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We're domain front-running so scammers don't have to!
(old news - 09:21AM Thursday Jan 10 2008)
tags: business · networking · scam · domains
Tipped by Jafo232 See Profile
Network Solutions is under fire this week for domain "front running," or for purchasing and holding certain domains after they're searched for at the company's website, thereby not letting anyone buy the domain at other registrars. For example, should you be in the business of eating aardvarks and try to search for the availability of the domain eataardvark.com at Network Solutions, the website will show you that it's available.

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Within seconds, Network Solutions subsequently registers the domain for five days, preventing users from buying it anywhere other than Network Solutions. Places where, in many instances, you might be able to get a better deal should you want to shop around.

After Internet anger began to bubble over this week Jonathon Nevett, Vice President of Policy at Network Solutions, issued a statement saying that the practice wasn't anti-competitive, it was a security feature:
...we have implemented a security measure to protect our customers. The measure will kick in when a customer searches for an available domain name at our website, but decides not to purchase the name immediately after conducting the search...You are correct that we are trying to take an arrow out of the quiver of the tasters. As you know, domain tasters are the largest Front Runners. [...] Some folks may not agree with our approach, but we are trying to prevent this malicious activity from impacting our customers.
In other words, Network Solutions solution for front running is to do it themselves, which in the process just happens to keep people from registering domains with competitors at lower prices. There's some additional discussion about this in our webmasters and developers forum.

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wruckman
Ruckman.net

join:2007-10-25
Northwood, OH
·RoadRunner Cable

Scum

This doesn't sit right with me. This prevents the consumer from purchasing the domain name at a different provider if he wishes. For instance, if he doesn't like how network solutions is run or finds a cheaper price he can't go somewhere else. Simple solution, don't use network solutions for anything. Don't even search using them. Starve them.

firephoto
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Re: Scum

They get what they deserve.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

Re: Scum

said by firephoto See Profile :

They get what they deserve.

Н4X0Я3D

networksolushits

@bulldogdsl.com

Just go to their site & enter stupid domains, porn names or abusive names like www.networksolutionsrbigpricks&iwillpurchaseelsewhere.com, they will have fun registering & holding these useless names for 5 days
ltjordan

join:2001-12-02
Hyattsville, MD

Re: Scum

Wow! That is dirty. It's sad but nowadays, I'm not even surprised when a company does something like this. Your suggestion is a pretty good one though.
sirghost
citywide

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That they do. LOL

Jammy
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said by firephoto See Profile :

They get what they deserve.
lol . . .that is too cute!

Jammy
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usa2k
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Re: ... and then some!

»www.help-i-am-held-hostage-by-netsol.com/

Matt
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Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..

Shady

I can't believe people still use these folks. While I don't begrudge a company to make money, this is over the line. If you're worried about front-runners so much, put a captcha there for bots, or make the process long and tedious for humans.

This is nothing but a ploy to prevent registration at a cheaper registrar masquerading as the good sheriff.

tschmidt
Premium,MVM
join:2000-11-12
Milford, NH

Re: Shady

When I first registered a domain name used Network Solutions. Figured as legacy registrar they would be more stable better then newcomers. Sadly that has not been true. Moved to other registrar years ago.

/tom

newview
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1 edit

Contact ICANN

Never Mind . . .

AnonProxy
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Re: Contact ICANN

I think you mean Internic
(If you have questions, comments or complaints about accredited registrars, go to www.internic.net.)

newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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Parsonsburg, MD

Re: Contact ICANN

Jeez . . . you're right!
What was I thinking?


AnonProxy
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Re: Contact ICANN

that's ok...I'm so mad at this I almost threw my monitor out the window!

newview
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Re: Contact ICANN

said by AnonProxy See Profile :

that's ok...I'm so mad at this I almost threw my monitor out the window!
That's EXACTLY my feeling. NetSol has confirmed they are dirty, greedy bottom-feeding scum suckers with this action.
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Re: Contact ICANN

sitefinder didn't clue you into that?

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
·Optimum Online

Why? Network Solutions has bought and paid for them. The fact that every time the monopoly on .com registrations comes up for renewal it automatically gets handed to Network Solutions is a good indication of that. The best workaround is TO NOT use NSI for domain availability queries but rather one of the other providers. The question I do not see an answer to is this activity taking place from www.networksolutions.com queries or from www.internic.net queries? I guess I need to do some testing and see what is up.
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newview
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Re: Contact ICANN

said by n2jtx See Profile :

Why?
Their actions are designed for one purpose, to prevent me from buying domains from a cheaper registrar. You can rest assured I'll NEVER use NetSol for anything.
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Re: Contact ICANN

I stopped using NetSol for ANYTHING, even looking anything up, since 2002. The funny thing is that I always suspected something like this would EVENTUALLY happen.. I was always afraid to look for domains until I knew it was time to take it.. and to be honest, I'd never use their site to search for anything either - whois or just to see if something was available.

This company needs to go, and now.

Michael_0000001

@sbcglobal.net

"has bought and paid for them"

NOT WAY, this is what Bob Parsons of GoDaddy termed domain kiting. They have NO out of pocket fees. Network Solutions and others allow scammers to register a domain and then cancel it within 5 days with no fee (not even the 20 cents to ICANN). They are then allowed to re-register the same name for yet another 5 days, and so the process begins. Free domains with a simple automated register / cancel script.

I'm all for the 20 cent fee being mandatory at the time of registration. Charging even this 20 cents will make it unprofitable for scammers to keep re-registering these domains.

Beth64
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join:2003-11-17
Brooklyn, NY
·Optimum Online

said by n2jtx See Profile :

Why? Network Solutions has bought and paid for them. The fact that every time the monopoly on .com registrations comes up for renewal it automatically gets handed to Network Solutions is a good indication of that. The best workaround is TO NOT use NSI for domain availability queries but rather one of the other providers. The question I do not see an answer to is this activity taking place from www.networksolutions.com queries or from www.internic.net queries? I guess I need to do some testing and see what is up.
AFAICT, www.networksolutions.com queries only.
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AnonProxy
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Bull- SHIT

There is NO need to secure a domain name that isn't owned by anyone, except to profiteer in their sale.

izy
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join:2000-09-21
Naples, FL

Does this cost...

Network Solutions to squat on these domain name searches from their website?

AnonProxy
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Re: Does this cost...

I think they can sit the domain for 5 days, with no fee.
What they do is submit the request, register it, then back out due to "non payment".

It doesn't really work that way but it is the same process they use when doing transactions. They "float" the domain for a few days.
Technically it's a client hold process, testing the viability of the client's status.

dvd536
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said by izy See Profile :

Network Solutions to squat on these domain name searches from their website?
if it does, create a script to search random letters costing them a bunch. even if its a few pennies/domain, a few million searches could cost them.
use their own greed against them
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Garbage and GREED

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cmancool4

join:2006-05-01
Howell, NJ

Prices

I have had to deal with network solutions on several occasions with different clients and their prices are outrageous compared to other domain sites. Obviously, they can't compete with the other companies if they don't cheat!
Gres7

join:2001-03-05
Brooklyn, NY

how nice of them

and all for "low" $35 annual fee.

jgkolt
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Lakewood, OH
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Re: how nice of them

we can use this to our advantage. Now someone can block someone else from registering a domain. This doesn't sit right with me either.
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dentman42

join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH
·AT&T Midwest

Re: how nice of them

said by jgkolt See Profile :

we can use this to our advantage. Now someone can block someone else from registering a domain. This doesn't sit right with me either.
And just write a script to search for it every 5 days so they keep hold of it.
patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY

said by Gres7 See Profile :

and all for "low" $35 annual fee.
I remember when it was $70 or $100 a month or year, was so expensive back in like 1997 I never looked back. Thank god they broke that monopoly up. Netsol=Ma Bell of DNS.
bgraham

join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY
·Verizon FIOS

Network Solutions is a terrible company

A friend had 2 domain names registered at Net Sol. He switched ISP's and his old email address used by Net Sol was lost. He never received emails regarding his password being changed on his Net Sol account.

Net Sol make it almost impossible to renew the domain name which went into the "awaiting renewal or deletion" status. 3 times he faxed off the required info to get his password and update his email address. They kept sending back information on the wrong account. You cannot get a real person and he ended up loosing one domain, the other went into a 30 day hold where Net Sol wanted a premium to get it back. Nothing like holding the customer hostage!! The Net Sol web site plainly said it was a 30 day hold, which in itself is wrong.

Eventually after more like 60 days, not 30 the domain became available so he purchased it from a much cheaper (and better) registration company. There they had to do some manual intervention because even though Net Sol said the domain was available they still had some kind of hold on it

I would not use Net Sol to register anything.

Maxo
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Run them out of business

Why not just have a domain-search party. Go to Network Solutions website and search for available domains until they spend so much money registering domains that you aren't going to buy that they will have to either stop the process or go out of business.

jgkolt
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Re: Run them out of business

ha i just tried and the first one i tried is already registered or rather squated.

»networksolutionssucks.com/
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izy
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1 edit
It works!

{edit} And very fast I might add.


LiamJunket
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·Comcast

ICANN looking in to this - BUT could take a couple years

ICANN says they are aware "domain tasting" or "front running" is a problem. And they are going to study the problem - which could take months to a couple years.
»ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jQ6j···8U2GJPO0
In a draft report issued this week, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers outlined key issues for a committee to study further and craft recommendations. A final report is due after a public comment period closes Jan. 28.

Don't expect any immediate relief. The committee, the Generic Names Supporting Organization, could take months or years to review the matter, after which ICANN's board still would have to vote on any changes.
Here is the ICANN report on "Domain Tasting":
»gnso.icann.org/issues/domain-tas···an08.pdf
You can comment on their report here:
domain-tasting-2008@icann.org
And see other comments here:
»forum.icann.org/lists/domain-tasting-2008/
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ha try contacting network solutions

They dont have an email you can send to but everytime i try to use their form they give me an error "Remove spaces from the start and end of the data" MAYBE THEY DONT WANT TO PROVIDE CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR THE PREMIUM priced domain registration. I think i spent 9 bucks on my registration.
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bgraham

join:2001-03-15
Smithtown, NY

This web site actually posts the daily Net Sol list!!

»www.dailychanges.com/detail/?ns=···38&act=n

proefain
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Crofton, MD


1 edit

Re: This web site actually posts the daily Net Sol list!!

That's funny.
1831 requests from the day you posted.

»www.dailychanges.com/detail/?ns=···38&act=n

20000 listings get you though the V's from yesterday.

»www.dailychanges.com/detail/?ns=···38&act=n

So far today 20000 only gets you to H
(This ones particularly funny around the FU* mark )

morbo
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sneaky company


recently transferred a domain away from Network Solutions due to their bad business practices and high cost.

I had to log into my account (it had been 5+ years since last login) to do the transfer, and upon login they required me to complete a field that wasn't in their system. I had to fill it in to continue. So I did. Turns out that means I updated my account and they put a 60 day hold on the domain. Bastards!

Packeteers
Premium
join:2005-06-18
Forest Hills, NY
·Verizon Online DSL

GoDaddy does it too

I had the same thing happen to me over a year ago.
did a whois on godaddy of an obscure domain name.
it was available, but I waited 2 weeks to come
back to register it, and GoDaddy had already
camped that domain for the next 2 years. f'kers.

AnonProxy
Proxy of Anon
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Re: GoDaddy does it too

No that's different. That means someone actually bought it. The way it works is they have about 3-7 days to sit the domain. Sort of like a "waiting for payment" thing.
If it was "camped" for two years, that means someone bought it and did nothing with it.

Packeteers
Premium
join:2005-06-18
Forest Hills, NY
·Verizon Online DSL

Re: GoDaddy does it too

I beg to differ, as it's a
very obscure domain name.
GoDaddy is holding it randsome,
GoDaddy wants $1,000 for it now.
and 13 Months later has done
nothing with it at all.
I'll just wait till the 2 years
are up. was just a hobby idea.

AnonProxy
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Re: GoDaddy does it too

No what I mean is that someone BOUGHT it. If they actually BOUGHT it, they can do nothing with it or everything with it.
The person that bought it used the anon buying option, and is listing it with godaddy, that is all.

DHRacer
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Can see it both ways

Having several domain names to myself, and done domain registering for others, I can say that I'd see this both ways.

From the negative (which seems to be the majority around here): Yes, they squat on the name as soon as you search it, preventing other registrars from being able to register it if you find it some place cheaper/better.

The positive: I've had to research domain names for companies and individuals who want a particular name, only to find that one has already been taken (and is in actual use). So, I start brainstorming alternatives, and I will search every one of them and then make a "alternative List" of the ones that are available and the ones that are not, so when I go before the client (business or personal), I can give them options, and if they suggest some obvious options I already though of, I can tell them straight off if it's available or not. Now, with Network Solutions doing this, I know that in the time I'm discussing options with a client, no one else can "take" the options I am presenting so when the client picks one, I can go back and get it knowing it's going to still be available, thanks to Network Solutions policy.

So you can see this both ways. I think a lot of you are seeing it from the personal level where the domain you want is initially available, and therefore the lock out is unfair. But for those who are trying to get their second/third/forth choice or need to discuss options with business management, this service might be good for them.

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Blueghost

join:2005-02-09
Carmel, NY

Terrible Company

I had an email and hosting account and several domains with Netsol that I decided to move because of the cost. The move pretty much went without a problem except once the domains and email became active on the new server, I started receiving a significant increase in spam. From just about nothing to around 60 a day. I don't know if Netsol dropped a dime on me or if the new company just wants me to buy a spam service or something. Anyway Netsol is way over priced.

ag1010

join:2001-06-11
Kenosha, WI

I Was A Victim To This Scam

I did a search for a domain through them (Bad Move On My Part) for a domain that was available and after a few days when the Customer was ready to purchase the domain it was taken. I e-mailed the "New" owners and they wanted $100 bucks for it. I balked at paying that much and decided to wait out the year and hopefully pick it up after they let the domain expire. To my surprise however a few months later the domain was once again "available" so this time I snatched it up for a few bucks at another Domain registrar. Below is a sample e-mail communication between me and the fake owner:

Dear Angel Gonzalez,

You have received an offer for:

Domain Name: THE DOMAIN NAME I WANT TO BUY
Amount: $100.00

To accept or counter the offer, please log into your DomainSponsor account.

If you have any questions please contact us at DSsupport@domainsponsor.com

Regards,

DomainSponsor Staff
email: DSsupport@domainsponsor.com
website: domainsponsor.com

Note: This email was sent from an address that cannot accept incoming e-mail. Please do not reply to this message.

newview
Ex .. Ex .. Exactly
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Parsonsburg, MD

Safe domain availability search?

I saw this posted on /.

quote:
Here, use this:

»support.suso.org/dns/saferdomainlookup.php [suso.org]

I wrote it a few months ago after these types of issues started coming up. I provide some transparency so that you can have confidence in trusting it. Of course, you can always use command line whois or DNS tools.
»slashdot.org/articles/08/01/08/1920215.shtml
From Suso's domain availability checker:

quote:
A safer place to check for domain availability. Please only use this website if you want to check if a domain is available. Do not use other websites unless they offer some guarantee that they do not share their domain lookup logs with 3rd parties.
Welcome to Suso's safer domain availability checker. This page was created to provide everyone with a safer way to check for domain availability without fear that the query itself will be recorded and used to snatch the domain from you before you can register it.
YMMV

Anyone know of any other safe domain availability search sites?
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Re: Safe domain availability search?

HA!!!! I always had my suspicions. I would try out names and think to myself that MUST be going to a database somewhere that "someone" has expressed interest in the "that" name.

MrMaster
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Austin, TX
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Thanks Karl!

Thanks for stealing my business name eataardvark.com!

I was going to make millions off that website.
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jussfgdsfg

@qwest.net

networksolutions is going down

lets see how many we can register by searching

find a text editer and make tons this may stop there rip off scams and there gonna help themselfes do it

these are all registered names and submitted to search engines

networksolutionspathetic3 .com

networksolutionssucksass2 .com

networksolutionssucks2 .com

networksolutionsisgay2 .com

networksolutionsisrippingyouoff2 .com

networksolutionsfuckyou2 .com

networksolutionseatshit2 .com

fuckyounetworksolutions2 .com

networksolutionsripoffs2 .com

networksolutionspathetic2 .com

networksolutionssucksass1 .com

networksolutionssucks1 .com

networksolutionsisgay1 .com

networksolutionsisrippingyouoff1 .com

networksolutionsfuckyou1 .com

networksolutionseatshit1 .com

fuckyounetworksolutions1 .com

networksolutionsripoffs1 .com

networksolutionspathetic1 .com

networksolutionssucksass .com

networksolutionssucks .com

networksolutionsisgay .com

networksolutionsisrippingyouoff .com

networksolutionsfuckyou .com

networksolutionseatshit .com

fuckyounetworksolutions .com

networksolutionsripoffs .com

networksolutionspathetic .com

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