Net Neutrality Is Dead. This Is Just The Twitching We're Now Fighting Over Rules That Don't Do Anything Anyway CNET takes a look at the various ways Republicans are trying to kill the FCC's new neutrality rules, from a joint "Resolution of Disapproval" aimed at nullifying FCC rule-making, to an amendment tucked into a spending bill last week designed to eliminate FCC funding for rule enforcement. It has been interesting to see many Republican (and some Democrat) lawmakers fight so vehemently against the FCC's new network neutrality rules, when we've discussed repeatedly how they're largely for show, don't do all that much, and may be beaten down in court anyway. In fact CNET counts 16 things the rules don't cover, including wireless networks -- something AT&T and Verizon demanded: Yet the majority also noted 16 major exceptions to the discrimination rule, including carve-outs for caching, peering, content delivery networks, mobile broadband, virtual private networks, IP-based voice and video services, and other specialized applications, including telemedicine, that run on the ISPs broadband infrastructure. It was not clear why these particular non-neutral practices, which the majority acknowledged are "inconsistent" with the new rules, had been excluded, and why the majority expressed skepticism that any future innovations would be tolerated. The CNET author in question, Larry Downes, joined vociferous neutrality opponent Brett Glass and Public Knowledge's Gigi Sohn before Congress last week at a neutrality hearing that covered absolutely no new ground in the debate. All three at least agreed that the FCC should have spent more time on competition and less time on weak rules. Meanwhile Republicans, many driven toward crushing the rules simply as contrarian partisans -- don't seem to really understand the rules probably won't survive legal assault -- and if they do are so loophole filled they won't do much of anything anyway. We declared network neutrality dead last September. This is just the twitching. All of this is rather fitting for a debate that began with a CEO making absurd, ridiculous statements that he was going to charge companies who already pay for bandwidth an extra toll just to reach his customers. That was followed by five years of silly cartoons and people screaming at one another, culminating in the largest carriers convincing a pay-to-play government to pass paper thin rules -- instead of reclassifying ISPs as common carriers or seriously tackling market competition issues. We now get to enjoy several years of partisan gridlock and legal battles, and aside from slightly more intelligent network management systems, very little will have actually gotten accomplished. At least we got a show.
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 | | BYE BYE FCC. Just what needed to be done. If they can't follow the guidelines that were given to them to follow; then they don't need any "power" to create nor enforce any. That's what happens when you over step your boundaries. It's about time someone decided to put them in their place. Next step- Kill the FCC and start all over with just what they were meant to enforce. | |
|  |  dib22 join:2002-01-27 Kansas City, MO | Re: BYE BYE said by hottboiinnc:Next step- Kill the FCC and start all over with just what they were meant to enforce. Yea... who needs to have organized spectrum! Let's make it a free for all... whoever has the strongest signal wins! | |
|  |  |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Re: BYE BYE said by dib22:said by hottboiinnc:Next step- Kill the FCC and start all over with just what they were meant to enforce. Yea... who needs to have organized spectrum! Let's make it a free for all... whoever has the strongest signal wins! Uh, that actually was what the FCC was meant to enforce. The interstate commerce justification naturally applies to all airborne RF uses. -- "Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service. | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: BYE BYE that is correct. There is even a movie on it. Search for it on NetFlix. The FCC was created to kill off radio pirates/private radio stations. | |
|  |  |  |  |  | | Re: BYE BYE You are correct, that may be what they were created for. Just like our government was created to serve it's people.
Now the FCC has evolved, legally, to deal with many forms of communication (which the internet is a form of) and our government has evolved into serving corporations and their high society friends. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: BYE BYE NOT correct. The Internet is NOT a communications service. It has been ruled and classified as an Information Service. Sorry. Even the FCC has said that. How do you think its not taxed. If it was a Communications service it would be taxed; the same as telephone.
and the FCC has not evolved legally. They evolved illegally with trying to regulated anything they see fit just as a money grab for them. It's about damned time that Congress got tired of hearing about their illegal doings and rules. The next stop is finally making ANY government office accountable for when their sued for illegal wrong doing. Such as the FCC. If companies can be fined; so should the gov't and the money be donated to a non-profit that is NOT connected to any gov't office. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY | Re: BYE BYE said by hottboiinnc:NOT correct. The Internet is NOT a communications service. It has been ruled and classified as an Information Service. Sorry. Even the FCC has said that. How do you think its not taxed. If it was a Communications service it would be taxed; the same as telephone.
Taxation has nothing to do with it, that's a typical ignoramus argument of Repugs.
and the FCC has not evolved legally. They evolved illegally with trying to regulated anything they see fit just as a money grab for them. It's about damned time that Congress got tired of hearing about their illegal doings and rules. The next stop is finally making ANY government office accountable for when their sued for illegal wrong doing. Such as the FCC. If companies can be fined; so should the gov't and the money be donated to a non-profit that is NOT connected to any gov't office. Please, hottboiinnc, stop spreading your uneducated, inane BS - try to learn how to use at least Wikipedia:
The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 as the successor to the Federal Radio Commission and is charged with regulating all non-federal government use of the radio spectrum (including radio and television broadcasting), and all interstate telecommunications (wire, satellite and cable) as well as all international communications that originate or terminate in the United States.
Stop fuckin' posting clueless Repug crap. --
said by bicker:Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  |  | | For the record, I did not use the term communication service for the internet. However, I did use communication in a very generic term being that the internet is many hosts communicating across the same network whether it be TV, Phone, VOIP, or whatever else you want to try to exclude it from.
Beyond that, I think Kamm there set you straight enough. I would like to point out the humor in the fact you ignored the other half of my message which is really 99.9999% of the problem to begin with. | |
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 |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | The Lobbyist with the most money wins! (Hint: It's not me or you) | |
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 DavePR join:2008-06-04 Canyon Country, CA | FCC: declare Internet a Class 2 Common Carrier
When right-wing extremists accuse others of "picking winners and losers" they are betraying their own desires.
BTW: Power lines are tuned to 60 Hz. They are not made to transmit frequencies that interfere with police radios and the military, let alone Amateur radio. No reason you can't hire some kids and bury some fiber. Hell, aren't there a bunch of idle laborers looking for work? Let's get busy. | |
|  |  | | Re: FCC: declare Internet a Class 2 Common Carrier It's too late for the FCC to declare them as a Common Carrier. They already ruled an Information Service and that is done. They didn't do what they should have long ago to get their hands on it. and NEVER will. Anything the FCC decides they can try to regulate turns to shit or gets nothing but taxes added to it. They'll list the Internet as a common carrier- and the next thing will happen as it will be taxed to high hell. And actually certain things should be given higher status over others; Digital Phone products- NOT Vonage. and TeleMed is another. NOT NetFlix. | |
|  |  |  | | Re: FCC: declare Internet a Class 2 Common Carrier So are you going to head up that committee that gets to decide what packets are more important than others for the entire world?
You do realize that the only time packet management is needed is when there is serious congestion on the network right? Any other time the packet is sent pretty much the very instant it is received. So why don't we deal with that problem to begin with by expanding capacity as needed and not put a band-aide on it by using unneeded "management"? | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: FCC: declare Internet a Class 2 Common Carrier so you'd rather be under the knife/laser in one MO and having your surgeon in Cali working on you remotely and then your connection gets down graded due to issues with streaming video? OOPS! sorry you just lost a leg from the laser. No big deal now right?
And as long as those packets are treated higher here in the States for certain things; no need to worry about the rest of the world. We need to start worrying about our own contract before we worry about others. | |
|  |  |  |  |  kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY | Re: FCC: declare Internet a Class 2 Common Carrier Jesus, what an ignorant crap - private transports (if you even know wtf does it mean) have NOTHING to do with net neutrality[/b], stop spreading your ignorant crap, I'm asking you again. | |
|  |  |  |  |  | | I would rather make sure my netflix movie streams to me jitter free instead of being down graded so some moron that wanted to get remote surgery over the internet doesn't lose his leg.
And again, management of packets (ANY PACKETS) are not needed unless there is congestion to begin with. So instead of you continuing with your band-aide fix to the internet for your short term profits, consider the long term good for your children and grand children. | |
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 | | Score one for the public good Now lets see how far the free market takes us. | |
|  |  DavePR join:2008-06-04 Canyon Country, CA | Re: Score one for the public good I have a large DSL ISP who thus far appears pretty damn neutral. My Netflix works fine at 1.5 Mb/s. I still have real usenet. Occasionally my netbook will roll to a neighbor's unsecured wifi. Time-Warner infests their broadband with "push" technology that steers you around the internet, way more than when I had it 3 or 4 years ago. Creepy.  | |
|  |  |  wistlo join:2003-01-04 New Orleans, LA | Re: Score one for the public good said by DavePR:infests their broadband with "push" technology that steers you around the internet, way more than when I had it 3 or 4 years ago. Creepy.  Could you explain the specifics of this? Is this modified routing, ads when DNS lookups fail, actually redirecting non-Time Warner URLs, or...? | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Score one for the public good I'm curious as well, "push" technology? really.... | |
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 |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by JasonOD :Now lets see how far the free market takes us. There is no free market when it comes to internet( and many other things ). The sooner people like you get that the better. | |
|  |  |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | See: Great Depression, Energy Crisis, S&L, Dot.com collapse, Mortgage Collapse, etc etc | |
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I think the point of Congress getting involved now is, though the FCC has done nothing at all to regulate the internet so far, they could in the future. And the Congress wants to foreclose on that option right now. | |
|  |  | | Re: Congress making sure FCC can't chg its mind right and as long as the Internet is an Information Service; the FCC can not legally touch it. Because it's not a Communications service. Sorry FCC. Time to go back to what you do best. Being buddies with Clear Channel and making sure no radio pirates take down their stations. | |
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 rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium join:2000-11-09 14225-2105 | merely contrarians? I think not. Thanks so much for picking on a whole political party. It is apparently impossible for Republicans (or Democrats for that matter) actually to be principled and vote for things in which they believe, or to vote against things in which they do not believe; or alternately, find ways to erode the effectiveness of things in which they do not believe (such as defunding programs or enforcement). Their whole reason for being there is simply to be contrarian children, to vote against anything just because the other party is for it. Also never mind they could actually be representative of other people. -- English is a difficult enough language to interpret correctly when its rules are followed, let alone when a writer chooses not to follow those rules.
Jeopardy! replies and randomcaps REALLY suck! | |
|  kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY | As I am saying it for years now: TIME TO DISBAND THE FCC... ...and start from scratch again, re-creating an effective, consumer-facing authority with power to regulate *anything* that fits the bill - original idea was not bad:
The FCC was established by the Communications Act of 1934 as the successor to the Federal Radio Commission and is charged with regulating all non-federal government use of the radio spectrum (including radio and television broadcasting), and all interstate telecommunications (wire, satellite and cable) as well as all international communications that originate or terminate in the United States.
Add "enforcing leveled playfield for greater competition, fostering new inventions" and we can start working on it - first we could start with kicking Comcast and Time Warner-type parasitic vultures back into their corner. -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE] | |
|  |  | | Re: As I am saying it for years now: TIME TO DISBAND THE FCC... NAOOO FCC PLEASE COME BACk I don't want my traffic prioritized or de-prioritized based on what it is! THATS WHAT MY ROUTER IS FOR, you know pfsense?
Dirty greedy ISPs, the FCC was what made it fair and encoruaged competition, now it's gona go to hell. | |
|  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | I agree, but realistically any "reform" of the FCC in the current political system means one thing and one thing only.
And it isn't enforcing consumer's right's over Corporate profit interests. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| Can't see how it's not a communications service. I can make a phone call over the internet. Sure seems like that's communications to me. When I send a e-mail I am communicating. When I use chat I am communicating.
Seems it's a communications AND information service. Sadly the Repugs are in DC now and it's a very well known fact they're going to stand firmly on the side of the corporations so you might as well get used to the fact that the internet as we know it is over unless people just do what has to be done - CUT IT OFF AND CUT OFF THEIR PROFITS. You can't afford lobbyists without those profits and since they're all deeply in debt if the people of the USA just shut off all their services - TV and Cable - guess how long it would take for investors to become nervous, creditors to demand payment and these entrenched incumbents pushed into doing what's right.
Do without the net for a few months - or do without it forever. Your choice people but remember - MONEY TALKS. Try speaking with yours. | |
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