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join:2001-11-10
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| Farewell Netscape... I remember working at a company back in 1996 when Netscape was at the forefront. IE just couldn't cut it as a browser for certain things and Netscape's built in utilities made it really easy to develop personal web pages. I remember Navigator Gold which quite honestly was the greatest browser...until they screwed it up and went to the Communicator suite.
Farewell Netscape...you'll forever be a part of history as the browser that WAS the greatest of all time. Just like Ali. | |
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| Re: Farewell Netscape... Yeah, Communicator sucked, Microsoft put out a really good product for free after that. Props to AOL for supporting Mozilla when it did, though. I'll always remember Netscape as my first Web Browser  | |
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| Re: Farewell Netscape... Rookie. I remember my first browser was AMosaic for my Amiga. Of course while I love the web, I still look back fondly at my old BBS that I would run even while surfing the then new internet. | |
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The eyes have it
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IT Geek-Dawg
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| I gave up on Netscape when IE 4.0 came out and the Netscape Communicator Suite arrived. It took Micro$oft four attempts to get IE right but IE 4.0 was a worthy browser to switch to. Thankfully at least, Netscape spawned the open source Mozilla movement that has given us Firefox and Thunderbird.
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RailRoadDude
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1 edit | Re: Farewell Netscape... said by Jeffrey  :I remember Netscape being my first browser back in the day. Switched to IE for a reason I can't recall, then to Opera for a bit, finally resting with Firefox. I remember Netscape being a darn good product, just didn't think people still used it. It was my second browser, my first browser was NCSA Mosaic circa the early 1990's. When I first got on the net in 1990, it was still a text based thing, and you used Archie, Veronica and Gopher to look things up, takes me back talking about those! | |
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| Re: Farewell Netscape... said by RR Conductor :said by Jeffrey :I remember Netscape being my first browser back in the day. Switched to IE for a reason I can't recall, then to Opera for a bit, finally resting with Firefox. I remember Netscape being a darn good product, just didn't think people still used it. It was my second browser, my first browser was NCSA Mosaic circa the early 1990's. When I first got on the net in 1990, it was still a text based thing, and you used Archie, Veronica and Gopher to look things up, takes me back talking about those! Wow, you just gave me a flashback. I stand corrected, I used Mosaic and Gopher for a part of 1993. That is definitely something that I have forgotten.
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1 edit | Yeah, for me it was the BBS, then in early '90s, NCSA Mosaic. Netscape took over then IE when Windows 95 came out. Netscape took forever to load vs. IE. Remember how people waited overnight for the release of Windows 95? Not quite the latest Vista launch, was it? | |
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RailRoadDude
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| Re: Farewell Netscape... Until I got on the net in 1990/91, I'd never been "online", in the 80's there just wasn't much going on with the online world. I knew a couple of people who had modems, and our church (LDS) had computers linked to Salt Lake City, but using computers to communicate was still mostly the stuff of movies. | |
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| Re: Farewell Netscape... Actually I did quite a bit of Prodigy and Compuserve starting in the late 80's. The online social community on Prodigy was quite strong at the time. In some ways the online community then was better than anything now since it was a bit more concentrated. Also, you didn't have all the morons (for a lack of a better word) that you find on places like myspace.
Got Mosaic from the University in the Early 90's. I remember one of the big geek debates of those days was to keep graphics off of web pages. | |
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I love you Fred
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Ojai, CA | Re: Farewell Netscape... Farewell, Netscape.
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St. Ides Heaven
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Long Island
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i think it was back in 1993. the netscape communicator's composer v4.73. my first web page. ahhh, the memories.
Thats all i used..
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| If Netscape was so good at the time as your saying it was then how is it that IE became number 1 over Netscape? Oh that's right Microsoft took peoples rights away to uninstall the IE browser. So if you wanted too use a competitor browser you would have to live with 2 web browsers on your computer or just stick with the IE browser. I don't think folks wanted to have 2 web browsers on there computers so more and more people were forced to stick with IE. If Microsoft would include an un-installer with its IE browser then people would have been able to get rid of it and pick a web browser of there choice. Being forced to have IE on your computer is most likely what did in the Netscape browser. Then again you need to use a web browser to download and install another web browser. | |
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| Re: Farewell Netscape... IE won because it was free (and you couldn't get rid of it).
Early versions of IE sucked big time. The only reason they survived and eventually won the "Browser Wars" is that M$ gave the thing away with their OS while Netscape charged $49 per install. I was a believer and paid the money.
By the time Netscape gave in and started giving away their product it was too late; M$ had started driving nails into their coffin. How, as a company, do you compete against free?
For me the end came when AOL bought 'em up -- same with CompuServe -- both were finished off by AOL. | |
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| said by MisterMarcus :I remember working at a company back in 1996 when Netscape was at the forefront. IE just couldn't cut it as a browser for certain things and Netscape's built in utilities made it really easy to develop personal web pages. I remember Navigator Gold which quite honestly was the greatest browser...until they screwed it up and went to the Communicator suite. Farewell Netscape...you'll forever be a part of history as the browser that WAS the greatest of all time. Just like Ali. Yeap, back in 94, my first ISP account, you had to actually go downtown to sign up. They gave you a 3.25" floppy.
It had on it:
win sock
Netscape
FTP
Gopher
All on one 1.44M floppy, lol.
They told me if I didn't like the email in Netscape to download a new program they found from their FTP server called Eudora. I later switched to Pegasus mail and still running it. Ran Netscape till IE passed it up with IE5.5
But once Fx came out I went back with the Mozilla boys.
A page has turned. But the jump start it gave the web along with the Netscape search engine can't be minimized by what it laster became..
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more cowbell
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Glendale, AZ
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| Ah, yes... I was a huge fan of netscape till version 4.5. By that time IE was far superior.
Alas, my memories of NS 1.0 are fond - downloading the duke nukem 3d demo when it first came out, on a 14.4 modem.... 
Considering that the latest netscape incarnations were just a rebranded firefox anyway, all that is really lost is the netscape name. Everything AOL touches (ICQ, netscape) turns into crap, a reverse midas touch.
Netscape is dead, long live Firefox and Seamonkey!
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| Re: Ah, yes... said by AZ_OGM :said by pb5k :Everything AOL touches (ICQ, netscape) turns into crap, a reverse midas touch. I hope that doesn't mean that Winamp will be next on AOL's crap heap. It's already headed that way.
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| Re: Really? said by Anonymous Coward :
People still used NetscapeWinAmp? I haven't seen it in years...
Winamp is my ONLY media player and has been for many years. I have WMP stomped on and killed so that only version 6.4 is usable on my XP Pro machine. I love Winamp and love AOL XM radio. I think Winamp has steadily improved. I really like the latest 5.35 version. Media library is much better. Winamp is not dying.
As for Netscape, I loved it until the recent versions when AOL came out with the most offensive EULA I have seen.
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| said by pb5k :Everything AOL touches (ICQ, netscape) turns into crap, a reverse midas touch. Add WinAmp to that list. | |
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| Re: Ah, yes... said by The WeaseL :Winamp has been going down hill in my opinion. I've been using 5.13 for the longest time, thought I would give 5.51 a try...I went back about 5 minutes later to 5.13. You mean it no longer kicks the lamma's ass? | |
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join:2004-09-13
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| said by pb5k : Everything AOL touches (ICQ, netscape) turns into crap, a reverse midas touch. Netscape is dead, long live Firefox and Seamonkey! Hear! Hear! I totally agree about AOL's management. Netscape has been dead since they took it over.
I am so happy some wonderful people are keeping the NS suite features I loved, alive in SeaMonkey. I have never used MSIE, and would have to go to Opera I guess, if these people weren't continuing the Mozilla products.
I hate that the Netscape name was ever associated with AOL, and especially that *last gasp* web site. | |
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Cork
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| said by pb5k :I was a huge fan of netscape till version 4.5. By that time IE was far superior. Alas, my memories of NS 1.0 are fond - downloading the duke nukem 3d demo when it first came out, on a 14.4 modem.... Considering that the latest netscape incarnations were just a rebranded firefox anyway, all that is really lost is the netscape name. Everything AOL touches (ICQ, netscape) turns into crap, a reverse midas touch. Netscape is dead, long live Firefox and Seamonkey! Long live Seamonkey anyway!!
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Ruckman.net
join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH | YES! ABOUT TIME! | |
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roymustang
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Oxford, MS | I killed Netscape Figures, after a long seperation from NS I downloaded the lastest version two weeks ago and it's not bad. Guess I can put it all together in Firefox though. | |
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
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join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE | Goodbye Netscape You were the first browser I ever used! You will be missed. | |
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Salt Lake City, UT
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| Re: It begain here, but didn't end here.... I've been using Netscape since 3.1, even through the dark years of 6.x and 8.x. The new 9.0.0.5 is absolutely fabulous! Especially the mini-browser feature. Very little bloat -- no embedded AIM, mail client, etc. While there may be no further updates as of Feb 1, 2008, most of those are security patches anyway. NN9 will still be an EXCELLENT browser for a long time to come.
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It Is Almost Fast
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Sacramento, CA
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | Nutscrape? All four remaining users should take notice.... | |
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join:2007-12-20
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| Re: Nutscrape? oh holy bejebus... another person who remembers when teh internets were flooded with the original "Nutscrape Aggravator vs Internet Exploder" arguments lol... back when opera was still in beta, and my 386 took almost an hour to rip a CD, and another couple hours or something insane to encode an MP3... aah.. nostalgia..god how I don't really miss those days all that much... other, of course, than the IQ of the average internet user. I don't think I will ever /not/ miss that.
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| Re: Nutscrape? said by jkb246 :Good buy Navigator. Considering that it was free, I would have to say that it was, indeed, a good buy.
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The Robot Devil
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Ann Arbor, MI
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| Shame It's a shame. Netscape used to be the best browser out there, and they did a great thing by going open-source (that's where Mozilla and later Firefox originated)
I'm glad to be able to pay my respects to what once was a great thing.
Ever since the AOL acquisition things have been going downhill for netscape. The browser just wasn't the same.
Quite frankly even firefox has gone downhill, but the new beta of firefox 3.0 does give at least some hope, finally fixing issues I have been experiencing for years (I've been using it since phoenix 0.1)
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Lakewood, OH
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Quake110
join:2003-12-20
Ottawa, ON
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| Sniff Goodbye Netscape I just downloaded Netscape 9 mostly for the name. Because I remember the time where Netscape 3 ruled the internet. Communicator was the worst browser tho. It rendering speed was atrocious and it had to redraw the website each time I resized the browser.
But damn you AOL. You destroyed ICQ, Winamp, Netscape... Winamp was a good and simple mp3 player back then, now they went berserk with Winamp 5.51.
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Richard B
Fur It Up
join:2007-06-22
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| Lessons of Netscape It very sad that what was the way the number one browsers has ending this way. I still think it was their fault. Lesions are:
1. Never say never. I despised I.E. 2.0 and accepted the buggy I.E 3.0 even through Netscape 3.0 was still buggy. I was tweaked when it came to porting Java to a 16bit windows 3.1 machine, Netscape said no and Microsoft say we will try. While it was buggy Microsoft trying won points in my book.
2. Open Source is not a way to run a business. Netscape 4.0 and I.E 4.0 were running neck to neck, I believe that Netscape failure and delay of a new version 6.0 was due to using open source development that keeping it in house.
3. Litigation doesn’t ensure market share. I still think that United States vs. Microsoft was bogus; market share doe not constitute a monopoly. Why should I want to disable a superior product for an inferior one? Netscape finally won via AOL but it did not help them developed a better product.
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Quake110
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1 edit | Re: Lessons of Netscape said by Richard B :2. Open Source is not a way to run a business. Netscape 4.0 and I.E 4.0 were running neck to neck, I believe that Netscape failure and delay of a new version 6.0 was due to using open source development that keeping it in house. I don't agree. People such like myself switched to IE 4 because Netscape 4 was just PAINFULLY slow. It was slow to draw websites, had to redraw the websites when you resize the window and was unstable.
Open source developmentally was what saved Netscape. Firefox (Mozilla) IS Netscape, they used the same resources and engineers to develop the browser. So in my opinion, open-source saved Netscape, look at Firefox. | |
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join:2003-10-26
Indianapolis, IN | pRon.. I remember surfing for porn using Netscape. It did an excellent job of downloading pictures. I switched to IE around 2000 and then fiddled with Opera before finally choosing Firefox for surfing porn.
RIP Netscape. Many fond memories.... | |
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mgbaker
join:2000-05-14
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| $4 billion or $10 billion? Did AOL buy Netscape for $4 billion or $10 billion?
Perhaps, when the deal was first announced in 1998, the
value of the deal was $4 billion. But, by the time the deal was completed, AOL's stock price had increased making the deal much more expensive. Whatever the price, that's a lot of money now, but back then, that was a *huge* deal.
»money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/a···09990004
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Queens, NY
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| Where did AOL go wrong? Lets see; where did AOL go wrong?
- Promoting themselves as the best for newbie users. (Newbie users don't spend money on the Internet, or even use the Internet, anywhere close to tech-savvy users.) As a result, they catered to users they could make the least amount of money off of.
- Believing that dial-up internet connections are great money makers, that every consumer would need; and that the need would be forever. The dial-up market's growth was going to diminish; and now that market is virtually dead. And AOL probably spent much more money per customer, than those customers would every be worth, perhaps by a factor of ten. This made a small fortune for every rinky-dink, mom & pop ISP. Mistake? AOL thought dial-up was the best thing since sliced Wonder bread.
- Using their dial-up connection to trap newbie users at AOL websites. So every newbie that gained the smallest knowledge of the internet, also learned it was necessary to get away from AOL as fast as possible, so they could actually use the internet.
- buying Netscape, a free product with virtually no potential to earn any money, for $4,000,000,000.00. Yeah, that was brilliant. Then to add insult to injury, AOL not spend enough on keeping it developed, ensuring it would not keep pace with other browsers, and fail.
AOL tarnished Time-Warner, one of this nations most premiere, well-known, Fortune 500, blue-chip corporations. Investing in AOL was easily the biggest mistake Time-Warner has ever made in its history.
AOL went from being a company of good original ideas, to a company of bad ideas. Now they have nothing original, and can't compete in their primary business, of copying others ideas. IBM was the slow-moving behemoth of a company, with slow to the market, old ideas, at inflated prices. So, AOL is in fact, the new IBM! Whereas, IBM has become what AOL never was, even at AOL's peak.
As far as Netscape goes, dumping it is a long overdue idea. Yeah, everybody loved it, ...but the gravy train is over. The question is, 'is there any hope for AOL at this point'? | |
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clubs: | Re: Where did AOL go wrong? AOL made most of its profits during the dial-up boom by sending out free coasters and free floppies. Once people got broadband, there was no need to keep AOL. Now it's hard to get new users online because the broadband companies are doing it first. | |
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join:2001-12-03
Atlanta, GA
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| said by whizkid3 :Lets see; where did AOL go wrong? The easiest answer to this one is when they chose IE over Netscape to be their browser in version 3.0 I think. IMHO, that was where NS lost market share to never ever catch up again. AOL was the big player at the time and could have influenced the market much differently. IIRC, that was around the time they went unlimited and had all the busy signals.
I came up using Netscape and have never used IE as a primary browser. I went from Communicator to Mozilla to Firefox and Thunderbird. | |
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Jacksonville, FL
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| I think AOL-TW would have become something much bigger if not for a few clauses in their merger consent decree.
- Could not own last mile access to the home without providing open access to their own networks, including TW Cable. This killed any DSL initiative though TimeWarner Telecom and they were forced to partner with carriers for last mile access.(TWT was later spun off)
- Could not provide telephone services on their network (they resold AT&T Long Distance after that)
They had a plan to reinvent the AOL Client into a java based portal that could show videos, VoIP, music, messaging, online publishing, etc. that would usurp the browser hold of IE.
While they made their gaffes, like trying to force AOL Mail on all of AOL-TW Corporate, they were also forced into a straitjacket by the super lobbying done by Telco Inc, Cable Inc and Microsoft. It ultimately worked as they couldn't enter new markets and the AOL client drowned under its own weight.
They built this fantastic infrastructure to support all of this and it was for naught as they never got the portal done correctly to leverage it. As early as 2002, the real talent started leaving knowing what was going to happen. | |
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rick752
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1 edit | said by whizkid3 :Lets see; where did AOL go wrong? AOL spent a ton of money on a browser that they could not integrate with their own server. They forever packaged Internet Explorer as their default browser because of the Microsoft interface that their service ran on. AOL NEVER used Netscape as a default browser.
This, to me, constitutes one of the most stupid and most boneheaded multi-billion dollar acquisitions in internet history. 
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