TVA sinkhole look like a pittance. IMHO it would have easily been enough to subsidize fiber to ever single U.S. home. | |
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join:2005-12-22
Pittsburgh, PA
| Bad definition of Broadband Let's face it real Broadband should be defined as at least 2 Mbs download and 1 Mbs upload with acceptable latency. Near broadband may be vastly better than dialup speeds but it shouldn't be the goal. By the way it will only take $333/person ($100 Billion) to fix this mess the NTIA is calling a success. | |
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join:2003-05-12
Charlton, MA
| Re: Bad definition of Broadband Your def is too soft. Broadband needs a serious redefine, and a time table for progress forward.
This year the def should be:
10/5
Next year
15/10
Following year
20/20
In Four
30/30
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join:2005-12-22
Pittsburgh, PA
| Re: Bad definition of Broadband You're right it is too soft as far the future goes. However if over 95% of U.S households could have obtained that at a low cost at the end of 2007 the NTIA could have rightfully claimed success. Instead we got a clearly false propaganda statement based on 200/0 Kbs and bad statistics. | |
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Bloom County | I am still trying ot figure out ANY of Bush's policies they are even referring to.... They were real quiet policies if any...
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Complete Your Transaction
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clubs: | Re: I am still trying ot figure out the thinking behind his "policies" were lost in the thousands of emails that were mysteriously "lost" by the Whitehouse. | |
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surfinusa
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Sterling Heights, MI
| Re: Agreed! said by surfinusa :I would have to agree compared to other countries the US is behind as far as speed and penetration. I don't know, I think we've been taking it in the rear as deep and as fast they can pump for the last eight years.
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| Re: Agreed! said by R_Kilroy :said by surfinusa :I would have to agree compared to other countries the US is behind as far as speed and penetration. I don't know, I think we've been taking it in the rear as deep and as fast they can pump for the last eight years. I don't know either but I think they deployed 8 Years too late. | |
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clubs: | Mission Accomplished #2 "Heck uva job, U.S. Commerce Secretary Carlos M. Gutierrez."
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cork1958
Cork
join:2000-02-26
Fruitport, MI
·Charter Pipeline
| I think the NTIA needs to stop kissing up "I think the NTIA needs to stop kissing up"
I think EVERYBODY needs to do that. Everybody that talks or deals with Bush on any kind of regularity, is nothing but a suck up yes man!!
Just look at that worthless Candalice(?) Rice. I think she may be a man in disguise, also! That's why I said yes "man" above.
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join:2005-02-09 | Re: I think the NTIA needs to stop kissing up I think they are talking about the network INSIDE the modem, most of those are 10/100 | |
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join:2004-10-19
Bridgeport, CT
clubs: | NTIA is appartenly on drugs The NTIA is apparently on drugs after this decision..
IT s all LIES..
I know to many people that the only option is still 56k..
Welcome to the corruption we call a government.
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Edward1978
join:2007-07-23
De Soto, IL
·Verizon Online DSL
| Sure... Ok how about Bush move to the very southern tip of IL & see if he can get DSL or cable intennet with out his status to get some favors. Sure their is wireless, but the dimwit who put it in where I use to live, put it where a hill blocks it if you live in a certain spot outside of town & he didn't really care about if those people could connect or not. As for the study, that proves nothing, if 1 person has broadband in a county they say that county can get brodband. | |
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NTIA Says Bush Has Met Broadband Goals
This study says US doing well where it counts
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