said by tshirt:I know I would rather have a 15Mbps 1080P regular HD stream than a 15Mbps 4K stream. said by cableties:
is there a demand for re-runs in 4K?
Some of that desert scenery might be cool, but some NatGeo specials might be a better demo of the technology.
I still don't see the demand for 4k streaming to be as great as for less compressed HD.
Re: Question... Even if it does look okay, they should be trying to improve the experience for as many people as possible instead of the select few with a 4K TV. It's great that they want to be cutting-edge, but they are cutting edge to the point that no one cares. 4K is still extremely niche at this point.
This is similar to when Netflix jumped on the 3D train.
El Paso, TX
said by MovieLover76:You realize we'll be using h.265 as the codec right? You would be very surprised how low the bitrate can be when using the right encoder. A 1080p x264 encoded file looks nearly identical to the source bluray at about 10-12 mbps.
Agreed, I'd much rather have 15 mbps 1080P, and most users would benefit from that much more as 4K TV's haven't really taken off.
This is about checking off a box on features.
Look we have 4K video, ignore the fact that it's very heavily compressed.
Unfortunately PQ is not the goal here.
the fact that their is very few 4K users also helps as this way they don't have to deliver many of these 15mbps streams.
It would cost them a lot more to provide 15Mbps 1080p streams as more users would be able to use them.
Assuming that h.265 really is twice as efficient, we'll eventually have encoders that can deliver quality 4k at very low bitrates.
I remember reading somewhere that a 1080p file encoded in h.265 can look very good at even 3mbps. (need to see this for myself...)
The only limitation here is the mediocrity of our ISP's. by the time 4k TV's cost the same as 1080p TV's cost now, we should have a 4x faster internet. But, we all know that even though the technology to get there is available, it's quite another thing to have our shitty ISP's to actually implement the technology.
Anyway, we'll be swimming in 4k content in just a few years. Technology advancements have made it possible, everything new is now shot in 4k, TV's are available, Projectors are available (and will hopefully come down in price soon, since projection is the best way to take advantage of that resolution) and h.265 is now available.
Even cheap telephones can now record and playback 4k.
Also, you have to remember this is Netflix we're talking about... There is nothing preventing them from offering multiple bitrates for the same resolution if the client's internet can handle the extra bitrate.
| || |said by cableties:I'm interested
is there a demand for re-runs in 4K?
I have Netflix and I haven't seen Breaking Bad.
Who, with Netflix, hasn't seen Breaking Bad yet?
Haven't seen Mad Men either. I'm sure I could name all the recent hit tv shows that I don't or haven't watched. I have 2 DVR's in the house too, but I just don't normally have the time to watch/manage shows traditionally. Both DVR's are filled with everyone else's shows most of the time so I usually don't even bother.
Who hasn't seen Breaking Bad?
The most recent series I've seen is The Office on Netflix, and I binged through all the seasons during Christmas break with my kids.
I've been planning on starting Breaking Bad sometime during the summer, and I just happened to be thinking about picking up a 50" 4K Seiki.
Who has 4K UHD set and hasn't seen Breaking Bad?
I have Verizon FiOS...
.:|:. aztec being aztec...
Bon Aqua, TN
This This 4k streaming will die before it really gets started due to the caps and speeds in this country... Not enough people with "true" broadband to sustain it .. They should just save their money for lobbying like ATT/Verizon/Comcast does.. Its their only way to survive with this crappy FCC we have now.
Why the hate? Am I really the only one who is excited to see a company pushing forward with the "next big thing"? Some of these responses sound like cable company excuses. Just replace 4k with gigabit connections and you will see what I mean...
Keep pushing the envelope Netflix, I appreciate it even though I do not have a TV to watch it on yet...
Re: Bandwidth caps?
said by blastgo :Xfinity on Xbox doesn't count because it's using the same infrastructure as the cable TV. Cable TV signals are digital. Your cable company has never charged you for all that digital signal being used for TV have they? A digital HD signal uses 8 GB an hour.
Much like Xfinity on Xbox doesn't count against your cap why would this?