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Netflix Streaming Hits iPhone, iPod Touch
Free app with Netflix plans $8.99 or higher...
Netflix this morning announced that they've developed an app that will allow both iPod Touch and iPhone users to stream video selections from their instant queue. You'll need to be a Netflix customer on a $8.99 or higher to use the free application, which will work over both Wi-Fi and AT&T's 3G network (just in time to run smack into AT&T's new 200 MB and 2 GB caps). Progress made on movies or shows while at home is saved for use within the app, allowing you to finish watching your program while on the go. Users can also manage their instant queue from within the app, but only for streamed programs (not DVDs).
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Camelot One
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AT&T is going to LOVE this!

Now that they've eliminated their unlimited data plans, the next obvious step is to encourage massive amounts of data consumption.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

People are sheep. Mobile web access is officially the new crack cocaine of the new millenium. Never thought people would willingly fork over extra cash for something like this.

(When I say extra cash, I mean their stupid additional data buckets)
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Now that they've eliminated their unlimited data plans, the next obvious step is to encourage massive amounts of data consumption.
And one people get huge overage fees they'll be leaving at&t in droves.

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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

No they won't. They will bitch and moan and do nothing. They will never leave their sacred iphones behind.

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said by 88615298:
said by Camelot One:

Now that they've eliminated their unlimited data plans, the next obvious step is to encourage massive amounts of data consumption.
And one people get huge overage fees they'll be leaving at&t in droves.
For other carriers that do the exact same thing.
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said by Camelot One:

Now that they've eliminated their unlimited data plans
You misstated the facts, or at least left out one extremely important detail. They eliminated their unlimited data plans for new customers.

I have unlimited data and will hold on to it until they rip it out of my dying hands. (they allow grandfathering of unlimited plans in case you are not aware)
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

said by bdon78:

said by Camelot One:

Now that they've eliminated their unlimited data plans
You misstated the facts, or at least left out one extremely important detail. They eliminated their unlimited data plans for new customers.

I have unlimited data and will hold on to it until they rip it out of my dying hands. (they allow grandfathering of unlimited plans in case you are not aware)
Until your contract runs out. Which means in less than 2 years everyone wil be on the new data plan.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

said by 88615298:

said by bdon78:

said by Camelot One:

Now that they've eliminated their unlimited data plans
You misstated the facts, or at least left out one extremely important detail. They eliminated their unlimited data plans for new customers.

I have unlimited data and will hold on to it until they rip it out of my dying hands. (they allow grandfathering of unlimited plans in case you are not aware)
Until your contract runs out. Which means in less than 2 years everyone wil be on the new data plan.
Wrong. at&t does nothing when your contract runs out, you just go month to month with what you had before.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

But if you want that shiny new carrier exclusive phone at the subsidized price, guess what? You're going to have to renew your contract.

So you have a choice; either buy your future phones unlocked from a third party or from the carrier at the retail (non-commitment) price, or kiss your "unlimited" data plan goodbye.

I'm running into this exact scenario right now.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

said by duranr:

But if you want that shiny new carrier exclusive phone at the subsidized price, guess what? You're going to have to renew your contract.

So you have a choice; either buy your future phones unlocked from a third party or from the carrier at the retail (non-commitment) price, or kiss your "unlimited" data plan goodbye.

I'm running into this exact scenario right now.
WRONG

My contract is up. I purchased a new iPhone 4. They grandfathered my unlimited plan, it just required that I agree to be a customer for another 2 years (with my grandfathered plan)

You state the opposite.. I suspect its because you THINK that is what will happen. Grandfathering of the unlimited plan for current customers is well documented and I challenge you to show proof otherwise...
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

I was trying trying to upgrade my iPhone via the at&t Premier website (so I can keep my corporate discount.) When I looked at the plan options a couple of days ago, I didn't see it. But I looked again this morning and it is indeed there just at the very bottom of the page: the option to use my existing $30 unlimited data plan.

Funny how how far down the page you gotta go to see it. (as if they don't want it to be easily seen.)

I apologize.

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Please see the meaning of the word "grandfathering."
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Per dictionary.com (for grandfather)
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–verb (used with object)
4. to exempt (something or someone) from new legislation, restrictions, or requirements: The law grandfathered all banks already operating at the time of passage. He was grandfathered into the pension plan.
Nothing about when your contract expires
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said by Couch Potato:

Per dictionary.com (for grandfather)
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–verb (used with object)
4. to exempt (something or someone) from new legislation, restrictions, or requirements: The law grandfathered all banks already operating at the time of passage. He was grandfathered into the pension plan.
Nothing about when your contract expires
No need to be pedantic, you know exactly the context I used the word in. So, let me simplify since you're at least pretending you can't understand what I meant...

If you have unlimited plan, get a new iPhone, you have the option to keep that plan if you are current customer. You are just required to sign a 2 year contact.

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said by 88615298:
said by bdon78:
said by Camelot One:

Now that they've eliminated their unlimited data plans
You misstated the facts, or at least left out one extremely important detail. They eliminated their unlimited data plans for new customers.

I have unlimited data and will hold on to it until they rip it out of my dying hands. (they allow grandfathering of unlimited plans in case you are not aware)
Until your contract runs out. Which means in less than 2 years everyone wil be on the new data plan.
I renewed and did not lose it. I was told as long as I have the iPhone data plan the unlimited is mine.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

That is the correct answer. If you voluntarily remove it, then it's gone.

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Right. I lowered my wife's plan as she had never exceeded 200 mb.
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You are so wrong it is laughable.

They will allow you to keep unlimited data.. PERIOD. You stay month to month unless you upgrade to a new phone. If you upgrade to say an iPhone 4, then you can still keep the unlimited plan, but you are required to sign a contract that you will be with AT&T for 2 more years.

I'm so confused... all these things are public, documented knowledge... 5 minutes on google could have found everyone the correct answer.. YET.. here we are having this discussion...
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

said by bdon78:

You are so wrong it is laughable.

They will allow you to keep unlimited data.. PERIOD. You stay month to month unless you upgrade to a new phone. If you upgrade to say an iPhone 4, then you can still keep the unlimited plan, but you are required to sign a contract that you will be with AT&T for 2 more years.

I'm so confused... all these things are public, documented knowledge... 5 minutes on google could have found everyone the correct answer.. YET.. here we are having this discussion...
At&t can take away your grandfathering anytime it wants to. They can come out TODAY and say everyone is going on the new plan. There is NOTHING you can do about it. You are grandfathered in at THIER discretion not yours.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

Correct, they could pull the plug on it with a sunset date. But if history repeats itself, it will likely be quite some time before ATTM throws the current crop of folks with lovely grandfathered unlimited data plans under the bus. It wont' be happening any time soon since it's very bad PR and ATTM knows it plain and simple.

In general though, I'd say that consumer knowledge of the features that are grandfathered to current customers, upgrading techniques, etc. are simply not common knowledge and change too often. Pop over to Howardforums.com if you want to see questions that are not always cut and dry regarding changes to plans/service/features. It's not wonder that everyday folks (not tech/phone geeks) can't keep it all straight(!)

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said by pepe7:

Correct, they could pull the plug on it with a sunset date. But if history repeats itself, it will likely be quite some time before ATTM throws the current crop of folks with lovely grandfathered unlimited data plans under the bus. It wont' be happening any time soon since it's very bad PR and ATTM knows it plain and simple.
Except when this occured to those iPad users. Just a month after release, AT&T pulled the plug on unlimited usage.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

Ah, but the iPad is not a phone. It was really no surprise that they pulled the plug on such a device.

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And I am suffering from that ridiculous cap which Karl has hit on the head

I do NOT use my iPad for Netflix or large downloads or anything that is even remotely big

I check email and news quite a bit and maybe play some NON-ONLINE games....but every month I have come close to that 2 gigs and I do NOT go over b/c I intentionally do less the last few days

It is a freaking crime that they have pegged only 2 gigs as their top limit and expect people to pay EVEN MORE above that

It is AT&T's way of screwing its own customers and getting more fees.
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said by 88615298:

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You are so wrong it is laughable.

They will allow you to keep unlimited data.. PERIOD. You stay month to month unless you upgrade to a new phone. If you upgrade to say an iPhone 4, then you can still keep the unlimited plan, but you are required to sign a contract that you will be with AT&T for 2 more years.

I'm so confused... all these things are public, documented knowledge... 5 minutes on google could have found everyone the correct answer.. YET.. here we are having this discussion...
At&t can take away your grandfathering anytime it wants to. They can come out TODAY and say everyone is going on the new plan. There is NOTHING you can do about it. You are grandfathered in at THIER discretion not yours.
OK.. but what does that have to do with the incorrect facts that you were spitting out before that I rebuked?

Answer = NOTHING

You're reacting to me pointing out that you were incorrect by speculating as to what AT&T might do in the future with their plans. Why would you react like this? Because it is a knee jerk emotional response because you know you are incorrect.

So again, go back to what you stated about not being able to keep unlimited data.. you are incorrect.. still. If you think I'm wrong about unlimited data.. prove it

or have another emotional outburst..

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said by 88615298:
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You are so wrong it is laughable.

They will allow you to keep unlimited data.. PERIOD. You stay month to month unless you upgrade to a new phone. If you upgrade to say an iPhone 4, then you can still keep the unlimited plan, but you are required to sign a contract that you will be with AT&T for 2 more years.

I'm so confused... all these things are public, documented knowledge... 5 minutes on google could have found everyone the correct answer.. YET.. here we are having this discussion...
At&t can take away your grandfathering anytime it wants to. They can come out TODAY and say everyone is going on the new plan. There is NOTHING you can do about it. You are grandfathered in at THIER discretion not yours.
Of course, but you stated that was currently the case, which it is not. I also think that should the exclusivity end AT&T will keep the unlimited plan grandfathered in to keep some subscribers.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

said by ptrowski:

said by 88615298:
said by bdon78:

You are so wrong it is laughable.

They will allow you to keep unlimited data.. PERIOD. You stay month to month unless you upgrade to a new phone. If you upgrade to say an iPhone 4, then you can still keep the unlimited plan, but you are required to sign a contract that you will be with AT&T for 2 more years.

I'm so confused... all these things are public, documented knowledge... 5 minutes on google could have found everyone the correct answer.. YET.. here we are having this discussion...
At&t can take away your grandfathering anytime it wants to. They can come out TODAY and say everyone is going on the new plan. There is NOTHING you can do about it. You are grandfathered in at THIER discretion not yours.
Of course, but you stated that was currently the case, which it is not.
I never said anything of the sort.

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said by 88615298:
said by bdon78:

You are so wrong it is laughable.

They will allow you to keep unlimited data.. PERIOD. You stay month to month unless you upgrade to a new phone. If you upgrade to say an iPhone 4, then you can still keep the unlimited plan, but you are required to sign a contract that you will be with AT&T for 2 more years.

I'm so confused... all these things are public, documented knowledge... 5 minutes on google could have found everyone the correct answer.. YET.. here we are having this discussion...
At&t can take away your grandfathering anytime it wants to. They can come out TODAY and say everyone is going on the new plan. There is NOTHING you can do about it. You are grandfathered in at THIER discretion not yours.
Yes... AT&T is the only carrier on the planet that can do this! Damn, I better switch!
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If AT&T takes away Grandfathered Data Plans from customers who are still under contract that's essentially giving those millions of customers a way out of their contact with no penalty.

Why couldn't the VZ's and S' of the world simply hold a press conf. one day announcing that they have GSM (although i hate GSM's call handoff process+voice quality) up and running and that GSM Devices e.i. iPhone are now welcomed on their network.

Bell Canada, Verizon D.R. (now called Claro) did the switch as well as so many other carriers around the world have. When will VZ & S do this?

I've given up on an American TMobile iPhone.

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said by bdon78:

You misstated the facts, or at least left out one extremely important detail. They eliminated their unlimited data plans for new customers.
So if you are a new customer, there is no reason to even consider AT&T if you want data service.
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Re: AT&T is going to LOVE this!

If you don't need unlimited and are not a heavy user, it won't matter, obviously. Some folks simply want a new smartphone, a little bit of data each month, but mostly wish to retain the free MTM calling to their friends and family also w/ ATTM. Nothing new here, folks.

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said by pepe7:

If you don't need unlimited and are not a heavy user, it won't matter, obviously. Some folks simply want a new smartphone, a little bit of data each month, but mostly wish to retain the free MTM calling to their friends and family also w/ ATTM. Nothing new here, folks.
But there's 0 point in having a smartphone unless you have unlimited data.

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So if you are a new customer, there is no reason to even consider AT&T if you want data service.
Unless you get corporate discounts.... since the new data plans are not unlimited, they qualify for 25% off with my company discount. So that's 18.75/mo for 2GB instead of $30/mo for unlimited. Big discount.

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said by ak3883:

said by pnh102:

So if you are a new customer, there is no reason to even consider AT&T if you want data service.
Unless you get corporate discounts.... since the new data plans are not unlimited, they qualify for 25% off with my company discount. So that's 18.75/mo for 2GB instead of $30/mo for unlimited. Big discount.
Technically the plans are 'unlimited' as long as you have a wallet with 'unlimited' dollars in it.
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Do you mean that "unlimited" data plan that has the 5GB limit on it and has for years?

So they may not be able to charge you more per your current contract, they can certainly terminate your account because you exceed that "unlimited" restriction. Or they could encourage you to move over to the new plan to avoid termination.

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As an example, I was watching the Roast of Bob Saget this morning. I reset my usage counter before hand. I have watched about 43 minutes and am around 207 MB's consumed.
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Wow, I know that's normal or a bit less than normal for on a PC, but i thought they would have super compressed the stream for the iphone, although I'm using it right now and the picture quality is better than I expected.

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Unless you use a wi-fi connection.

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said by SLD:

Unless you use a wi-fi connection.
Right, that was on 3G using 3G Unrestrictor.
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Just buy a Virgin Mobile Mi-Fi card and go wi-fi and ditch ATT

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Bandwidth...

Besides gobbling up that 3/4G/LTE data unlimited limit...

"Determining your video quality" ... ....

Expect stalled streams as the commuters start to stream The Office episodes on the train ride home...

One thing that is starting to bother me on the Netflix horizon is that the streaming titles are more than LIMITED. Are you finding that "AVAILABLE ON DISC ONLY" in the series you Add Instant selection? I was watching Family Guy and 8 episodes of 13 were available, while the remaining 5 were DISC ONLY.

Smells of either copyright issues or something else. Frustrating.

How long before they inject commercials in the stream...(those black screens seem awfully ripe for some subliminals...)

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Most viewing will be WiFi - not 3G

Most viewing will be WiFi and not 3G, so caps on wireless cellphone plans will mean little to most users. It is a good deal for Netflix customers. They can watch on their PC; iPad; Touch; & iPhone.

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No Android support?

Booo!

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Finally

Glad to see this app finally arrive. It works great so far, video quality over Wi-Fi is quite good (tested it with an episode of Lost). App doesn't seem to support saved-state resuming, though.

I knew I kept my unlimited data plan for something.

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Re: Finally

Yes it does resume when you stop/done/exit the app.
I tested it over both 3G and WiFi and it resumed. (I tested this 4 times).
The 3G did have a few buffer issues, but after pausing it for a 30 seconds or so, and resuming the buffer issue went away.
The netflix video quality on the 4 is absolutely astonishing, and no it does not check appear to check for bandwidth streaming quality.
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Will not sign up for a AT&T new contract

Appears that the other carriers have not followed AT&T lead at eliminating unlimited smart phone data usage. This will be one other reason to sign up with Verizon Wireless when they finally get the Iphone next year. (Verizon will tier 4G data usage).

For the Iphone, the requirement to switch to a tiered data plan in order to tether is ridiculous. They are making a grave mistake.

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iPod touch data rate

With ISPs having caps (The Concast 250GB cap for example) I wonder how much data is consumed by streaming a 2hr movie to an iPod touch.

I am fortunate to have the unlimited ATT on the iPad, but the touches in the house are going to add to the local cap. I imagine at some point the ISPs are going to have a run in with Netflix as their quality and offering picks up.
NF continues to announce new content for streaming which is certainly welcome, let's not forget, there's no additional charge for this, I get it free with the $9 single DVD service.

UPDATE - I corrected typo yes, "250GB" - thanks.
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Re: iPod touch data rate

said by joetaxpayer:

With ISPs having caps (The Concast 250MB cap for example) I wonder how much data is consumed by streaming a 2hr movie to an iPod touch.
You'd have to do a HUGE amount of streaming to even cut into the Comcast Cap which is 250GB (about 250,000MB), not 250MB, as I'm sure that the iPad/iPod Touch/iPhone use pared down datarates/quality when compared to the average PC/Mac.

Smaller devices, Slower CPU's, and Lower resolution screens all come into effect when redesigning applications to a mobile device. Finding the best compromise between Quality, Speed, and Power Usage is always a concern. It was also said above that 43 minutes of streaming was about 210MB. I'm sure I don't need to do the math in how much streaming you would have to do.

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Re: iPod touch data rate

Thanks, 250GB, yes, typo.
So a 2Hr iPod movie about 500MB give or take. I agree, not a bad amount of data.

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Device increase?

With all of the desktops, laptops, gaming consoles, tvs, and now ipods, I hope Netflix increases the number of streaming devices from 6. I'm already at my max now.
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Awwww Sweet

Nothing quite like a little bit of Robotech while at work!!!

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Developing?

Funny how the iPad version of this runs just fine on my JB iPhone 3GS.....
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Survey: to those who use iphone over 3g instead wi-fi and

need unlimited data plan

Tell me where you use the Iphone? Where you use it most often? Where you use it least often? Subway? Beach? Friends's barbecue patio? What's your climate moderate or tropical?

I can't imagine using Iphone regularly for video streaming on the walk in my home city Chicago during cold winter I'd rather stop by Starbucks for a hot cup of coffee but there already have free wifi to use
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Re: Survey: to those who use iphone over 3g instead wi-fi and

Don't have the iPhone anymore (thank God) but here's my data usage for my Evo. 1.7 GB with 12 days left to go. Should be in between 3-4GB by the end of the cycle.



I do web browsing, moderate YouTube viewing (in high quality) and I steam Pandora and Sirius XM. I'm a delivery driver and stream audio most of the day at work. Plus I use the GPS a lot, and I believe some of the info comes from Sprints data network as opposed to the GPS satellites. And personally, given to option, I’d rather do things over 3G then Wi-Fi. If I’m paying for data access on my phone I want to use it. Besides I don’t circulate many places that have free WI-FI. I don’t stay at hotels or stop at truck stops and I think coffee is utterly disgusting.
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i guess a 100mb plan wouldnt work

for an extra couple of greenbacks i don't mind upping my data plan to a couple of gigs.