 jc1350
join:2004-09-23 1 edit | just like anything else If my ISP wants to give me FREE access supported by ads, then fine. But, if I'm paying my hard-earned money to an ISP, then they need my explicit permission before they waste the bandwidth I'm paying for with their stupid, annoying ads. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: just like anything else You can opt out of the ads  | |
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| Re: just like anything else Or, as is proposed, you can 'opt-in'. I fail to see how you get any benefit by being forced to 'opt-out', when instead, you should get a clear benefit by being allowed to 'opt-in'. It's your data, what you do with your internet connection is between YOU and the site you are connected too. I fail to see how anyone else should see that information. Granted, they have the ability to see that, but that's not what we pay the ISP money for every month. We are paying to allow our computer to connect to another computer (who is also paying an ISP). That's the limit of what we pay for. -- The happiest countries are the most secular. The struggle AGAINST corporations is the struggle FOR humanity! | |
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| Re: just like anything else jc1350 was concerned about wasting bandwidth on targeted ads, hence my comment that s/he can opt-out of the ads to conserve bandwidth.
The discussions for opt-in vs opt-out, value added service, "your date", and what you pay for when you procure service with an ISP are all separate debates. | |
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| said by karlmarx :Or, as is proposed, you can 'opt-in'. I fail to see how you get any benefit by being forced to 'opt-out', when instead, you should get a clear benefit by being allowed to 'opt-in'. It's your data, what you do with your internet connection is between YOU and the site you are connected too. I fail to see how anyone else should see that information. Granted, they have the ability to see that, but that's not what we pay the ISP money for every month. We are paying to allow our computer to connect to another computer (who is also paying an ISP). That's the limit of what we pay for. If, as you say, the system were opt-in and I got some kind of benefit out it - say a $5 credit on my monthly ISP bill - and could clearly tell from the TOS what my data was being used for then I *MIGHT* consider letting a company like NebuAd track my browsing habits.
Frankly, this is how all such systems should work... allow the consumer to opt-in and then compensate them somehow for access to their personal info that these companies so badly desire. I suppose we can all dream... or form a lobbyist group and pay huge sums of money to our elected representatives to stand up for such common-sense legislation. | |
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 |  |  |  |   SLD Premium join:2002-04-17 | Re: just like anything else Pretty scary that someone would give up their privacy for a measly $5/mo. | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: just like anything else And I would expect that a vast majority of sheep consumers would gladly share their browsing info for a $5 decrease in their bill. | |
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| But not the tracking. Even if you read the fine print of your ISP's TOS to find out that you were being tracked and even if you figured out where to go to opt out of the ads, NebuAD would still be tracking every website you visited with no option for you to turn off the tracking.
It would be much better if they built an opt-in system (with rewards/incentives to get people to sign up). | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: just like anything else That wasn't the OP's concern. | |
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join:2004-09-23
| Re: just like anything else Not in my post anyway. But as a whole I'm sick and tired of companies treating people's info as a commodity to sell and trade.
I know the law may differ, but in my view, just because I give company A my money in exchange for a product/service, they have no right to sell my contact info to Company B. The default action for all of these BS shenanigans should be "opt-in" with informed consent. | |
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| Re: just like anything else Unless consumers actually start reading those little "privacy statements", I wouldn't expect any public outrage sufficient enough to affect change. My philosophy is that if I have something that I don't want someone else to know, I won't share it in a public forum and I most definitely will read all ToS and privacy statements. | |
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| Re: just like anything else Except that ISPs by and large don't monitor your connection. They maintain logs, sure, but they don't tally those logs to find out what sites you personally have been visiting.
I actually do think that NebuAd's death would help to keep ISPs from inserting ads into the web pages that their customers view. ISPs, generally, don't want to anger their customers and having more ads popping up simply to earn the ISP extra bucks would anger the customers.
In addition, if the ISP starts placing additional ads on webpages, the website owners might have a case against them. After all, they are using the copyrighted content of those websites for profit without the permission of the contents' owners. -- -Jason Levine Support a children's charity. Buy a calendar. Shooting For A Cause Jason's Toolbox | PCQandA.com | |
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join:2004-09-23 | I shouldn't have to opt-out if I'm paying for service. They should tell me exactly what they want, then ask for my permission. And they should not enable until until they get an explicit "yes." That means no answer/reply = "no." | |
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join:2004-01-26 Alexandria, VA | Re: just like anything else They do tell you exactly what they want and gain your permission each month that you pay your bill. | |
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| Re: just like anything else said by TKJunkMail :like Google(who is no different than Nebuad). That's baloney. You clearly don't know how NebuAd was designed to work. Nebuad inserts a hardware device in the ISP's network to intercept communications between your computer and the website you are attempting to reach. NebuAd has conceded that its boxes utilized deep packet inspection to pull out URLs and search terms. That profile is then used deliver tailored ads.
In addition NebuAd then delivers a faked additional packet of data into the html code of the page being viewed. It's cross-site scripting and a man-in-the-middle attack. NebuAd is violating core internet protocols - data packets are altered by a device in between your computer and the site you wish to view. | |
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| Re: just like anything else said by seagreen :In addition NebuAd then delivers a faked additional packet of data into the html code of the page being viewed. It's cross-site scripting and a man-in-the-middle attack. NebuAd is violating core internet protocols - data packets are altered by a device in between your computer and the site you wish to view. Who cares HOW they do it. The result is the same - all the data is collected and used to ship you targeted ads. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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| Re: just like anything else said by TKJunkMail :said by seagreen :In addition NebuAd then delivers a faked additional packet of data into the html code of the page being viewed. It's cross-site scripting and a man-in-the-middle attack. NebuAd is violating core internet protocols - data packets are altered by a device in between your computer and the site you wish to view. Who cares HOW they do it. The result is the same - all the data is collected and used to ship you targeted ads. Uhh, TK, try again. There is a HUGE difference between an ISP logging your usage history and what NebuAd does. seagreen summed it up very nicely. Oh, btw, I CARE! | |
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| and now as we head for metered bandwidth, all those fancy multimedia ads will die off(hopefully, website ads with sound should be illegal). paying for CATV and seeing ads is one thing, but i dont pay more for cable if suddenly the ads are sent in HD. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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  NickD Premium join:2000-11-17 Princeton Junction, NJ clubs: 1 edit | Gee I Wonder Why Common sense is actually being used! Hooray
Advertisers wouldn't want to associate their products with this service | |
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@prkcorp.com | Re: Gee I Wonder Why Let's not get too ahead of ourselves. I'll only believe it when NebuAd either goes completely out of business or is forced to use opt-in. | |
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 |   scelli Native New Yorker Premium join:1999-08-07 USA
| said by NickD :Common sense is actually being used! Hooray Advertisers wouldn't want to associate their products with this service I find this direct quote below from NebuAd regarding what is apparently their business model as more inciting and insulting to the average person than many a profane, tirade-laced rant viewed here at DSLR on a daily basis:
"Today, NebuAd employs about 60 employees, including many leading behavioral scientists and other advanced technology engineers. We have built a sophisticated behavioral targeting system and unique appliance technology, which provide value to the entire online advertising ecosystem. We intend to continue to develop and market our solutions."
Three words immediately come to mind: how dare they!  -- The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters! | |
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  Hazeleyze
join:2003-05-09 Wauseon, OH | Momentary Set Back A momentary set back until they can come up with another sneaky advertising gimmick. | |
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  BabyBear Keep wise ...with Night-Owl
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| And I would have gotten away with it..... if it weren't for you meddling kids! (and scooby!) 
Got a feeling somewhere down the road the NebuAd guys will "be back". The potential profit will keep the slimeballs thinking up slimey new ways to sell off anything and everything to do with user's info.  | |
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  Rogue Wolf Is Kind Of A Big Deal In Yemen
join:2003-08-12 Troy, NY | Willy Wonka said it best.... "You LOSE! Good DAY, sir."
In other words, keep your mitts off my bits! (and bytes!) | |
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join:2000-07-11 Youngsville, NC | It couldn't have happened to more deserving people. It couldn't have happened to more deserving people. | |
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| Re: It couldn't have happened to more deserving people. said by scooper :It couldn't have happened to more deserving people. Here! Here! 
Let the whole bunch of 'em hang at dawn. Enough with some Madison Avenue weak-kneed, slack-jawed jellyfish of an advertising punk telling me what I want or don't want.
It's really simple regarding the latter: What I don't want is any of their nonsense.  -- The maximum effective range of an excuse is ZERO meters! | |
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  major marco Res Firma Mitescere Nescit Premium join:2003-02-13 Stepford, CA clubs:
| Same Shit Different Day Echoing what some have said previously, this is but a minor setback. The NebuAD people will be back just as soon as they figure out how much $$$$$$$$ it's going to cost them to buy a few key Congre$$ional reps to approve their product. Of course, there will be the obligatory bullshit about opting out of tracking, but the reality will be lip service only. | |
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  dadkins Can you do Blu? Premium,MVM join:2003-09-26 Hercules, CA
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| Hmmm... ... targeted ads - as in ads for similar "things" that I cruise for daily?
Porn? They will offer up more porn sites? Probably sites I'm already a member at, huh? Naw, crash and burn already NebuAD! -- Think outside the Fox... Opera | |
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 |   Kylemaul Lovin' My Firefox 1.5.x Premium join:2001-03-30 North Port, FL clubs: | Re: Hmmm... LOL, the porn sites don't even need NebuAd--they have already had a similar system in place for years. Like they'd cut NebuAd in on their action.  | |
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join:2003-05-12 Charlton, MA | UH...GOOD... I hope all the employee's are sleeping on the streets soon. | |
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