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cork1958
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2015-Jan-23 9:24 am
Re: Good.Would be great even if only it was going some where! | |
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2015-Jan-25 11:55 am
Re: Good.Democrats can't bring anything to the House or Senate floor. They are out of power. This is at best theater. At best this bill empowers local governments to provide some type of service.
The Thune bill accomplishes more, and it's detested on this forum.
So a bill that can't pass and only empowers government is beloved here, but a bill which can pass and empowers internet users is detested.
Odd thing about dslreports, it used to be more about technology and less about loving the DNC and Obama. | |
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2015-Jan-23 8:21 am
Bill going nowhereThis bill is going nowhere. It was introduced by 3 dems in a Republican Congress. It won't even make it out of committee. | |
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2015-Jan-23 8:24 am
Re: Bill going nowheresaid by NoWhere :This bill is going nowhere. It was introduced by 3 dems in a Republican Congress. It won't even make it out of committee. yeah your best bet if you want to overturn state laws banning broadband deployment by local goverments right now is with the fcc however i highly doubt they have the legal juristiction or power to overturn state laws assuming they even have the backbone to try | |
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bop75
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2015-Jan-23 9:01 am
Re: Bill going nowhereIt not intended to. It's a circus act. I seem to remember these same dems owned both houses. Ohhh, they didn't think of it. | |
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2015-Jan-23 9:19 am
Re: Bill going nowhereI agree this bill is going absolutely nowhere. Sadly the Republicans feel it is their duty to throw consumers under the bus yet Democrats would more than likely attach a rider adding a new USF charge on Internet access requiring everybody who pays for broadband to pay a new tax to give it to those who don't. Neither party gives a hoot in hell about the majority of us who vote these id__ts in. | |
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how can they stop a wispa, all they can do is say you cant use the right of way for lines, we made a wispa in a city with this ordinance and ironically we call all the city contract | |
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I'd be shocked if this passed in a Dem controlled congress. There's no way the cable lobby would let it pass. | |
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But but..... republicans are suppose to be all about capitalism and what's more capitalistic then competition? republicans should fast track this bill and make it law. | |
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2015-Jan-23 2:07 pm
Re: Bill going nowhereGood point! | |
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Why isn't this being handled at the state level instead of the federal level? My understanding is this affects 19 states at this time. State residents should petition their state government to correct these laws. I apologize if I misunderstand the situation. | |
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AmazingThough I'd prefer private companies building out networks, and leave the public out of it, at times communities have no choice, and it's Amazing how many people don't understand the following................ "As we've long noted, towns and cities wouldn't be getting into the broadband business if they were happy with the service being offered, highlighting a market failure and a lack of competition in the sector."
There should be choice when there isn't.
Too bad it's not going anywhere as others have alluded to. | |
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2015-Jan-23 8:52 am
Re: Amazingsaid by davidc502:Though I'd prefer private companies building out networks, and leave the public out of it, at times communities have no choice, ...."As we've long noted, towns and cities wouldn't be getting into the broadband business if they were happy with the service being offered.... That is not accurate at all. Locally controlled community broadband is a goldmine of patronage for crooked pols who pad payrolls with relatives and campaign contributors. So, yes they would get in to the business to feather their own nests. | |
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2015-Jan-23 9:11 am
Re: AmazingThis. Nepotism in government is ASTRONOMICAL.
I know that you have guys on various councils at the county/city level salivating at this. | |
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Re: Amazingsaid by TestBoy:This. Nepotism in government is ASTRONOMICAL.
I know that you have guys on various councils at the county/city level salivating at this. And another step closer to socialism. Government getting into the ISP business. | |
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2015-Jan-23 10:10 am
Re: Amazingdo you consider the roads and highways a step closer to socialism? | |
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Re: Amazingsaid by woody7:do you consider the roads and highways a step closer to socialism? You can't convince them of anything.. Too many years of listening to Glenn Beck, Rush, and Hannity.... It's also too bad they don't realize it's 'entertainment' and these people are paid to entertain. All these entertainers do is motivate a bunch of paranoid people to hate anything other than what they 'think' they stand for. | |
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2015-Jan-23 10:46 am
Re: AmazingMy favorite listeners are the poor folk - like my mother. She lives in her double wide, enjoyed extended unemployed benefits, and went back to school for virtually nothing. The entire time she took advantage of those benefits, she ranted about socialism. She would occasionally call me up and tell me about the latest Limbaugh session she listed to. She also loves to tell me how Obama is a Muslim. When I ask her how she knows or how that even matters, she just starts to stutter. I love her but she's quite pathetic.
Socialism and capitalism aren't black and white issues but I guess some people are too dumb and wrapped up in the hype to see otherwise. | |
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Re: AmazingThis was a refreshing read. My in-laws are the same way. Just for fun my wife and I switched between Fox News and NBC for the same story last week. The Fox "news anchors" were actually laughing in the studio at Obama during a supposed news show. I found it hard to believe they would act that way during a professional newscast. | |
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norm
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2015-Jan-23 12:54 pm
Re: AmazingI'm not sure what your living arrangements are but I'm glad I have an 8 hour drive to divide her from my life. The casual racism is strong in her. I failed to mention before but her boyfriend of several years now works at Walmart as a semi mechanic for peanuts and has for over 15 years now. They shop almost entirely at Walmart in order to "support" the Waltons and her boyfriend. They hate that I refuse to shop at Walmart. | |
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some of the biggest crybabies about "Socialism" are the folks who are benefitting the most from government social programs. The elderly are exceptionally guilty of this. They claimed that if Obama got universal healthcare there would be death panels.
They all get Medicare which when combined with their insurance supplement is basically like Germany's dual payer system. | |
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Re: AmazingWhich they paid for their entire working lives. | |
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The thing about Medicare and Social Security is they paid into it. It's when the corrupt politicians dipped into it and basically raided the trust fund turning it into a government run Ponzi scheme (that happened in the '80s). Then there are the people with non existent disabilities that claim they're so disabled that their back hurts so bad they can't even walk ten feet. Yet they're parked in the hadicapped at Home Depot with the truck from their under the table plumbing business with a fraudulently obtained placard (from non-existent back pain) and they load that water heater in the the truck like nothing is wrong. These clowns get approved on the initial application.
Yet my former neighbor who has asthma so bad he doesn't even last five minutes on the phone had to appeal THREE times to get disability payments. UNBELIEVABLE! | |
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All roads and highways should be sold and then operated by private corporations. In order to travel across interstates, you need an RFID tag that is tied directly to your major credit card that bills you every time you cross into a new company's roadspace. (sarcasm, in case you can't tell ) | |
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2015-Jan-23 4:07 pm
Re: Amazingsaid by AmericanMan:In order to travel across interstates, you need an RFID tag that is tied directly to your major credit card that bills you every time you cross into a new company's roadspace. Something very similar to this concept is done in Florida with their turnpike. It is called Sun Pass, and basically every toll on the turnpike has Sun Pass lanes. If motorists in FL want to use it, they must purchase a Sun Pass transponder from FDOT (which basically works like RFID), and every time they pass through the toll booth, it bills directly to their credit card. However, Sun Pass is funded with the Florida Department of Transportation -- not private corporations. | |
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said by woody7:do you consider the roads and highways a step closer to socialism? noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. 2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory. 3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles. » dictionary.reference.com ··· ocialism | |
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Yes.
With apologies to Ike, roads and highways should be owned by their users in a cooperative, not the government, and tolls applied for use. | |
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2015-Jan-23 2:07 pm
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Better yet, the K-12 educational system. Or even public libraries. | |
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Re: AmazingWe never knew it, but must already be a bunch of socialists! Those so called right wingers are really a bunch of liberals! David | |
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said by bockbock :Better yet, the K-12 educational system. Or even public libraries. Id rather see vouchers issued to low income families so they could send their kids to private school. If I ever have children or have children in my care, they'll be going to private school; not to the government indoctrination stations. Charter schools are a joke and are basically glorified public schools. | |
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Many of these municipal broadband networks are built in communities where 56k dialup is the only wired Internet connection.
Comcast/AT&T/Verizon won't touch these areas. They want big cities like Springfield/Worcester/Boston, MA; they don't want small rural towns in Iowa. | |
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said by NoWhere :That is not accurate at all. Locally controlled community broadband is a goldmine of patronage for crooked pols who pad payrolls with relatives and campaign contributors. So, yes they would get in to the business to feather their own nests. I disagree. When electrification of the United States began in the early 30's there were many cities left out by the cherry picking electric power cartel. In this area the City of Leesburg and City of Mount Dora installed and still maintain their own power distribution systems and substations all because the power cartel gave them the finger. Residents and businesses receive a combined water, electric and trash pickup bill from those cities. If a city can maintain a 14,400 Volt power distribution system, and a water distribution system, I see no problem with a city installing and maintaining a fiber network. | |
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Re: AmazingThis. The above comment about socialism is completely laighable. Sounds like a cable company employee with their FUD again.
The people vote your community leaders in. If they feel it is a wise investment and is needed, then so be it. Don't like it, vote them out next time or vote down any public proposals.
In no way should there be laws in place like there are now. | |
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Re: Amazingsaid by Chuck_IV:Don't like it, vote them out next time or vote down any public proposals.
In no way should there be laws in place like there are now. Agreed. At the local level, your vote actually matters, as opposed to the state and national level, where you're really just wasting your time. (that said, I vote at those levels anyway, with my obligatory write-in/throwaway third party vote, just to participate in the process & lodge my protest ) | |
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If this blanket statement was even true, would it really be any different then how the companies you so blindly support, as an industry shill, work?
The hypocrisy runs rampant from your mouth. | |
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said by NoWhere :That is not accurate at all. Locally controlled community broadband is a goldmine of patronage for crooked pols who pad payrolls with relatives and campaign contributors. So, yes they would get in to the business to feather their own nests. So, it's pretty much like any sized private business that hands out work or services to those they want to promote and shuns others who they want to hurt? Couples who have sons and daughters and their spouses and all their grand children and their spouses and great grand children and it goes on forever, all of them working for the company, getting instant promotions above all other employees just because they're not that nepotism filled government. You can try to convince people that private business doesn't operate that way but it is not true because it is the nature of many humans to give benefit to those closest to them while shunning those who are not close or ideologically aligned. Family, friends, religion, hobbies, recreation.. the list is endless. | |
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2015-Jan-24 11:06 am
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Pot, meet kettle. | |
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2015-Jan-23 9:32 am
Shoulda done it earlierwhen they were still in majority. | |
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RolteC
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2015-Jan-23 11:21 am
I wish...There was a way to address the public about all that goes on in this country with these providers. No competition, laws that protect themselves and disallow others from trying to build up - no innovation is allowed pretty much.
I'm happy the President is involving himself to some degree and the same goes for these lone democrats and the FCC. I just wish more people knew that these stupid laws that only protect the largest companies out there are only there to help their monopoly and hinder growth from anywhere else. Honestly, the economy won't go down because of Title II and the killing off of these dumb state level laws, it will help establish no companies, grow others and make this a more connected nation.
Until then, it seems that a few people in congress only care about pocketing a bunch of money to help these large companies stay where they are. This does nothing to help anyone.
I don't know all the details but I do know that laws like this just shouldn't exist. I don't for one need Comcast owning everything and imposing caps, bad support, slow speeds, few channels, yearly increases and yet pocketing millions or tens of millions for each of their high ups just because. | |
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ARGONAUTHave a nice day. Premium Member join:2006-01-24 New Albany, IN |
ARGONAUT
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2015-Jan-23 2:01 pm
"Money Is Voice" said the rich men.All politicians are money pigs. | |
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Temporalwar
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2015-Jan-23 2:07 pm
YES!Can we finally get a choice in cable providers in Alabama? | |
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