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NY Times Pushes for Clemency For Snowden
by Karl Bode 10:41AM Thursday Jan 02 2014
The New York Times editorial page is pushing for clemency for NSA whistle blower Edward Snowden, arguing that given the benefits his leaked information provided, he deserves more than a life "of permanent exile, fear and flight." "It is time for the United States to offer Mr. Snowden a plea bargain or some form of clemency that would allow him to return home, face at least substantially reduced punishment in light of his role as a whistle-blower, and have the hope of a life advocating for greater privacy and far stronger oversight of the runaway intelligence community," said the Times.


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Re: How about ......

said by Crookshanks:

There are protections in place to deal with that situation when it arises. Our intelligence community is supervised by all three branches of Government. It regularly makes reports to both parties in the Congress, the Executive, and has to obtain approval from the Judiciary whenever its engaged in actions that may collect American communications (deliberately or incidentally).

Do you perchance mean the Congress that our intelligence community has been caught PERJURING themselves when they testified before them under oath NUMEROUS TIMES? You certainly CAN'T mean THAT Congress that's kept in the dark and fed BS like the Amerikan public is.

Our intelligence service has become a criminal, rogue entity who consider themselves responsible to NO ONE and it is time that THEY be investigated, prosecuted and imprisoned for the crimes they commit on a DAILY basis.
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Snowden is an American hero. Those incapable of seeing this truth must recalibrate their critical thinking tools.



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You keep trying to distract from the realities. Most, almost all of, nearly everything collected is from United States Citizens. Denver to Denver data being manipulated to travel out of country is intentional! It's not some side affect. The website you are connecting to being spoofed by the NSA and data intercepted, collected, manipulated and sent back and sent on to it's destination is intentional. Corporations being paid to manipulate encryption standards and patent back doors into those encryption standards is intentional.

There is no side affect, there is no "we reached for an orange in the fruit basket and just took everything by accident" bull. They want everything and the reason isn't about safety and freedom, it's about money. Foreign petroleum companies are not terrorists. European economic diplomats are not terrorists. The god damn chancellor of Germany is not a terrorist!

Quit with the toe the line bs. We are not winning.
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He did the right thing

Personally, I think he did the right thing. Some here have said he should have limited his disclosures to purely domestic spying, and he should have found a way to make his disclosures without leaving the country and doing it from nations that are hostile to us. Two points on those issues:

1. His first disclosures, the collection of U.S. phone records and PRISM, did involve domestic spying. And, even with just those disclosures, the government had branded him a traitor and wanted him in jail.

2. As for where he made his disclosures from, see point 1. There is absolutely no way the government wasn't going to go after him, no matter what he said or from what country he said it. If he made his disclosures on U.S. soil, he'd be in jail, and if he'd made them from a country even remotely friendly to the U.S., he'd be in jail. He didn't really have too many options as to where to go. Some people will say that he should have just sucked it up and faced the music. That's easy to say when you aren't facing a potential death penalty or life in prison and when you know that you're going to face the full wrath of the federal government for bringing its dirty laundry out into the open.

In short, Edward Snowden was screwed, no matter what he said or from where he said it.

And now we have the president saying that maybe there needs to be a national conversation on these issues (whatever that term means). Funny, we never heard that until Snowden brought these facts to light. Where was this needed conversation before then? And how can we have one when it's still obvious that the government isn't divulging what it's doing, and that information has to be released by a whistleblower, even now. Kind of hard to have an open and honest discussion when one side is either keeping silent or, when it does speak, is clearly lying through its teeth. And incidentally, why is James Clapper still employed, after he blatantly lied to Congress about what the NSA was doing? Either he knew about it and lied, which should be grounds for dismissal, or he didn't know, which would mean he's incompetent and should be fired for that reason.


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Hero

Sorry all you Big Sis lovers but Snowden is a hero. He did things the only way he possibly could. If he only blew the whistle internally at best nothing would change and at worst he would find himself dead.
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Re: How about ......

No that is how this republic doesn't work. They are all paid for corporate interests, and those interests are to keep the money coming in and keep the people fat dumb and happy !

This is why so many countries hate us, people like you with this attitude of everything we do is right. Visit outside the US some time and take a look, you have to earn others respect in this world , you can not just get respect for being from the US.

We have lost the worlds respect due to old fat politicians and rich owners looking to keep their status in the world.
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Baloney. Name the multitude of options that he had that he didnt already consider and try?

Intelligence gathering is a function of the NSA and other agency but what they arw doing is going above and beyond that to what amounts to wholesale spying on the American people.

Damage to foreign policy? Like those drone strikes are doing us any good.


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There were a multitude of options available to him to expose NSA's domestic activities without exposing their foreign activities and/or capabilities.

Intelligence collection is a legitimate activity, conducted by every other nation-state on this blue marble. He and his supporters seem to have a problem with this notion. He has done incalculable damage to the SIGINT efforts of the United States and our closest Allies, efforts that have saved many lives in the past, shortened wars, and provided us with a considerable advantage in the diplomatic realm.

He's also done considerable damage to US Foreign Policy. Irrespective of whether or not you think he was justified, the American people selected someone to determine foreign policy for them back in 2012 and his name wasn't "Edward Snowden".

I'm sorry but I can't respect or forgive him for the choices he has made.



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how about no? those of us who accused the NSA, etc. beforehand were said to be "conspiracy theorists" and have "tin foil hats" until he made it public... meh.