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| software upgrades This is a fine idea as long as one can upgrade the software just like the STBs and other devices.
Reading the netflix blog, you can learn quite a bit about the whole streaming piece. It becomes readily apparent that the quality and delivery format are still very much "in progress."
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| Re: and hardware upgrades too said by TKJunkMail  :said by drew :This is a fine idea as long as one can upgrade the software just like the STBs and other devices. Reading the netflix blog, you can learn quite a bit about the whole streaming piece. It becomes readily apparent that the quality and delivery format are still very much "in progress." You would also have to be concerned with hardware upgrades as well. With the technology of the streaming device embedded in the TV, you may be locking yourself in to a device(the TV) that is fairly long lived - maybe up to 10 years. Streaming & storage capabilities of new boxes to provide internet fed TV may change several times in that timeframe. For now, I think a separate box would be a better deal. I dont think you have to worry about the new flat screens lasting 10 years. From what I have seen, they have a 5 year life. | |
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Matt
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| said by TKJunkMail :said by drew :This is a fine idea as long as one can upgrade the software just like the STBs and other devices. Reading the netflix blog, you can learn quite a bit about the whole streaming piece. It becomes readily apparent that the quality and delivery format are still very much "in progress." You would also have to be concerned with hardware upgrades as well. With the technology of the streaming device embedded in the TV, you may be locking yourself in to a device(the TV) that is fairly long lived - maybe up to 10 years. Streaming & storage capabilities of new boxes to provide internet fed TV may change several times in that timeframe. For now, I think a separate box would be a better deal. You have to keep in mind though, if the TV can do a certain resolution and they can stream something adequate at that resolution now ... they'll likely continue to offer that as a service for the realistic lifetime of the TV. Heck, if the TV uses wired ethernet or even 802.11n, if they started offering 1080p streaming the TV wouldn't require any special hardware as long as the chip was capable of decoding the stream in real-time ... and there are a ton of inexpensive H.264 hardware decoders out there.
I think the days of a TV lasting 10 years are also gone, unless 1080p is what consumers say is all they need. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| Re: and hardware upgrades too said by Matt :I think the days of a TV lasting 10 years are also gone, unless 1080p is what consumers say is all they need. Consumers were quite happy with 480i (many still are) for decades. Plus, a lot of consumers don't care about or even know what 1080p means. Personally, I want my TV to be a monitor where I can plug content sources in as I desire. The digital distribution mechanism for content is still very much in its infancy so I'd be much more inclined to allow the marketplace to settle down over the next few years before I lock something into my TV that costs me extra. | |
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·North State Commun..
| Re: and hardware upgrades too said by openbox9 :said by Matt :I think the days of a TV lasting 10 years are also gone, unless 1080p is what consumers say is all they need. Consumers were quite happy with 480i (many still are) for decades. Consumers didn't have a choice for decades. That's a lot different than being content. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: and hardware upgrades too And several people are still "content" with their 480i...at least until their current TV(s) die(s). | |
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| Re: and hardware upgrades too said by openbox9 :And several people are still "content" with their 480i...at least until their current TV(s) die(s). I agree, but that's not who I am talking about. Some people hate change, don't want new technology, don't watch TV, or are just cheap. The days of buying a TV and expecting it to last for 10+ years are gone. Plasma and LCD technology (and even DLP) will ensure that -- unless there is a breakthrough that will increase the life span of the technology behind them. | |
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drew
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clubs: | Re: and hardware upgrades too My parents TV has lasted them more than 5 years and the only maintenance on it was replacing a bulb or something. Reasonably priced I believe. | |
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Matt
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| Re: and hardware upgrades too said by drew :My parents TV has lasted them more than 5 years and the only maintenance on it was replacing a bulb or something. Reasonably priced I believe. A DLP bulb? The cost of a better quality set is only slightly more than the cost of a DLP bulb replacement or two for a 5-year old DLP ... and pray the color wheel doesn't go out.
While some people are perfectly happy keeping their old set, the days of buying a huge CRT and not having maintenance or replacement costs to bear are gone ... done ... finito. Whether that cost is in DLP bulb replacement, color wheel alignment or replacement, plasma fade, LCD wash out ... or what ever else I can't think of now, the market has changed. | |
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drew
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clubs: | Re: and hardware upgrades too I know it's not a DLP. | |
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hayabusa3303
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clubs: | im glad i still have my 1080i rear projection sony. Had it since 2001. (still can get parts for it)
Older tech is still better than this new crap. Every 3 to 5 years replace? what a bunch of bullshit anymore. | |
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join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
·AT&T Southeast
| said by Matt :I agree, but that's not who I am talking about. Some people hate change, don't want new technology, don't watch TV, or are just cheap. Wow! You've obviously met my mother  said by Matt :The days of buying a TV and expecting it to last for 10+ years are gone. Plasma and LCD technology (and even DLP) will ensure that -- unless there is a breakthrough that will increase the life span of the technology behind them. Are you talking about the quality of the components or the technology itself? If you're talking about the quality of the components, then I'll tend to agree with you, although I don't think 10 years is inconceivable. My current Sony WEGA LCD rear projection is going on six years old now and it hasn't skipped a beat for my use. I haven't even had to swap the bulb. If you're discussing the technology, then I think we've easily got 10+ years of life with current technology. ATSC has been coming for over 10 years now and Blue-ray has been in the works since the beginning of this decade and still hasn't truly taken off. The unknown is whether content on the Internet will push the technology boundaries or whether it'll bounce up against the existing 1080p limits. I'm guessing Internet content will follow the 1080p path for the foreseeable future...for several reasons. | |
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1 edit | Re: software upgrades said by drew :This is a fine idea as long as one can upgrade the software just like the STBs and other devices. Reading the netflix blog, you can learn quite a bit about the whole streaming piece. It becomes readily apparent that the quality and delivery format are still very much "in progress." You typically can upgrade the software on an HDTV. My Samsung has a USB port on the side and Samsung tech support had to send me a firmware file that I just popped in and the TV updated itself. It was very painless. | |
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| Re: software upgrades My three year old Toshiba connects to them via Ethernet and a transfer client is built into the TV. Pretty sweet...I check for updates and they download it when one comes out. There are also a couple of (fairly useless) Internet apps built in like an email viewer, but it's a short walk to a Netflix client since most if not all of the hardware is already present.
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Noah Vail
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Lorton, VA
·RoadRunner Cable
| Netflix a great product, but... We love Netflix. We don't have a television and they deliver great quality content. They've been reliable, affordable but their streaming movie selection is about ¼ or so what it needs to be. They're somewhat slow to add new movies, but they do add them.
This deal seems to be a good idea, but new users might be disappointed when the realize that most content they want to see is by mail only.
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nightdesigns
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| Price Point too High Considering that the Roku box is only $100, I think the price point should only be $100 more than a standard TV. The Roku box is extremely easy to set up. Most consumers would ask "why would I 2-3x more for something I can install myself?"
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kfsutops
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Brandon, FL
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| Re: Price Point too High said by nightdesigns :Considering that the Roku box is only $100, I think the price point should only be $100 more than a standard TV. The Roku box is extremely easy to set up. Most consumers would ask "why would I 2-3x more for something I can install myself?" It actually should not cost any thing additional. This should be a marketing point for LG.
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insomniac84
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Schererville, IN | Re: Price Point too High I would also add that netflix is not free. So the hardware should be subsidized by the movies. | |
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Schaumburg, IL | I think it's more a marketing draw for Netflix. "Your new TV can do this! 30 days free trial....." | |
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kfsutops
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| Re: Price Point too High said by indyattic :I think it's more a marketing draw for Netflix. "Your new TV can do this! 30 days free trial....." No doubt. It is nothing but positive for Netflix. But why should LG charge $200 more. What's the value. As said in another thread, "You still have to pay for Netlfix."
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Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Shades of DivX quote:
Tim Alessi, director of product development for LG Electronics USA, says the Netflix-enhanced TVs will sell for roughly $200 to $300 more than a regular HDTV set.
This sort of reminds me of the old "DivX-Enhanced" DVD players that Circuit City used to sell.
I don't think that this will go anywhere. For such a model to be successful, the TVs would have to be sold for less than what a comparable TV without the service would go for.
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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| Re: Shades of DivX I disagree. Those throw-away use-once DivX DVD players were a bit early to the party, and their distribution channel wasn't up to snuff. The public at large has grown more accustomed to subscription-based services (Tivo?) and this could work out really well for Netflix.
If nothing else, you gotta admire them for shooting for the stars with all their integration. They got to the market first, managed their growth, and now are the de facto standard for movie rentals in whatever form. I'm not saying there aren't competitors, some of whom probably do a better job or have better technology, but they've become a household name and that's the first step to winning the marketing battle. | |
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Lee GWB
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Allendale, NJ
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| Caps? Hi,
I would hate to be a cable customer (Some). The caps will kill this idea or "Metered" billing will.
Remember the PC link/ AOL days? I left my dialup on and had a $300 bill back in 92.... Ouch!
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join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Re: Caps? Don't worry. Just like the wireless division, once FiOS becomes firmly entrenched, caps will come to them too. | |
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Lee GWB
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Allendale, NJ | Re: Caps? I am sure. I just can't understand why anyone would go take that business model. Caps /metering will be back sooner or later. Net Neutrality may be dead. | |
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Eat Me
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Sussex, NJ | Re: Caps? The reason is that bandwidth for home ISPs is oversold. If ISPs allowed truly unlimited use the network wouldn't be able to handle it. | |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | I have it on TiVo I have it on TiVo. The concept is great, but they need to get more recent movies.
Also they should offer 1080i streaming for those of us that have fast connections.
It's a great gimmick for getting people to sub to netflix though. | |
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join:2001-10-03
Houston, TX
·Comcast
| Still prefer standalone device... Something like the new Samsung Blu-Ray Player that can stream Netflix movies as well. I've also been reading about Popcorn Hour, which also appears to stream Netflix, Hulu, etc. Heck, I'd even consider a TiVo if it streamed from other sources like Hulu (not just Netflix).
I'm preparing to ditch cable tv in the near future.
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Sussex, NJ | Re: Still prefer standalone device... TiVo series 3 can stream from anything, but TiVo has to sign the agreements to do so. | |
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
·Embarq
| Price point is way too high. Why not spend another two hundred towards a better TV and go with the $99 Roku?
Or a DVD player that supports netflix out of the box along with your new TV?
Sounds like exploitation of ignorant consumers and the 'flashing time' on the old VHS player syndrome.
This way there's nothing to, uh, plug in.
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Duluth, GA | Not for cap-happy ISP customers But Netflix and LG are not going to enlighten the buyers of the potential hazards and pitfalls of that aspect of your lifestyle. | |
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Fort Wayne, IN
| Another Way? Perhaps, TV/internet providers, like Verizon FIOS and Comcast, could offer internet-to-TV streaming from Netflix, Hulu, CBS, etc. via software downloaded to your PC and their DVR? Simple, little or no extra cost, and no new equipment to buy.
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