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Netflix Inks Deal With Relativity Media
Knocks at the premium cable paywall door...
by Karl Bode Tuesday 06-Jul-2010 tags: Video · business · alternatives · content
Netflix recently struck deals with several major Hollywood studios, agreeing to delay new DVD release availability to Netflix subscribers by 30 days in exchange for expanded access to streaming film titles. Now Netflix appears to have struck a deal with independent film producer Relativity Media that will allow them to enter a pay TV window traditionally dominated by HBO, Showtime and Starz. Under the terms of the deal, Netflix gets exclusive rights to distribute Relativity content (of which there isn't much) -- instead of premium cable channels. While the companies call it "groundbreaking," it's a small win -- and seems to contribute to growing confusion by consumers as to how, when and where you'll be able to get films.

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Uncle Paul

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Expanded Access to streaming film titles

They delayed 30 days to have expanded access to trash titles. I can't see how Netflix plans on moving most of its business to streaming over the next several years when all they offer via streaming is unpopular 'B' and ancient titles.

It's ok to catch up on past seasons of a TV show, but that's about it.

So far I think Netflix (and us) got screwed on that 'bargain'.

Ytsejamer1

join:2008-01-18
Somersworth, NH

Re: Expanded Access to streaming film titles

I tend to agree and was fairly miffed when that came through, but honestly after a couple of months, I don't even notice it or care... Maybe I will in the winter months, but I really haven't even noticed it too much.

I've been enjoying watching the X-Files again and other oddball type movies on there I just never quite got a chance to see.
chimera

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There's enough good old content out there so I don't mind having to wait an extra month to see the handful of good movies released each year that I didn't see already when they were in theaters. On a related note, I'm glad I finally got to see Up.

Rob
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Cancelling Netflix - hello Amazon

Netflix's new releases really, really, suck. No fault to them (not entirely).

I rather use the money and rent movies directly from Amazon unbox that range from 99 cents to $4.99. I don't even watch that many movies per month anyways.
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xenophon

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Re: Cancelling Netflix - hello Amazon

Netflix is beyond great if you like obscure/indie/foreign/old content. I watch about 3-5 titles a week. The rest I get from DVD/BR rentals once a week. Not bad for under $10/month. If you only want the recent stuff, then paying $3+ per Amazon flick might be worth it but Netflix is a steal otherwise.

I recently dumped cable/cable modem ($140/month) for Netflix/Hulu/Playon on PS3 and Clearwire. Looking forward to Hulu pay content in 720p. Total will be $60/month with Hulu/Netflix/Clearwire.
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Re: Cancelling Netflix - hello Amazon

If we're paying $3 per movie we need to open up Block Buster and Hollywood Video again. After all that's what they charge per movie to rent it from a store. And as far as paying $4 to Amazon, why not just rent it from BB for the same price on their movie download site?
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ThrowDemsOut
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Relativity recent titles pretty sparse

Recent movies by release date. But they do have some big stars:

»www.relativitymediallc.com/films···date&bu=
Madtown
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Re: Relativity recent titles pretty sparse

said by ThrowDemsOut:

Recent movies by release date. But they do have some big stars:

»www.relativitymediallc.com/films···date&bu=
And those movies will end up on Netflix Instant Watch?
AstroBoy

join:2008-08-08
Parkville, MD

Linux

Netflix keeps getting better. But when will we be able to watch from our Linux systems?

Shack

join:2002-01-17
Bloomington, IN

Re: Linux

that would be nice, but I am not holding my breath.

Archivis
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said by AstroBoy:

Netflix keeps getting better. But when will we be able to watch from our Linux systems?
As soon as you install a Windows virtual machine.
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joebear29

join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL

not great

Great.

I subscribe to the movie channels (all of them) through uVerse.

Now, if this expands I will need Netflix too if I want to catch all the new releases?

Meh.

cableties
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Love-Hate

Love-Netflic cheaper than HDTV
Hate-Netflix agrees to contract to delay of new titles by atleast 28 days.
Love-shows I haven't seen in years. movies I missed because theater too $$$$ and I don't need to be "me 1st"
Hate-Xbox menu for Netflix is PITA. And Live connection hangs on Netflix too often.
Love- PS3 Netflix menus are sooo much better and faster to navigate
Hate- why must I use a disc STILL to view Netflix on PS3/Wii
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R4M0N
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Re: Love-Hate

said by cableties:

Hate- why must I use a disc STILL to view Netflix on PS3/Wii
Rumor has it that it is due to exclusivity contract with Microsoft and the fastest workaround they could come up with was the disc.
xenophon

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Re: Love-Hate

Sounds like native Netflix on PS3 (w/out disc) is coming later this year, also with 5.1 and subtitles.

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Re: Love-Hate

said by xenophon:

Sounds like native Netflix on PS3 (w/out disc) is coming later this year, also with 5.1 and subtitles.
They use too much power, both the PS3 and Xbox 360 use around 70 to 80 watts. I can use a stand alone box that uses between 7 watts(ie. Roku) and 25 watts(ie. TiVo) instead to watch Netlflix.(15 to 18 watts would be a BD player with netflix)
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Love-Hate

Doesn't the new PS3 Slim use less power? I recall reading it uses 50% less. Another model is coming soon too that might use even less. Also, I would think it only uses significant power when all processors are stressed when gaming. Would be surprised if it uses full power to just stream video.

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Re: Love-Hate

said by xenophon:

Doesn't the new PS3 Slim use less power? I recall reading it uses 50% less. Another model is coming soon too that might use even less. Also, I would think it only uses significant power when all processors are stressed when gaming. Would be surprised if it uses full power to just stream video.
Yes the slim uses 70 to 80 watts. The old pS3 used twice that. 70 to 80 watts is on the main page doing nothing.
In standby the PS3 uses 9 watts while the 360 uses less than half a watt.

This is the PS3 slim and the 360 slim.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Love-Hate

Huh, yeah I found this...

»news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10318727-1.html

Up to 85 watts just to stream video on PS3 slim. Yowza. I had a Roku but now use PS3 since I can also do Hulu and Playon. Wish Roku would support DLNA and Hulu.
cghh

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As I understand it, there is an exclusivity deal with Microsoft which prohibits including NetFlix in the PS3 and Wii software. But there was nothing to disallow an application (available on disk) that just happened to look a lot like NetFlix. When the exclusivity deal expires, Netflix can be included in the PS3 and Wii systems.
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Groundbreaking

Most of the complainers here miss the real point: Netflix is trying to demonstrate that Hollywood CAN let its titles be streamed without losing money.

Relativity may be small, but Netflix isn't. Many consumers will continue to seek out cost-effective (flat-rate) streaming options, not $5 pay-per-views, and Netflix will only gain volume. In time, Hollywood will have to deal with Netflix, not the other way around. A 30-day window doesn't bother me, nor does it seem to irk any budget-minded folk I know.

Uncle Paul

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Re: Groundbreaking

said by elray:

Most of the complainers here miss the real point: Netflix is trying to demonstrate that Hollywood CAN let its titles be streamed without losing money.
Considering what Netflix has penned with Hollywood, it's not about streaming without losing money, for Hollywood it's about streaming to gain money. They aren't giving Netflix anything that's moving off the shelves. They're basically giving them the titles that aren't generating money and getting something where they weren't getting anything.

Hollywood really hasn't given up anything and gained in the exchange.

To me, I don't really care about the 30 day window. If I waited to see the movie via rental, I can wait another 30 days. I only care that they gave up the 30 days and got crap for it.

DaveDude
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anything that helps me cancel cable

If they can get hbo, showtime, etc on netflix, i am all for it , just so i can call comcast and cancel a tier of service. Just calling and telling them to lower my service is great.
decifal

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once again

Once again, those of us not IN THE CITY will be crapped on by yet another company. Those of us not in town benefit greatly from netflix's movie rental service.. Ya know.. To save cost on running to town. Now we have to wait 30 days for new release's?!? Its not like we can take advantage of the streaming ability being we have been deemed unprofitable by the death start and comcast. Its a lose lose situation for a chunk of us! Why don't they just start air raids on outer parameter communities and be done with it!

Shack

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Re: once again

Is waiting 30 days really that big of a deal?
decifal

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Re: once again

said by Shack:

Is waiting 30 days really that big of a deal?
Yes, yes it is! Especially sense your monthly fee will still be the same, and you already resisted the big screen fees, let alone having to walk by the isles in stores with it jumping out at you everywhere, and to top it off. Everyone will be talking about the freaking movie.. Yeah.. Its important.. Maybe not to you, but you probably have access to everything you want. So the F. U I got mine mentality speaks clearly

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Re: once again

said by decifal:

said by Shack:

Is waiting 30 days really that big of a deal?
Yes, yes it is! Especially sense your monthly fee will still be the same, and you already resisted the big screen fees, let alone having to walk by the isles in stores with it jumping out at you everywhere, and to top it off. Everyone will be talking about the freaking movie.. Yeah.. Its important.. Maybe not to you, but you probably have access to everything you want. So the F. U I got mine mentality speaks clearly
No one is forcing you to use Netflix. If you don't like it go somewhere else. there are other options. 'For me, I don't know the last time I walked the aisles looking for a movie. I just put the title on my Netlix list and it shows up. If it's a movie i really want, I will just purchase it online.

R4M0N
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Re: once again

LOL... I do the same thing. Movie comes out on theaters and I go "That looks like a sweet movie. I'll put it on my list"...

My motto is If I don't care enough to watch in the theaters, I don't care enough to worry about an extra month's wait.

And considering the price of a ticket nowadays, I don't care enough to watch anything in the theaters. One theater ticket = one or more month(s) subscription to Netflix
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said by Shack:

Is waiting 30 days really that big of a deal?
For me it's no BFD. I don't go to theaters in the first place, so the additional 30 days doesn't factor into it that much. On top of which, there isn't really a whole lot of compelling content coming out of Hollywood.

Now that Netflix offers HD streaming, there's finally some value to that aspect of my subscription. So much so that I'm seriously considering dropping satellite and just going broadband, antenna, and Netflix.
AstroBoy

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Re: once again

When 30 days is more than you can stand, use redbox and get it for $1 per day. I do that once in a while, but normally I can easily wait until it is delivered.

The money i save in popcorn pays for netflix.
I (or my kids) have a Roku, PS3, Wii and some computers all able to watch netflix. Just need Linux support!
decifal

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Re: once again

said by AstroBoy:

When 30 days is more than you can stand, use redbox and get it for $1 per day. I do that once in a while, but normally I can easily wait until it is delivered.

The money i save in popcorn pays for netflix.
I (or my kids) have a Roku, PS3, Wii and some computers all able to watch netflix. Just need Linux support!
Redbox is subjected to the 28 day delay too Another off my list unfortunately
DaveSin

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said by bidger:

said by Shack:

Is waiting 30 days really that big of a deal?
For me it's no BFD. I don't go to theaters in the first place, so the additional 30 days doesn't factor into it that much. On top of which, there isn't really a whole lot of compelling content coming out of Hollywood.

Now that Netflix offers HD streaming, there's finally some value to that aspect of my subscription. So much so that I'm seriously considering dropping satellite and just going broadband, antenna, and Netflix.
I think you sum everything up for me!!! If Neflix should start getting access to the same content as HBO, et. al, why would anyone subscribe to premium channels through the cable companies?

iEvolution

join:2006-06-24
Ogden, UT

Blockbuster > Netflix

Well I'm glad I'm with blockbuster and signed up when they were cheaper than they are now so I am grandfathered in the price.

Though who knows how long Blockbuster will be around, LOL.
lexuskool

join:2001-04-25
Brooklyn, NY

Netflix Sucks For That You Have To Wait 30 Days

that was the whole point that when new releases come out the same day they are available to rent by mail the same day. it was a convenience instead of going to the store. so now that you pay your monthly fee you want to wait 30 days to see new release? or go now the video store and rent it like you use to. maybe dowload the movies for $15 bucks from like cinemanow and amazon or blockbuster. or pay 4.99 to watch it on pay per view same day on cable, directv, dish or verizon fios. one last way is to go to blockbuster.com sign up and pay the same monthly fee like netflix and get the new releases the same day they come out. so i joined blockbuster.com and get new releases the sent to me in 1 day. netflix blows that they did this. i took my monthly fee and gave my business to blockbuster where there is no 30 day wait for new releases. or you can go to another online dvd rental service. if you pay a monthly fee and they take away new releases for 30 days its not worth it anymore to be a member and stick around. NETFLIX MADE A BIG MISTAKE.

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deverw

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This is about the diverging paths for Netflix/HBO/etc.

»seedchange.wordpress.com/2010/07···-moment/

In my opinion, it is important to view this deal with regards to the different directions Netflix and pay-TV networks are headed in the long-term. While the premium networks are focused on attracting subscribers with exclusive original programming (supplemented by secondary pure movie channels and VOD), Netflix is striving to attract (and retain) subscribers with the deepest library of content to stream on-demand to their PCs, TVs, phones, tablets, and gaming consoles. The pay-TV guys, perhaps led by upstart Epix, will certainly close the distribution channel gap, but competing on library depth seems impractical for the foreseeable future. On the other hand, Netflix’s DVD service made its mark by combining popular new releases with an interminable long-tail of old and obscure titles. Netflix’s future as a streaming service will be no different.

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