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NYC Subway Finally Gets Wireless
Transit Wireless to serve 277 stations within six years...
by Karl Bode 01:42PM Thursday Sep 20 2007
The New York Times notes that New York City residents will finally be getting cell and wireless data access in all 277 city subway stations. Transit Wireless will pay New York City Transit $46.8 million over 10 years, on top of the estimated $150 million to $200 million the network will cost to build. Transit Wireless got the deal because they offered so much up-front cash; the report notes that the major industry players didn't try very hard:
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A consortium of the major cellphone providers, including Verizon Wireless and Sprint Nextel, offered a total payment over 10 years of just $40, according to a summary of the deal that will be provided to the authority’s board members. (A transit official said the figure was not a typo.)
Six stations will be online within two years for testing: 23rd Street and 14th Street on the Eighth Avenue line, 14th Street on the Seventh Avenue line, 14th Street on the Sixth Avenue line and Eighth Avenue and Sixth Avenue on the L line. The company has six years to get all 277 stations up and running.

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ctggzg
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Huh?

Inside the subway cars, okay, but in the stations? Who whips out their laptop during a 10-minute wait?

Edit: Never mind.
rickonline

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Re: Huh?

Some stations are already in range of a signal in some spots. Sounds like a huge amount of money for coverage just in stations, not on moving trains. And the major carriers have to partner with Transit Wireless to get coverage for their subscribers. Is this really needed?
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Re: Huh?

said by rickonline:

Some stations are already in range of a signal in some spots. Sounds like a huge amount of money for coverage just in stations, not on moving trains. And the major carriers have to partner with Transit Wireless to get coverage for their subscribers. Is this really needed?
So now we will have roaming charges in the subway? Or since most national carriers have no-roaming plans, that means we just wont have service in the subway.

wifi4milez
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said by ctggzg:

Inside the subway cars, okay, but in the stations? Who whips out their laptop during a 10-minute wait?
Laptops?? This has nothing to do with laptops. This is so people on the platforms can use their cell phones in case of delays or emergencies. The article pretty clearly outlines why they are doing this.
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Re: Huh?

said by wifi4milez:

The article pretty clearly outlines why they are doing this.
I think this thread is quite possibly the worst I've seen here in a long time where folks just spout off without even glancing at the linked article...

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Re: Huh?

said by sporkme:

said by wifi4milez:

The article pretty clearly outlines why they are doing this.
I think this thread is quite possibly the worst I've seen here in a long time where folks just spout off without even glancing at the linked article...
I agree. In all honesty, I am usually not the type of person to jump on someone for this, but the fact that it happened in comment after comment is crazy. These people are not only not reading the article, but they are also not reading the other peoples comments (and the correcting responses) related to this news items.
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Awesome!

Now every jerkoff will be on the train with their notebooks on their laps IM'ing away. Dirty stares will be common for stealing their seat during rush hour.

Seriously.. This is a cool move. We're finally gonna have something as advanced as Japan, stipulating that there is coverage.

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Uhhhh

2 Years, and then another 8 to be fully finished? Uhhh.....

Anyone feel a problem with this I doubt that current Wireless Standards will be in use at least on a major scale 10 years from now with the rate networking equipment is being expanded. 10 Years ago we were still running Dial Up and Laptops didn't start having network cards standard for a bit after that.
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Re: Uhhhh

said by Edrick:

2 Years, and then another 8 to be fully finished? Uhhh.....

Anyone feel a problem with this I doubt that current Wireless Standards will be in use at least on a major scale 10 years from now with the rate networking equipment is being expanded. 10 Years ago we were still running Dial Up and Laptops didn't start having network cards standard for a bit after that.
Again, please read the article. This is related to cellular networks. You know, GSM and CDMA? Those will still be in place for well more than 10 years. Even the data supported by these technologies will be easily upgradeable with a simply hardware switch if necessary.
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Re: Uhhhh

Which will require another 5-10 years and an additional $50 mil to install...

You really think CDMA will be around in 10 years? Cell phone providers are now charging customers an EXTRA monthly fee of roughly $5 (plus tax) to use phones with that technology in the hope that they can get them to quit using them, and further, claiming that the CDMA infrastructure is becoming more and more expensive to maintain an effective level of service for that very same now-dwindling population of users (caused, largely, by their own outrageous pricing tactics).
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That was preposterous! Utter Nonsense! Totally unsupportable drivel! You can't be serious!....Um, what did you say?

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Re: Uhhhh

said by BuriedCaesar:

You really think CDMA will be around in 10 years? Cell phone providers are now charging customers an EXTRA monthly fee of roughly $5 (plus tax) to use phones with that technology in the hope that they can get them to quit using them, and further, claiming that the CDMA infrastructure is becoming more and more expensive to maintain an effective level of service for that very same now-dwindling population of users (caused, largely, by their own outrageous pricing tactics).
People PLEASE do some research here!!!! You are talking about TDMA, not CDMA! CDMA is what both Verizon and Sprint use, and it is the largest deployed network in the US.
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said by wifi4milez:

People PLEASE do some research here!!!! You are talking about TDMA, not CDMA! CDMA is what both Verizon and Sprint use, and it is the largest deployed network in the US.
Why should we "people" need to do this "research" of which you speak, when "we" have you? Sorry to have been the source of some disappointment. But now you've spelled it out and "we" all now know the difference, without having had to do the research - so, thanks!
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Rhanlav
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$40?

Hehe. Its interesting to see how much Verizon and Sprint think the business of wireless in the subway is first. Seriously, 40 bucks? Thats not an offer, thats more like ordering a few pizzas for the New York City Transit. They should have offered at least 80 bucks.

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good for H@H

That means those guys with uma cell phones can call for free there. thats great.

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Re: good for H@H

said by jgkolt:

That means those guys with uma cell phones can call for free there. thats great.
How are free calls involved in this project? This will be no different than using your cell phone anywhere else.
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Re: good for H@H

will you be getting wifi signal?

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said by jgkolt:

will you be getting wifi signal?
No. This is a cellular upgrade so that people can get cell phone service on the platforms. There is no wifi involved at all.
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Re: good for H@H

my bad, i read it wrong, anyways it is good for travelers. maybe it will pump up wireless sales or push more business people or kids with the do it all devices to ride then.

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said by jgkolt:

my bad, i read it wrong, anyways it is good for travelers. maybe it will pump up wireless sales or push more business people or kids with the do it all devices to ride then.
Not a problem. This is really only meant to help people in the case of an emergency. As it stands today, there is no easy way to notify police (or family members) if something happens while on the subway platform. The city has been pushing people to report suspicious activity in the stations and on the trains for years, and now they finally can!
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Wow, wireless on the subways!

A possible crime increase as idiots whip out their laptops and be on their cell phones and get knocked over the head and robbed?

NYC subways is not the place to break out a laptop or talk extensively on the phone.

Edit: Before I get flamed for not living in NYC, I was born and raised there and left 4 years ago for life and a home in the 'burbs.

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Re: Wow, wireless on the subways!

Trust me you don't have to be a New Yorker to know this.

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Service Provider?

Of course my question is why any of them have to pay the MTA anything at all. The providers are paying for the infrastructure and the upkeep. It sounds like a tribute payment to the MTA for nothing more than the right to run the wires you are already paying for. I would be interested to see who the first provider will be to sign up with Transit Wireless. If none of the major providers want to sign up then it could be some very expensive dead air underground or the roaming charges to the major carriers will be horrendous.
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Uh, maybe for the right for Transit Wireless to do business within MTA's premises? Sort of the same way all major carriers are paying an increasing number of building owners around the city to install communications equipment atop tall residential buildings?

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Re: Service Provider?

Exactly - it's a lease. Similarly, US Cellular paid $2.9 million for a 10-year lease to deploy its CDMA network in the Chicago subway tunnels.
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One less place to end a call by saying "I'm losing signal.."

Great. More places for people to user their Blackberries. Fan-freakin-tastic.

As for laptops, people are going to expect their wireless broadband connections to work once this is in place, since they do run off the cellular networks. So yeah, some people will be pounding away on their laptops on the platforms.

I can understand needing to - grab or send that presentation you forgot, shoot off that email, or if you get that "we're going be stuck in the tunnel for a long time" feeling, to download some music or videos to pass the time.
I can't say I understand why you would want to just surf in one of the most public places there are.

In-station news reports with web cam feeds might be come popular though.
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