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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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| Re: And this will change things how??? They'll drop bundled phone service and raise rates. Ohio customers will be especially hit since they are required to use 2 providers for DSL. and outside ISP and VZ for the DSL Signal to the CO.
Although if prices go up outside ISPs may have an advantage of signing up more customers if Wholesale Prices do not go up as well. | |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
| Funny I just cancelled Verizon yesterday and cited forced bundling. The customer service rep on the phone admitted that quite a few people are pleased with the service and price of DSL but aren't happy with having to pay an additional $20 for an unlisted voice line. It simply makes them uncompetitive. With Verizon's increase to 1500/384 for the $30-$35 residential package, it certainly opens the door for them to offer their own VoIP services packaged with DSL. That would certainly be something I would consider if their VoIP was priced on par with competitors like VoicePulse, Broadvoice and Vonage.
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join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| Re: Funny Personally I think its a great idea and I hope Verizon follows through. I first got DSL with VZ about 3 years ago then switched to Comcast HSI after two years because I wanted to not have a land line becaues I use my mobile for all my calls.
Then this year when I moved I switched back to VZ DSL because it was so much cheaper than Comcast and although Comcast was fast I truly don't need a super fast connection to read articles, send email and watch vidoes.
So I love my VZ DSL but would love it more without the landline attached. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: Funny said by NPGMBR  :
So I love my VZ DSL but would love it more without the landline attached.
Don't get too excited yet, this is all speculation. Verizon always likes to talk big but when it comes to delivering on the goods they are always lacking. Look at the recent "upgrade" they are offering. My conspiracy-minded side says that they "moved" all their customers further away from the CO just so they would not need to do any actual upgrades, but I'm chalking that up to a massive database error instead.
I'm just wondering how many DSL customers are going to be knocked offline when they call to cancel their phone service. Nothing Verizon does ever runs smoothly, I can't imagine they will make it easy for you to cancel your phone line.
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join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL | Re: Funny Yep, the only difference between Verizon and a bag of crap is the bag. | |
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join:2003-03-13
Montreal, QC | Re: Funny Yes! LOL! Biggest laugh of the day! Note that quote! | |
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| I've heard this from my reseller as well, so it is more than just a rumor. The question yet unanswered is if Verizon will let the resellers provide service on a dry pair, or if they will keep that option to themselves.
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Formerly TwoKDialup
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
| Have it your way! Providing the customer with the services they want, nothing more. By golly, I think these ILEC telcos are starting to catch on.
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jjoshua
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | Re: How about cable? What makes you think that Verizon wouldn't charge a higher price would give you a bundle discount for DSL if you don't have local phone service with them? | |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| Re: How about cable? said by jjoshua :
What makes you think that Verizon wouldn't charge a higher price would give you a bundle discount for DSL if you don't have local phone service with them?
Indeed that is what Qwest does. They charge an extra $5/month to provide DSL without local phone service.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
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join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | One must lease the copper wire ether for voice of DSL. TPC (The Phone Company) can't use the wire for any thing else if you have DSL on it. | |
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| What about HellSouth? Considering the have the most expensive 1.5x256 ADSL out there I would think they'd be the biggest candidate that consumers would look for effort in change.
Its crazy that one can get cable-modem service without cable television, but people in the Southeast cannot get ILEC ADSL without POTS. | |
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join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
| Re: What about HellSouth? There was a short mention of this on their promotion website for DSL resellers earlier this year. They have since removed it from that page though so it's possible they changed their plans. FWIW, here is what it said.
"New products coming later in 2004
1.5M X 256K Residential Class Single IP Session Standalone DSL Service - This voiceless ADSL service will be offered as one flavor of the “Session-based DSL” service described elsewhere within this bulletin. It will enable customers to order ADSL service at ADSL qualified locations without requiring the customers to have existing ADSL-compatible voice service." | |
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join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| Business customers, from what I have been told, already have this option, mainly because Bellsouth already offers VoIP to business customers.
Now, if they could offer naked DSL and then follow that up with a consumer VoIP offering I think the consumer market would find them more appealing and lose the nazi-like image they have now. | |
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jesseb_66
join:2002-12-06
Tucson, AZ | Hope they stay true to their word. I so hope this comes true. I would love to get VoIP once it is available from VZ but I won't not if I had to have a landline as well. | |
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Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| makes since My friends at Qwest told me the Grand Pooka of Qwest and his
Brown Noses of the round table decided it was better to have just a DSL customer then no customer at all. Seems like a no brainer but as I have said here before the Bell Telephone executives are now all retired they couldn't get their minds away from telephones forever. I remember a sale
US West had years ago. they where selling off old computers
all were IBM PC's they where all from US West upper level management, all most all of them where unused.
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join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH | Re: makes since I wouldn't just yet get all excited about this. Verizon in their clueless wisdom will just do what Comcast does now if you just buy internet services. That being, Verizon will charge more for the DSL service if bought unbundled from other services. | |
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join:2003-04-05
Kailua, HI | A new vision for Verizon? It was announced last week that Verizon Hawaii had separated their landline & DSL service into 2 different entities & then sold off the landline company.
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
1 edit | That means more money for vonage. I would drop comcrap in a HEARTBEAT if that were the case. Think about it, phone service from vonage, tv from Direct tv, and DSL from verion, you cant beat the savings.
26$ for vonage +39$ for dish + 29/39$ from verizon 100 bucks a month for everyhting OR
60$ for comcrap digital, 39.99 for comcrap internet, 59.99 for verizon big package 150 dollars a month. 30% savings. Verizon would experience a drop in phoen customers but a BIG increase in internet customers. I dont see why not, they can regain control from comcrap.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: That means more money for vonage. said by vic102482 :
I Verizon would experience a drop in phoen customers but a BIG increase in internet customers.
I doubt it. Considering most of Verizon's customers can't even get DSL to begin with, and considering that Verizon isn't planning on changing that situation, the only possible gains that can come would be from those select areas in Verizon territory that can get DSL.
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Re: That means more money for vonage. said by pnh102 :
said by vic102482 :
I Verizon would experience a drop in phoen customers but a BIG increase in internet customers.
I doubt it. Considering most of Verizon's customers can't even get DSL to begin with, and considering that Verizon isn't planning on changing that situation, the only possible gains that can come would be from those select areas in Verizon territory that can get DSL.
Yeah I forgot about that whole loop length thread. Well thats on Verizon, its no ones fault but their own. However once they are able to get DSL over fiber, alot of new areas will open up.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: That means more money for vonage. said by vic102482 :
However once they are able to get DSL over fiber, alot of new areas will open up.
LOL, don't hold your breath. My mom has been waiting 6 years now to get DSL to her house. She finally gave up and went with Comcast when they wired the area up 2 years ago. I'm hoping she does what I did and "cuts the cord" to Verizon altogether.
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@verizon.ne
| Re: That means more money for vonage. Unfortunately, a lot of the loop length database information is INCORRECT. You have to CALL and then ARGUE about the loop length. You may (or probably) will get an override unless if its definitely something serious (fiber, no DSLAM in RT, etc.) You just gotta try... and gotta try again... and again.... and again. Good luck!
(PS: I had DSL... the database shows--and still shows--me at 24k and after 8 calls, I finally got the upgrade scheduled for this Friday... hopefully it'll go through.) | |
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Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Re: That means more money for vonage. said by verizonuser1:
You just gotta try... and gotta try again... and again.... and again. Good luck!
Why should I have to go through all that trouble though? Isn't Verizon supposed to be best equipped at separating me from my money? 
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| Re: That means more money for vonage. True... but some people don't have any options (like me). I can't use cable broadband ('cause I have no cable connection... at all) ... and charging me and my neighbors $60/mo is insane. I didn't like the idea of spending even more for satellite. DSL was the only choice for me (and for many others).... both price-wise and availability. :-( | |
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join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
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| Re: That means more money for vonage. said by verizonuser1:
True... but some people don't have any options (like me). I can't use cable broadband ('cause I have no cable connection... at all) ... and charging me and my neighbors $60/mo is insane. I didn't like the idea of spending even more for satellite. DSL was the only choice for me (and for many others).... both price-wise and availability. :-(
You're making EVERYONE pay more for DSL with this tactic of attempting to override by arguing 8 times now that your loop will qualify for DSL when it doesn't.
It costs Verizon (or any company for that matter) money to send out a tech, send you equipment, have you told that it's NOT available like you were told on the FIRST phone call to begin with (never mind the 7 orders after that), etc.
I think I'll tell a well-digger that even though the water table is 190 feet below the surface, I want to test it year after year to see if I can dig a man made lake. Oh, and I want to do that free of charge if the water table hasn't risen yet. Is this a fair thing to try? Or should I just get it through my thick head that it's not possible when I'm TOLD that it's not possible??
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| Re: That means more money for vonage. Yeah but the data was incorrect which means that Verizon was not giving him a service that he should have had in the first place. I dont know about you, but if I was moved out even further after calling into get a deal Id be pissed.
2002 Oh your at 6 thousand feet and we can only provide to those of 5K or less
2004 Oh you are at 22 thousand feed at wek can only provide to those of 18K or less.
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join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
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| Re: That means more money for vonage. said by vic102482 :
Yeah but the data was incorrect which means that Verizon was not giving him a service that he should have had in the first place. I dont know about you, but if I was moved out even further after calling into get a deal Id be pissed.
2002 Oh your at 6 thousand feet and we can only provide to those of 5K or less
2004 Oh you are at 22 thousand feed at wek can only provide to those of 18K or less.
Verizon never promised him a service at all! He was told EVERY time that he did not qualify. It does not matter whether the rep knew WHY he didn't qualify- the rep told him that "the system says you don't qualify"
It was HE that kept calling and demanding that it must be available to him despite the fact that he was told multiple times that it was NOT available to him. He's pissed because he can't get it. He can certainly be disappointed at that fact. But to blame the company for NOT providing him a service that he kept badgering them to "admit" is available despite the fact that it's not?
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join:2002-12-06
Tucson, AZ | I am pretty sure Verizon will be offering VoIP by the end of the summer so this isn't necessarily true that Vonage will get the rest of the customers. | |
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chuckpint
join:2001-07-06
Evanston, IL
| Now to force SBC to ditch forced bundling I just sent the Illinois Commerce Commission a complaint about SBC's forced bundling. I've love to ditch SBC, but I can't have a DSL line without phone service. I have Covad as a DSL last mile provider, and they quite rightly point out that SBC's policy is the only reason I can't disconnect the phone service. So I have to pay about $13 a month (total cost with taxes and fees) for a phone line I never use. Here's the URL if anyone else in Illinois wants to send the ICC a complaint about this:
»www.icc.state.il.us/ci/publicutility.aspx
Of course Comcast is just as bad, I can't have cable modem internet service without buying cable TV service. If there was a third choice, I'd take it... | |
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | It was to my understanding that you could get cable internet without tv, just for like 15-20 bucks more, which is a rip off. | |
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| Re: Verizon Offers Stand-Alone DSL to Keep Customers Verizon said the unadvertised deal, in place for a couple of months, was designed to hold onto customers who were dropping their regular Verizon service for wireless plans.
So what this *actually* means is that Verizon will allow you to purchase DSL without a landline IF you buy Verizon's cellular phone service. They're still getting your money -- not so benevolent after all... | |
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join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA
·Comcast
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| Re: Verizon Offers Stand-Alone DSL to Keep Customers i have written verizon many times asking when naked dsl will be available; typically i have rec'd some boilerplate, generic reponse that said nothing. i've long written in these forums that verizon needs to wake up from their cavalier attitude of forcing unneeded & unwanted landlines down consumers' throats. the future of the landline is not unlike the future of the neatly arranged chairs on the deck of the titantic. i'd consider naked dsl as an alternative to comcast, but i will not pay for a landline that i neither need nor want. bub | |
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join:2003-03-13
Montreal, QC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
| Re: Verizon Offers Stand-Alone DSL to Keep Custome Freakin' Brilliant!!!
wow, just when you think the $50 Billion dollar lumbering oaf has figured it out, (that they have to play fair in a 'competitive' marketplace) they discover a new way to continue to be anti-competitive, leveraging their Monopoly power!!! This is like instantly giving a $20 surcharge to Sprint,T-Mobile, Cingular et Al when people look to compare Mobile access/plans!
amazing....
Talk about taking lemons, and making lemonade!
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join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | Lets see if SBC jumps on A second dsl line would be kickass. | |
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Naked DSL
And this will change things how???
How about cable?