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3 edits | Re: What about private wifi? said by matrix3D  :So does somebody who is running a private, secure wifi network inside their home considered a "residential hotspot owner?" I think this absolute B.S. if that's the case. That isn't the intent of the bill - to have private residences keep logs. That is a gross distortion(and interpretation) of the proposed law trotted out by those opposed to it to try and drum up support to defeat it by scaring the avg citizen.
And besides, the 2 bills introduced by Republicans(1 in Senate & 1 in the House) have NO co-sponsors, are buried in Committees controlled by Democrats, and have virtually no chance of coming out of Committee unless re-written by Democrats.
This is just the privacy lobbyists crying wolf to rev up their supporters for battles yet to come.
Rep Lamar Smith has his say:
»www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent···a16.html
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1 edit | So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? | |
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| Re: What about private wifi? said by tad2020 :So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? No, mom and pop shops will stop free WiFi. Chains like Starbucks will comply.
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I am all for taking out child porn but we must start remember why we used to claim to be a free country. We should have a right to not have our activities tracked everywhere. In the library or other public institution. Away from these locations not fine.
Also adding an unfair burden to small business is stupid and asinine. Passing a law you claim Starbucks can follow and small shops not is what is wrong with the system today and is trend we need to stop or we are all doomed to much sorrier world. | |
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| Re: What about private wifi? said by trebzon :Bad concepts lead to bad law. I am all for taking out child porn Gee this child porn must be everywhere since they have to have such laws. Funny I have been on the web for nearly 10 year and I've never encountered this child porn. Yes I'm sure it exists. I suspect in much smaller quantities than the fearmongers make it out to be. I'm prety sure the cops know the places on the web that pervs hang out. And if it takes them 2 years to bust some guy I say fire those cops and hire ones that aren't lazy and/or stupid. | |
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1 edit | Re: What about private wifi? shhh, the adults are having a discussion. quit talking out of your ass and trying to scare people from TPB. better question...how would you know that stuff exists there in the first place? unless you were looking for it, youd never know it existed. | |
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Winnebago, IL | Re: What about private wifi? Trying to scare people from TPB? I think it's more of bringing aware the issue that this crap is on major sites. Yet those administrators do nothing about. There is a thread over at Slyck about that shit, so read up bucko. | |
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| said by hacker90 :Head on over to the Piratebay, they have loads of torrents on the borderline shit and such. well I don't torent so I wouldn't know. It wouldn't surprise me a site catering to illegal downlading caters to child pornographers too. | |
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There is no borderline for child pornography. That's like saying a girl is barely legal. Durr, no. She's either legal (18+ or whatever the magic number is for your country/state), or she is younger then that age (and therefore illegal). | |
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| Re: What about private wifi? Wait, so it worked? You people are actually buying into this "child porn" OMG lets log EVERYTHING for your safety deal? If anything like this passes then i will really lose hope..
You see, this is just a plan to make sure the powerful stay in power. And it's really sad that people actually buy into this child porn thing. Everyone wonders why we got where we are today and where our constitutional rights went...oh wait never-mind no they dont i forgot. they are all idiots. this...is sick. | |
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2 edits | Re: What about private wifi? said by fatness :said by GOLFnSUN :said by tad2020 :So every Mom & Pop Coffee Shop out there that provides free wi-fi is going to have to re-invest in new equipment that costs likely 100 times their current setup? No, mom and pop shops will stop free WiFi. Chains like Starbucks will comply. What's good about that? Where did I say it was good? It must have been written in invisible ink and then I missed it when I re-read it.
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| Re: What about private wifi? said by fatness :I think it's bad, intrusive, another unnecessary expansion of the nanny state, and bad for business. So I don't misunderstand you again, what are your opinions on it? 1 - no problem with keeping 2 yrs of IP login data from ISPs & multi-location businesses.
2 - no need for private residences or 1 location(i.e. mom & pop) hotspots. Law enforcement can get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream.
3 - access to info mandated be collected, as stated in the law, is thru warrant only. I see no problem with that.
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| Re: What about private wifi? said by GOLFnSUN :said by fatness :I think it's bad, intrusive, another unnecessary expansion of the nanny state, and bad for business. So I don't misunderstand you again, what are your opinions on it? 1 - no problem with keeping 2 yrs of IP login data from ISPs & multi-location businesses. 2 - no need for private residences or 1 location(i.e. mom & pop) hotspots. Law enforcement can get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream. 3 - access to info mandated be collected, as stated in the law, is thru warrant only. I see no problem with that. Regarding #2, Law enforcement can not get what they need from the ISPs these sites are attached to upstream. The hotspot is an anonymiser. One can not know who might have been using that particular hotspot at any given time because all users are behind the same IP address.
Mind you, I'm not for it either, but a simple syslog server is all you need to log that kind of data. It would be better if the vendor were required to provide a syslog server that the routers they sold would log to, if and only if the customer checked a box that authorized that.
That places the onus on the vendors and not the end users, who can hardly be expected to understand the finer points.
Since it was the vendors who established the norm of leaving encryption off by default, and authentication off by default, it should be the vendors who are hit with the requirement to solve the problem.
I'm sure this will go over like a lead baloon. 
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| Re: What about private wifi? said by battleop :Hey that would be an economic boost for the IT sector. I'm buying HD manufacturer stock. | |
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| mom and pop places could just turn on logging in their linksys router. the law wants logs but it doesnt state how accurate.
as for private WiFi if a porn viewer managed to break your security then the law still couldnt expect you to have logs as you could state it wasnt ment for public usage.
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| Re: What about private wifi? said by hottboiinnc :linksys logs only go back so long and then they rewirte. they way the document is stated for TWO years. NOT 3hours. The Linksys router can send copies of each log entry as it is created to SNMP deamon (either at a designate IP host number or 255 [All Hosts on the LAN]) but you need to be running such a daemon and have it save it to a file on your computer. | |
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| nobody but ISPs will comply most likely, the mom and pop place on main street with free wifi likely wont even know this law is passed other then what they read in the paper and see on the news. they could say we didnt know we where an ISP too, Comcast business class is our ISP(or other provider), and be off the hook.
home owners even those with insecure APs couldnt be expected to keep logs as they could just say they didnt know how to secure it and would be instantly off the hook.
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join:2009-02-22 | No. The wi-fi hotspots referred to in the bill are public spots like Starbucks and hotels, etc. You can pull up the proposal on-line on the .gov site both for the House/Senate as well as the congressmen's sites. | |
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Orange, CA | Uhhh..... >the bills also require all hotspot owners (business or residential) to retain their Wi-Fi logs for just as long
How? It's not like every consumer router out there keeps any sort of access log, and if they do it's very limited. | |
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Even my 'old' Netgear WGT 624 has a logging function and email log ability.
There are a few issues with what they are proposing.
1. Who's going to pay for it (i.e. consumer in the end)
2. Who's going to enforce it
3. Privacy / security / integrity issues with retention and storage of data (I'm sure that larger corps like AT&T / T-Mobile already have this stuff in place and run this - doubtful on mom/pop hotspots)
4. Security in transmission of data (currently old routers like mine send over email - not wise).
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| Re: Uhhh..... If mom and pop shops want to keep WiFi they are plenty of people that would take over the option to run the network.
I used to work for an ISP that used to offer this. Several of them said "nope" we're doing just fine with our 3meg DSL line and we don't need to retain anything. Well those shops no longer off WiFi do to being hit by the RIAA for P2P. | |
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| I must apologize for my ignorance of Netgear routers my DLink does logging also but not to the extent as described by the proposed legislation. My DLink does not keep in its log WHO accessed WHAT-URL. As I read the article the only way any hotspot could comply is that you register and show proof of identity before being given the code to access the internet.
While I don't engage in any porn, I ask myself "If I were interested in porn (any not just kiddie) would I use a public hotspot?" I wouldn't be accessing it in PUBLIC where the person at the next table might catch a fleeting glance and raise an alarm. Kinda stupid looking to get caught if you ask me.
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| my guess is most mom and pop shops wont comply, simply because they wont know they have to. i doubt the newspaper or TV news will state coffee shops have to log their wifi. and you cant expect them to consult IT lawyers every new law.
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Indiana, PA | uh huh so small wi-fi "hotspots" now have to buy expensive cisco equipment just to do this? most of them around here have small linksys type routers that don't log much of anything | |
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Storage alone for 2 years worth of page visits... Crazy.
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join:2007-12-10
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| How would they enforce this ? Sounds like the Big Bother wants a legal remote login to confirm and extract data from wireless routers.
Either that or the Bill sponsers have stocks in very small hard drive manufactures. (you know to be put in said wireless hotspot devices) | |
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join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ | Re: How would they enforce this ? Or maybe they are just f'ing clueless about technology like most of the Government. | |
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| Re: How would they enforce this ? said by Eat Me :f'ing clueless I think they were going to chisel that into the doorway in our fine capital(Springfield, IL). 
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| Ahh yes Once again big government has decided that its in the best interest of the children for everyone to keep logs on who does what, even on their own network.
Will this undo the damage already done to a minor? Nope.
Will this prevent a baddie from plugging in via ethernet? Nope.
Will this be more of a burden on the ISPs and free wifi hotspot providers than it will prove helpful for whoever wants the data? Yup.
Good job. Uncle Sam will be around tommorow to install security cameras in all of your children's rooms. You know, to make sure they are safe and whatnot. | |
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| Re: Ahh yes said by SlickEnW :Once again big government has decided that its in the best interest of the children for everyone to keep logs on who does what, even on their own network. Will this undo the damage already done to a minor? Nope. Will this prevent a baddie from plugging in via ethernet? Nope. Will this be more of a burden on the ISPs and free wifi hotspot providers than it will prove helpful for whoever wants the data? Yup. Good job. Uncle Sam will be around tommorow to install security cameras in all of your children's rooms. You know, to make sure they are safe and whatnot. Will is stop TOR or a VPN through a sovereign that doesnt care? | |
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| said by SlickEnW :Good job. Uncle Sam will be around tommorow to install security cameras in all of your children's rooms. You know, to make sure they are safe and whatnot. I thought it was the whatnot they need to be protected from.
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| SAFETY? "Stopping Adults Facilitating the Exploitation of Today's Youth"
Interesting to note that the exploitation of today's youth is the precise marketing strategy of many successful legitimate businesses.
Who would dare to vote against this bill? It would be a political disaster. The ignorant constituents, of which I include myself on many issues, will not understand or even care about the technical feasibility of implementing such a measure. On the other hand, it will be extremely difficult to enforce.
In the end, it will just be another "pat-myself-on-the-back" law with little or no actual merit. | |
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| Syslog Not really a huge deal, set up syslog and you're done.
What on earth are they going to match other than a time stamp and a MAC address (unless the laptop owner is dumb enough to put their full name in the machine name field?
DELL-02010203 is going to be served with lots of search warrants, if only they can find him. | |
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Richmond, VA | Do over! The original CNET article Karl refers to has been removed from the main CNET News page and replaced by one that is less outrageous. | |
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| Flawed, flawed, flawed.. Who is going to verify that there isn't more to the evidence than is immediately apparent?!?!
It's pretty easy to infect/take control of "most" end users machines that connect to public wifi, read email, or browse infected sites. So what would stop someone from infecting a users machine, and turning it into a porn server? Distribute the content via a bot p2p net, and roving CnC...
It happens all the time, today more than what most people realize...or can imagine!
Any machine can become part of a distributed network serving content....free storage, free bandwidth, and if the content is of questionable legal status, less risk....
It has happened in the past, and will happen more in the future. How does a regular person defend themselves against this, or prove themselves innocent.
In most cases when someone is accused of child porn, the are generally viewed as guilty from the start...
"o presumption of innocence: Irish lawyer
Irish lawyer Paul Lambert has reviewed some of the Landslide cases. He says because the issue was child pornography, people were not treated as innocent until proven guilty.
»www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/03/1···314.html
"Certain police forces around the world ... would have been told by U.S. authorities, 'These are pedophiles and this is a 100-per-cent pedophile website,' " he said. "
Please read...the most troubling part is that this is only going to increase..
If just one of these stories is true, how would you feel if it were you, or someone you know?
»www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti···and=true
»blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=1901
»www.bloggernews.net/114984
»www.medhatblog.com/?p=523
Google it yourself, there are MANY more cases...
Why, because it's ASSumed that the police know technology, and how cyber crime/criminals work today?
The reality is, most do NOT. Do they know what bot networks are, how they work, and who is really responsible?
So, what police department do you know that you would trust to do PROPER forensics on cyber crimes?!?!?!
MAYBE the FBI, but maybe not....It would be up to the accused to PROVE themselves innocent and for the accused to prove it was not them....
Think about this.....
How many of you know someone who's computer was infected with a virus,trojan, malware, dialer, etc????
In today's world the purpose of infecting someone's computer is to make money, to turn the PC into a distributed system which will become a BOT to :
1. Send SPAM
2. Serve files (porn, warez, movies, MP3's, etc)
3. DDOS, attack sites/companies, or governments/countries as directed by the bot herder.....who hires his bot farm out to the highest bidder.....
4. Identity theft.
I am not condoning child porn in any manner or suggesting that everyone is innocent....however
when people were out hunting witches, they always seemed to find some......
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| More Bad Legislation This bill is yet another ill conceived bill pushed out by someone wanting to tell his/her constituents that he is fighting the war on crime. The bill will hurt small operators (e.g. mom and pop coffee houses, and B&Bs) that can't have an IT guy on staff. I'm also disturbed about the privacy rights we are giving up with this law. The bill would make all our browsing habits public knowledge and we've already learned that the telcos fork over the data any time someone flashes a badge. | |
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2 edits | This law will do nothing... Unless you legislate that every customer pay with a credit card or check and not cash, this will do nothing. There will be no way to associate a customer's session with a name unless you ban cash. And if you don't ban cash, any information collected from a cash paying customer won't help law enforcement one bit. All the folks looking for a kiddie porn fix will do is use cash.
This will just cause headaches and undue financial burdens on WIFI hotspot providers of ANY size. Of course, it will pass because NO political official wants to appear soft on "kiddie porn" regardless of whether the law actually does anything to stem the tide.
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| Re: This law will do nothing... said by NetAdmin :Unless you legislate that every customer pay with a credit card or check and not cash, this will do nothing. There will be no way to associate a customer's session with a name unless you ban cash. And if you don't ban cash, any information collected from a cash paying customer won't help law enforcement one bit. All the folks looking for a kiddie porn fix will do is use cash. This will just cause headaches and undue financial burdens on WIFI hotspot providers of ANY size. Of course, it will pass because NO political official wants to appear soft on "kiddie porn" regardless of whether the law actually does anything to stem the tide. Have you been to your local Walmart today.. You can buy Visa, AMEX gift cards upto $100 these days and you don't need a drivers license to get one.
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Hire two federal agents to examine leads.
Tell the religeous far far left the federal agents will donate to their church $50 for each child porn site URL.
This will actually be cheaper than hiring hundreds of agents to "find" the childporn site.
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| This is stupid So you'll have MAC addresses, which can be easily spoofed, of who connected to a Wi-Fi router. That won't identify the user unless he has to log in. Keep in mind, a person looking for illegal stuff will be smart enough to drive around and connect to the national free wireless ISP...linksys. | |
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Glendale, CA
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| wifi bill I run my own network from my home but it is set to private will this even apply to private networks? My isp set my settings to have public sharing off. I have a desktop a latptop, psp, and a mp3 player that has wirless radio I am the only one that uses it. | |
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whanna1
join:2003-05-18
Charlotte, NC | It doesn't matter what they say... They're all liars. This is BS and they can K my A. | |
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CalMark
join:2002-12-11
Fishers, IN
| Garbage Belt None of this will even matter if satellite and debris collisions continue exponentially. Better get educated on RF communication/networking. Just talk to a local ham radio op to get started. Once the earth gets spacelocked by debris, it will be our only alternative. | |
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