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The oldest bluff in the telecom lobbying playbook...
09:56AM Thursday Oct 22 2009 by Karl Bode
tags: business · bandwidth · Op/Ed · networking · net-neutrality
One of the talking points repeated over and over and over by carriers who oppose network neutrality is that network neutrality rules will "stifle investment" in the sector. Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg said as much yesterday, and AT&T urged their employees (via private e-mail accounts) to bombard the FCC with the talking point earlier this week. Lobbyists and paid mouthpieces also repeat the threat at every opportunity. But is it true? Not even remotely, according to a new report by consumer advocacy firm Free Press:
Not only did AT&T's investment increase under network neutrality rules, but the company's gross investment also increased more than any other ISP's in America during this period. In the two years following the imposition of network neutrality rules, AT&T's gross capital expenditures increased by $1.8 billion, or 10.2 percent.
For one, it needs to be understood that with the volume of lobbying that will wind up shaping the FCC's new rules, it's highly unlikely that the guidelines will do anything other than prevent the most egregious of anti-competitive offenses (like an ISP blocking a service because it competes with one of its own). The idea that a heavily-lobbied Uncle Sam is going to pass real, tough pro-consumer laws at this juncture is somewhat of a joke in and of itself -- much less the idea that these basic rules would impact the largely unrelated need to invest in capacity.

Secondly, if you've studied the telecom industry lobbying play book at all, you know that threatening to halt investment is the oldest trick in the book. Carriers have always threatened to halt investment unless they get whatever it is they want (lower taxes, elimination of consumer protections, subsidies, less regulation for them, more regulation for a competitor, a new pony). It almost always works, thanks to spineless regulators who are driven either by fear their state is going to be left in the digital dust, or by campaign contributions.

For example in Massachusetts, Verizon first threatened to halt FiOS investment unless they got favorable TV regulation. After getting what they wanted -- Verizon again threatened to halt investment because they didn't want to pay property taxes. Even when Verizon wasn't having to pay property taxes they left huge rural swaths of Massachusetts unwired -- and it had to do with a low rural ROI and limited competition, given they already had favorable regulation. Withholding network investment to gain political favor is bullying, and the threats are empty.

But Free Press plays along, giving readers a business 101 primer on the kind of things that actually do impact network investment: competition (which carriers often don't face), supply costs (which continue to drop), and demand or expectation of demand (which obviously continue to rise). As the Free Press notes, when asked, no ISP has actually been able to supply a concrete example of how the new FCC neutrality rules would lower ROI, but that apparently doesn't stop these companies and their mouthpieces from re-using the argument repeatedly.

The idea that a few watered down FCC neutrality rules would halt absolutely necessary investment is bogus, yet that apparently doesn't stop it from being repeated not only by ISPs, but by a gullible press, well-lobbied politicians, and investors. It shows you the effectiveness of having your lobbyists repeat the same false arguments for half a decade, regardless of how many times those arguments are proven incorrect.

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Really?

Pro-NN lobbyists argue that NN is a good thing. Film at 11.

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Re: Really?

Replying to myself, how lame

It's rather silly to pretend this report tells us anything of value about any proposed regulatory scheme. From the summary:

At the end of 2006, AT&T, as a condition of its acquisition of BellSouth, was required by the FCC to operate a neutral network for two years. During this period, while operating under network neutrality rules, AT&T's overall gross investment increased by $1.8 billion -- more than any other ISP's in America.
See? They had net neutrality, and they still had a whole truckload of capital investments anyway, those lying liars. We can impose that same scheme any time, and they'll still invest anyway!

Except...there's no reason to conclude that. It's just as reasonable - or perhaps more reasonable - to conclude that AT&T invested in capital expenditures because they knew that the regulations were limited in time, and hence they'd still be able to realize some sort of ROI at the end of that. So what does this tell us about the likely behavior of network providers under a permanent, all-encompassing, universal NN regulatory plan? Absolutely nothing whatsoever. And we're not even past page TWO of this thing.

Really, this is very poor argumentation on the part of this group - whoever picked up the tab for this thing ought to be looking for a refund at this point. But, on the other hand, it reinforces the extant groupthink for a certain set of readers, so I guess we'll run with it here

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Cool it! - Net Neutrality rules not til next summer

A lot of hype today will be in the tech press as the FCC announces it will start a Net Neutrality proceeding. What you will hear little about is that new FCC Net Neutrality rules won't be voted on until next summer. Plenty of time for the lobbyists to make sure the rules have plenty of loopholes and also to ready any lawsuits against any interpretation they don't like.

»tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091022/···et_rules
The chairman, Julius Genachowski, has the support of the two other Democrats on the five-member commission, enough to formally launch the net neutrality proceeding. That would likely produce rules for the FCC to vote on by next summer.
You can watch today's FCC hearing live right now at:
»www.fcc.gov/live/

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Net Neutrality rules not til next summer

FCC Staff presentation material for the proposed rulemaking on Net Neutrality. That is, what the FCC hopes to accomplish with this proceeding:

»hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/a···52A1.pdf
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Let them have their way...

No, hear me out.. scrap all net neutrality, let the carriers have their way.

And with that, strip all common carrier status. The partst hat protect the telco's from prosecution for what their users/customers do.

Lets see.. support net neutrality, or get sued by every content company on the planet for what their users/customers do.

Give them the option...

Now yes, I am sure they could chose the loss of common carrier status and then use technical means (I know, because security and policy enforcement is what I do for a living) to really restrict what can be accessed, but then you start to push customers away. If all the telco's and ISPs pull the same tricks, prosecute for collusion...

That is more of a rant then any real serious statement, as I am sure the telco's and ISP's would work with the content providers to find a suitable way to screw the users, but atleast we could then sue the crap out of the ISP's...

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Re: Let them have their way...

said by jvanbrecht See Profile :

And with that, strip all common carrier status. The partst hat protect the telco's from prosecution for what their users/customers do.
Cable companies don't have common carrier status.
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Re: Let them have their way...

in the portion quoted.. I do not see cable listed in there.. Telco yes.. cable no
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Cable companies don't have common carrier status.
that's because they are not classified as telecom services; FCC says cable is "information service"
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Easier thing to do, revoke "license to use public property for the public good", they have 24 hours to remove their property off the ROW or they will get a huge littering ticket. People can switch to cell phone or Cable TV VOIP.

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Re: Let them have their way...

said by patcat88 See Profile :

Easier thing to do, revoke "license to use public property for the public good", they have 24 hours to remove their property off the ROW or they will get a huge littering ticket. People can switch to cell phone or Cable TV VOIP.
Courts would stop that so fast your head would spin.
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Re: Let them have their way...

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Courts would stop that so fast your head would spin.
Many ways to shoot fish in a barrel. PUC proposes and passes new rules according to delegated powers by state law, then fines the ILEC into bankruptcy, then seizes telco infrastructure to ensure service quality through the bankruptcy trial.

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Courts would stop that so fast your head would spin.
Many ways to shoot fish in a barrel. PUC proposes and passes new rules according to delegated powers by state law, then fines the ILEC into bankruptcy, then seizes telco infrastructure to ensure service quality through the bankruptcy trial.
Sorry, but the US isn't Cuba or Venezuela where the gov't can confiscate private property without court hearings and compensation.
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Sorry, but the US isn't Cuba or Venezuela where the gov't can confiscate private property without court hearings and compensation.
But the wires are sitting on PUBLIC property. There is no right to keep ANYTHING on public property. Lets see how long my abandoned, no plate, with 5 tickets on the windshield car will stay parked on public property.

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Re: Let them have their way...

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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Sorry, but the US isn't Cuba or Venezuela where the gov't can confiscate private property without court hearings and compensation.
But the wires are sitting on PUBLIC property. There is no right to keep ANYTHING on public property.
Depends on the promises made by the public in return for access to public property.

You're both right. But, I think you're more right. Conservatives tend to overlook all the "socialism" involved in the creation of a private enterprise like cable, telcos and internet carriers. To them, after that initial ugliness is over, it's just a "free market." Any recognition of ongoing social interests is "socialism."

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we know that greed is what really stifles investment

if at&t and verizon put as much money and energy into building modern networks as they put into astroturfing and bribing congress maybee we wouldn't be so low down in the worldwide broadband and wireless rankings.

keep up the crap at&t and verizon... just keep dropping the straws on the camels back until we will get rid of these stupid franchise laws and let people actually compete with you.

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Incentive

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Finally, Seidenberg says restricting carriers' ability to favor certain content and to create tiered services would take away their financial incentives to invest in network upgrades.
Incentive? How about to keep your paying customers? What are you doing with their monthly access fees? If you decide that the money customers are paying you is not worth investing in network upgrades, your customers are going to look for a provider that does.

I can be relatively certain that should network neutrality not pass and Verizon were to team up with a company such as Yahoo!, Google searches would suddenly start responding very slowly.
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Re: Incentive

said by n2jtx See Profile :

Incentive? How about to keep your paying customers? What are you doing with their monthly access fees? If you decide that the money customers are paying you is not worth investing in network upgrades, your customers are going to look for a provider that does.
While in theory you are correct, the main issue is that for many people / places you have a monopoly or at best a duopoly situation.

I do not buy into the "we lose incentive to invest" game. If they CHOOSE not to invest, then remove their right to do business in the state and bring someone in that will.

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They got away with breaking the law with government.

They got away with breaking the law with government.
Now they think they get to do whatever the hell they want. Nice going nobama.
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Reganism not Reganomics

All corporations love Reganism and are in the two year old child mode. Mine, Mine, all Mine. Remember Regan's speech that advocated eliminating all regulation of big business. The last thing big business wants is government telling them what they can and cannot do. Much corporate lobbying effort goes to make sure any laws or regulations that are put into effect have enough holes in them to allow corporate lawyers to drive a truck through. What I recommend citizens do for those CEO's and Lawmakers that advocate no regulation is to send them to Somalia where there is no government to get in the way and then report back how wonderful it is not to have to worry about government officials, like the police to protect them from thugs. Get mugged by a thug and call the police. Get mugged by your ISP and you are screwed because the TOS agreement gives the ISP the right to change the TOS agreement at any time and require the subscriber to go through binding arbitration which is biased in favor of the ISP as their only recourse. All network neutrality regulation will do is to protect citizens from broadband ISP thugs.
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What I recommend citizens do for those CEO's and Lawmakers that advocate no regulation is to send them to Somalia where there is no government to get in the way and then report back how wonderful it is not to have to worry about government officials, like the police to protect them from thugs.
Well, thats an excellent example of free market, but if I were a CEO, I would know what to do in Somalia. Machine guns, poison gas, nets, well poisoning, and man sized rat trap with jugs of water on them. Then we take the game we hunted onto trucks, and take them to a rendering plant to turn into pet food and biodiesel. Free market all the way!

Law enforcement is irrelavent when I drive around in a convoy with autocannons and MANPADs on my SUVs.

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Re: Reganism not Reganomics

now that's just plain bad-ass.

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said by patcat88 See Profile :

Well, thats an excellent example of free market,
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Law enforcement is irrelavent when I drive around in a convoy with autocannons and MANPADs on my SUVs.
Unfortunately, chain guns are the product of military spending, not a "free market." The chances of you getting a GMC (the product of social regulation and bailouts), a chain gun, and belted ammunition would be highly dependent upon your connections to civilized governments.

For sure, if you had that kind of money and connections, your Qat-chewing private Somalian militia would hold you for far more ransom than the $20 a month you pay them.

That's a "free market."

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Let's see if there's really "change"!

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thanks to spineless regulators who are driven either by fear their state is going to be left in the digital dust, or by campaign contributions.
Let's see if this administration is the same as the old one.
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ISP stocks on Net Neutrality Day

ISP stocks on Net Neutrality Day close higher: T +0.16, CMCSA +0.41, VZ -0.01, TWC +0.37 »ping.fm/H7tsP
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Re: ISP stocks on Net Neutrality Day

Did you notice the rest of the market too?
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Threat of regulation has chilled investment in small ISPs

Karl, what you say above is false and disingenuous. When Genachowski spoke last week on proposed regulation, the two investors we were courting for our small ISP both walked away. We cannot raise capital until there is a Report and Order, and may not be able to do so after that -- especially if the wording of the final rules is as vague as that of the ones in the NPRM.
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