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Not a Dumptruck
join:2001-10-21
London, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·Bell Sympatico
| Go Big or Go Home This is something that is going to need to be taken to the max in terms of bringing it to light. Any compromises offered by Bell and accepted by those affected will simply prolong their greedy management of their half of the Canadian Internet duopoly. They need to go for the kill shot here.
This is a chance for wholesaler ISPs, as well as content providers (e.g. CBC) to ensure their traffic is respected as much as a user surfing the bell.ca homepage.
Maybe Bell should spend less money on trying to put out fires (installing packet inspection tech) and a little more on the fire prevention (network capacity).
Otherwise, if they're going to offer speeds of 10-20% of rated speed during "peak hours", which are when normal people are home to use it, they need to be held accountable to dropping their costs by the same -- or be mandated to clearly state that they offer 10-20% service during normal usage hours. Charge users for going over? How about discounting users when Bell goes under....
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
·Cruzio Internet
| Re: Go Big or Go Home I don't know what Bell CA contract says but if it's anything like in the US ... Up To ...
Using those marketing terms to prop up infrastructure instead of building up is a crock.
Up To should be outlawed everywhere, it's just another way to rip off customers.
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travisc
join:2001-11-09
Port Perry, ON | Contracts Can't someone just read the tariffs? Isn't this all controlled by the relevant tariff on the bce.ca website? | |
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Davebo_
join:2002-11-19
Canada
| Fools Now Comcast leaves Bell out in the cold by stopping throttling (or at least announcing they are). Bell is looking very foolish all of a sudden, with most parties against them.
Serves the idiots right!  | |
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TheWabbit
@hp.com | ??? How come only Bell is always the only one in the spotlight? I would assume the same logic should apply to Rogers or any providers that throttle. It just feels like Rogers can get away with murder... | |
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DSU
You fail at life.
Premium
join:2002-05-20
London, ON | Re: ??? Because had you been paying attention, Bell began throttling it's wholesalers. This is a big no no.
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jericho
join:2001-07-20
Halifax, NS
·Eastlink Cable
| 99% of isps in the usa and canada throttle 99% of isp's in the usa and Canada throttle most protocols to an extent, the only protocol that usually is left untouched is http, that is there main priority. web surfing, thats all isp's want anyone to do on there networks and nothing else , didnt you know this lol. But yeah we only hear about the big companies that throttle but I'm in Nova Scotia ,Canada and I'm on Eastlink as an isp and they have (on paper) a 15mbit tier which i am on but i never ever usually see any higher then 5mbits cause they throttle most everything to death , especially in the evenings and it gets really frustrating . I do a lot of ftp downloading whicch it throttled/capped to 5mbits, I think its unfair that we pay for a service that these boozooo's advertise but most times we never see the speeds they promise. its all just a marketing ploy. http is the only protocol my isp does not throttle but who needs 15mbits to surf, its nice for video streams but other then that id rather have good speeds with ftp, nntp ect... . anyway im done with my rant but as you see we only hear about the big companies that throttle but never the little ones but believe me most isp's throttle users to death. | |
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beeker
@bell.ca
| What is the real reason for capping and traffic shaping? Quoted from a Bell/Sympatico notice recently posted in other forums had this info in it. As Bell/Sympatico would never release the actual numbers, Here is somewhat of an extrapolation.
"Important Usage Billing Changes
dated March 13, 2008"
"only 5% of our base exceeds 60GB/month. In fact 82% of customers stay under 10GB /month."
This leave 13% of customers using between 10 and 60GB/month.
So using the above info at worst case usages:
82 x 10GB = 820GB
13 x 60GB = 780GB
820GB + 780GB = 1600GB
1600GB/95 = 16.8 GB
In effect 95% of Sympatico's own user base average about 17GB a month at worst.
Now lets say the other 5% use 500GB a month on average per user:
5 x 500GB = 2500GB
1600GB + 2500GB = 4100GB
4100GB/100 = 41GB
so as per Bell/Sympatico's numbers: overall, I don't see a real issue here with total amounts of bandwidth used, as 41GB is not a huge amount in our present internet world....
So what is the real reason for capping and traffic shaping? | |
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nanook
ex redbaron
join:2007-12-02
·Bell Sympatico
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| Re: What is the real reason for capping and traffic shaping? said by beeker :
total amounts of bandwidth used, as 41GB is not a huge amount in our present internet world....
So what is the real reason for capping and traffic shaping? Fine for the present but what is the rate of growth? If it doubles every few months then Bell and the other ISPs may simply be trying to forestall an impending bandwidth crunch that would impact everyone, including low-bandwidth users.
You cannot fault them for that (although you can for the way they are going about it.) | |
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Scrappy2
join:2007-09-28
Kingston, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Cogeco Cable
| bell one company to rule the world You can fault them they've been making money hand over fist for decades first with their monopoly on Phone services (until cellphones became common place) and then with their internet services).
They had the money to upgrade all their internet equipment but decided to pocket the money.
Bell had no problem taking Teks's money as they did not see them as a threat.Now that they do Bell feels like they must mess with service as to gain keep the upper hand.
It's all about control. | |
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jlancaster
@telus.net
| Geist and Net Neutrality »www.hiscifi.com/ has had Geist live this last friday and he clearly outline how dangerous and manipulative this is. as Irma Arkus pointed out, we are losing the ability to create the next Googles and You-Tubes, because of these ridiculous policies of access providers. How is this not going against fair business policies? | |
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Net Neutrality Fight Comes To Canada
