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Germantown, MD | Re: Up next on What's at the Movies! Netflix would truly be a killer app if these retards would allow new release streaming. I can't tell you how many times I've gone through a list looking for a movie only to see its available via DVD only... catch up to the current time ppl! | |
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kudos:2 | Amazon What I don't understand is, how is Amazon able to stream newer movies and Netflix isn't? Netflix's instant viewing has a lot of movies, over 10,000 titles, but they are mostly older movies. Amazon, on the other hand, has movies like The Hangover, Star Trek, and Terminator Salvation, on instant viewing.
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1 edit | Re: Amazon said by Rob:Amazon, on the other hand, has movies like The Hangover, Star Trek, and Terminator Salvation, on instant viewing. But they're $14.99 to stream! Amazon doesn't have an all-u-can-eat model like Netflix do they?
EDIT: Just saw they have a $2.99 rental, my bad. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Amazon said by jester121:said by Rob:Amazon, on the other hand, has movies like The Hangover, Star Trek, and Terminator Salvation, on instant viewing. But they're $14.99 to stream! Amazon doesn't have an all-u-can-eat model like Netflix do they? EDIT: Just saw they have a $2.99 rental, my bad. Yea, 14.99 to own I think. $2.99 to rent.
Netflix could do something where you don't won't get any DVDs in the mail, but you can get 5 movies per month streamed, latest titles. I know some people would go with that.
I'm actually considering cancelling Netflix. We now have a whole lot of redbox's in my area, plus I have Amazon on my roku, I don't even need Netflix.
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kudos:2 | Re: Amazon said by KrK:I'd advise you to think twice---- The Netflix catalog is deep, while Redbox, yes, it has new releases, but the catalog is shallow. I consider the two complimentary services, in many ways. My idea was to use amazon and redbox, as well as the blockbuster kioski (if it doesn't require a membership).
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Camden, TN | said by jester121:said by Rob:Amazon, on the other hand, has movies like The Hangover, Star Trek, and Terminator Salvation, on instant viewing. But they're $14.99 to stream! Amazon doesn't have an all-u-can-eat model like Netflix do they? EDIT: Just saw they have a $2.99 rental, my bad. You still have to wait until 30 days after the DVD comes out which is BS. Listen Hollywood. I'm not going to buy the DVD if I'm interested in renting. I'll wait the 30 days. Or maybe I'll just get tired of waiting and torrent it. Is that better?
Remember guys these are the same idiots that tried to kill the VCR because it was going to kill their business model. Of course as well all know it did just the opposite. Of course if you go way back they thought TV was bad too. Every new medium that they though was hurtful to thier business they fought and every single time that thing they fought actually helps them earn billions more in revenues. Why they can't learn that lesson from history I'm not quite sure? | |
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1 edit | Because Amazon's streaming service is pay per stream meaning you pay individually for each movie you stream, just like VOD from your cable company or rentals on the iTunes store.
Netflix gives you unlimited steaming for a flat fee with all but their most limited monthy price tier. I pay only $8.99 with my Netflix account and get unlimited streaming of movies and TV shows. I've never even once had a DVD or blu-ray mailed to me since I've been a member, all I use is the streaming. In fact, the Tv I just bought I got specifically because it has Netflix streaming built right into it. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Amazon Isn't Netflix streaming only old releases though? Last time I checked them out there were no new releases. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Amazon Netflix wants to change that stream newer movies too
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Wilmington, DE | For the most part. I'd gladly pay a bit more for new releases too which is part of the issue being addressed in the tech dirt article: because I don't have legitimate access to those new releases, I get them via other means that deny the studios ANY form of revenue.
They still seem to think that because I can't get access to the content the way I want it I'm just going give in and get it how they want me to get it. Instead, I'm just going to steal it. This is the way a lot of people think and the bone headed studio execs don't seem to understand this fact. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: Amazon said by eco:For the most part. I'd gladly pay a bit more for new releases too which is part of the issue being addressed in the tech dirt article: because I don't have legitimate access to those new releases, I get them via other means that deny the studios ANY form of revenue. They still seem to think that because I can't get access to the content the way I want it I'm just going give in and get it how they want me to get it. Instead, I'm just going to steal it. This is the way a lot of people think and the bone headed studio execs don't seem to understand this fact. If a bank doesn't give me a loan, rob it. This will teach banks to give me loans. Sound logical to you? | |
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Wilmington, DE | Re: Amazon That's a ludicrous analogy and you know it. | |
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The system is changing. Eventually, steaming will be more popular than actually playing a physical DVD. The delivery method for all these things will progress.
I personally do not want to ever buy another physical DVD / BluRay again. I want it as a digital file that can be stored on my media server and played on any TV or Device of my choosing. Renting is good for some, but some I want to purchase and I want it at a price that is reasonable and considerably cheaper than a physical Disc and $14.99 is not it.
So it is OK for me to "borrow" a disc and rip it to my server or get a bootlegged copy through download or media because they are not currently meeting my needs? No, its not. I just need to be patient for them to provide me THEIR material in a way I want at a price point I am willing to pay.
I think what will eventually happen to music and movies are those at the core of making it will distribute it themselves. The electronic distribution channel is easy enough and the internet is vast enough that it will allow them to manage their own content and collect their own paychecks for doing such. | |
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| Re: Amazon "I personally do not want to ever buy another physical DVD / BluRay again."
Those words have truth to them. How many times can you watch the same movie? And if you do buy it, they release the Uncut version, the Director's Cut, the Extended, Uncut, Director's Cut. The Extended, Director's Cut in BluRay. The Collector's Edition in BluRay....
No. I realized that there is no return value purchasing the movie when you now can turn on a Netflix-enabled device (PS3, Xbox, BluRay, Roku,...) and see that entire library you have, mirrored on Netflix.
Those VHS tapes are where? Those DVDs are soon to be where? And BluRay...
but alot of what we aren't seeing are the studios wanting more money. Take a look at the Sony store of titles that you might not see on the Xbox Live store. Or that I've been waiting (VERY LONG WAIT) for Inglorious Basterds and had it in the queue since October! (yes, Dec release but still I had it there early).
If netflix doens't get some pull in titles (I can live with 14 days after DVD release but more than 30 days and I lose interest or as friends do, watch it elsewhere, likely on someone else's server or burned disc).
I wonder why Hollywood hasn't sucked up places like Netflix, Redbox and Gamefly. Then they would have new distribution model and control.
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If the RIAA got its head out of its ass, they would've offered .mp3's for sale back in 2000 and totally destroyed Napster but they CHOSE not to!!!
If these studios won't offer me what I want for a price then yes I will take it. | |
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Camden, TN | said by eco:Because Amazon's streaming service is pay per stream meaning you pay individually for each movie you stream, just like VOD from your cable company or rentals on the iTunes store. Netflix gives you unlimited steaming for a flat fee with all but their most limited monthy price tier. I pay only $8.99 with my Netflix account and get unlimited streaming of movies and TV shows. I've never even once had a DVD or blu-ray mailed to me since I've been a member, all I use is the streaming. In fact, the Tv I just bought I got specifically because it has Netflix streaming built right into it. Amazon has many more newer movies than Netflix. Anything that has been out on DVD for less than 6 months won't be on Netflix strteaming. Which make Netflix less than useless. Bad enough I have to wait an extra 30 days to watch it through Amazon. I'm not waiting another half a year to watch it on Netflix. | |
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Wilmington, DE | Re: Amazon You seem to be missing the point of Netflix streaming vs. Amazon. Netflix is all you can eat so I can watch as many movies as I want for a flat fee whereas Amazon charges per movie just like you'd get your local blockbuster or redbox. | |
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1 edit | Re: Amazon said by eco:You seem to be missing the point of Netflix streaming vs. Amazon. Netflix is all you can eat so I can watch as many movies as I want for a flat fee whereas Amazon charges per movie just like you'd get your local blockbuster or redbox. Sure and the all you can eat buffet is a better bargin as long as you like what they are serving.
If gave you a choice of 2 meals A) you're favorite dish( no 2nd's ) $12 B) a buffet for varius kind of animal feces for $1 and it's all yu can eat. Which are you going to take?
Amazon may be the same price as Blockbuster or redbox, but I don't have to get out and I don't have to return the movie. By the way every now and then Amzon has discounted rentals.
here's crapload for $2.99. I'm renting Star Trek TONIGHT. They even have a few for 99 cents.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | the entertainment industry likes to try and kill anything new, and a big thing is that as we progress into being greatly connected people want to watch their media on multiple devices when they want and where they want. the MAFIAA doesnt like this because for that sort of accessibility they loose what they crave most, Exclusive control.
to the recording and movie industries loss of exclusive control is more frighting to them then to a banker loosing his bonus and/or golden parachute.
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| Re: Sounds like a Hollywood Pig Party! So true. I have two favorite porn sites.
One is totally free, the other sells DVDs, pay by the minute, or stream to own.
Their stream to own means I pay a fee, can be as low as 2 bucks to as high as 20 bucks, and I own the movie. as long as this place stays in business, I can stream that movie as many times as I want to.
I really like the stream to own option as I don't have a bunch of DVDs setting around.
Netflix on the other charges a monthly fee, and you can watch as many movies as you want. So I can see where Hollywood would want a tad more return on their buck.
Maybe if netflick charged a little more for the streaming? Or even did a stream to own option?
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| Monkey Bar Marketing One does not let go of the last bar until one has a firim grasp of the next bar.
I have to go with Hollywood on this one . They are not going to give up a successful business model just for one company and a single broadband market compared to hundreds of retail markets one can reach via DVD from corner stores to walmart. | |
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Wilmington, DE | Re: Monkey Bar Marketing The whole point of the issue here is the studios don't actually have a choice. Adapt or perish. The studios seem to think they can keep dictating the business model to the consumer when in reality it's the other way around. The consumer is going to get the movies and TV shows in the method they want whether it's legal or not. Right or wrong that is how it's going down. Netflix is actually trying to provide these companies with a stream of revenue whereas the other option increasingly being turned to, piracy, will get them nothing at all. It's 50% of something or 100% of nothing. | |
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Frankly if I was running a studio I probably would do the same thing. To me Netflix is acting like a sob. | |
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| Poor Executives.. What are they afraid of? That people won't watch the crap they put out? Or be shammed into buying some release, only to have an updated Directors Cut released? Followed by the Platinum edition release on a 5 disc set? Ending of course with the Ultimate Collectors edition.
Guess what Hollywood Nerds? Some people just like to watch a movie once. Change your business models, or get the hell out of the way. | |
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| | | said by Phorkster:What are they afraid of? That people won't watch the crap they put out? Or be shammed into buying some release, only to have an updated Directors Cut released? Followed by the Platinum edition release on a 5 disc set? Ending of course with the Ultimate Collectors edition. Guess what Hollywood Nerds? Some people just like to watch a movie once. Change your business models, or get the hell out of the way. They are afraid of change and the unexpected results of jumping into a new way of media distribution without a full understanding of the impact. This is just smart, eyes-open, business.
Anyone that has a internet based settop (i.e. blue-ray w/ netflix, roku, PS3, XBOX360), knows full well the power these new boxes bring. Today they are in the hands of the "nerds" moving quickly to the main stream. They will move even quicker with more and more content...
What does that mean?
Is it a disrupting technology (hell yes). Is that good for the consumer (so far - yes), is it bad for some business (yes). Does it have the potential to disrupt classic linear video delivery (yes). Does Hollywood count on these businesses (yes). Will those triple play companies need to make up the income loss elsewhere (yep).
Is this disrupting technology good in the long run for Hollywood? Maybe, but they are not going to jump into the abyss without looking... They may not be fast enough for consumers like us, but big companies usually are able to grow because they look before they leap. | |
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1 edit | Re: Poor Executives.. said by kjohndoe  This is just smart, eyes-open, business.
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I disagree with this. Every day they delay is a day new people are turned onto illegal distribution channels. Make it easy and convenient for people to access the content or else consumers will find another much less expensive way to do it. | |
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| | | | | Re: Poor Executives.. said by morbo:I disagree with this. Every day they delay is a day new people are turned onto illegal distribution channels. Make it easy and convenient for people to access the content or else consumers will find another much less expensive way to do it. While I agree there will always be illegal ways to get content (aka stealing), most realize this is morally wrong. For the sake of those who believe people are generally good, I hope you are wrong.
For the sake of the ones on the fence, I hope content does become easy to obtain at a price which is fair. | |
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00000 | Re: Poor Executives.. Hollywood can change this if they only embrace change and stop fighting it. | |
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| Re: Yeah, well... said by meh37II :
if "Hollywood" had their way, then everyone would pay to watch a movie every time they watched a movie.
Well, a streaming model offers the only way they could get paid every time.
The real problem is cost per view. There's no way that Netflix will be able to stream unlimited new releases at what they charge now. Physical media involves a built in throttle... the rental cycle is measured in days. With streaming, you just click the next title. Much more content can be consumed via streaming... and new releases ought to cost more.
Perhaps that's the key... offer a 2nd tier called "premium streaming". Existing accounts could come with very low limit on premium and just have more expensive or different packages available... or simply offer pay-per-view, too.
That would at least get Netflix's foot in the door... which they desperately need to do if they want to remain viable.
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Instead of 8.99/month I would pay maybe 14.99/month and have access to stream a certain amount of premium content. It would be cool if they had a rollover concept b/c I tend to fluctuate my viewing depending on the time of the year. | |
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Dallas, TX | said by meh37II :
if "Hollywood" had their way, then everyone would pay to watch a movie every time they watched a movie.
The entire entertainment industry (Big 4 Music, the Big 6 Movie studios, and the TV producers) are all like that. In an ideal world in their view, there would be no such thing as fair use, and every time you wanted to listen to watch something in a different place or format, you would pay.
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