New CEOs for Adelphia by ScYcS Wednesday 08-Jan-2003 » www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/busin···=GOOGLEAdelphia Communications, the cable company laid low by the excesses of its founding family, is negotiating to hire the former top executives of AT&T Broadband to bring it out of bankruptcy. And they could enjoy an exceptionally big payday for doing it. If the terms of the employment contracts are approved at a board meeting today, Adelphia could wind up paying almost $65 million over two years to the two men, William T. Schleyer and Ronald Cooper. Mr. Schleyer's package alone could be worth nearly twice the $20 million over three years that was recently awarded to Michael D. Capellas, the new chief executive of WorldCom, which entered bankruptcy listing assets four times those of Adelphia when it collapsed.
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Murfreesboro, NC | Rocky Mountain High? A repost of a related note I mentioned in the forum before the coffee kicked in:
Rumors have been flying around for months now that Adelphia was considering relocating their headquarters to the Denver area due to the large pool of ex-AT&T talent left there after AT&T left Denver. Until now there hasn't been much in the way of official news, but according to an article in the Rocky Mountain News, it's all but a done deal.
Adelphia has been courting former AT&T exec Bill Schleyer for the CEO position, but Schleyer insists the company relocate to Denver as a condition of accepting the position.
The article goes on to state that as many as 50% of the current jobs in Coudersport could be relocated to Denver if the deal goes through.
The Adelphia board is expected to make a decision this week.
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San Diego, CA | Re: Rocky Mountain High? The only thing I don't get is paying $65 million to two employees. CEO, CFO, CIO, CTO, C these are just titles, I call it a waste of capital.
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What I wonder is if the current 'underlings' would be replaced as well... those middle managers that were onboard when things went bad. | |
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San Marcos, CA | Re: WoW! I was both encouraged and disappointed at some of these early details. I know it's hard to get an experienced team into a bankruptcy situation to turn things around.. but.. I believe the fees and payments should be more back loaded based on success. 'If' they turn it around, they will have earned significant compensation. High risk, success, high reward is a perfectly reasonable approach. I think they're getting way too much up front, especially for two guys who, though experienced in the industry, have no turn around experience.
Moving headquarters can be both a blessing and a curse. The blessing is that it may be a lot easier to remove the "current underlings" and "middle managers" that need to be replaced. The curse is that there will be a lot of good people that the company will need that can't or won't make the move.
All this is speculation of course until final decisions are announced. This kind of preliminary announcement can reek havoc with the troops and the rumor mill will run wild. I wish all the best.
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kudos:4 | Re: WoW! Cpr2k,
The unofficial details of the contracts are here
»www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/busin···r=GOOGLE
I hope that link works.
As far as the move I have found useless speculation fruitless. Far better to channel your thoughts into positive ones.
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San Marcos, CA | Re: WoW! Thanks for the link. I agree this is all speculation until a formal announcement is made and the final details are made public. I know it's an unsettling time. Best of luck.
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| | | Rumor has that with current wait times for cable TV , they will be opening a 3rd Adelphia call center ( Rather expanding on their current one ) and that will ( Alledgedly ) be the new jobs.. an 'Expansion' rather then a reduction.
Truth? Lies? I dunno.
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Franklinville, NY | Adelphia at work! Although nothing but speculation now, it surely seems like the kind of thing Adelphia would do.
$30 mil to two guys completely inexperienced in turn-arounds.....yep, that's Adelphia.
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People on this planet never fail to suprise me.
It's a miracle this ball of rock is still home to the human race (and not reverting back to "planet of the Apes").
Just incredible. This company is just not acting wisely.
I'm smelling a sucker's deal (Hint: the two men are NOT the suckers).
Well, at least someone is coming out on top... with their Golden Parachutes deployed.. right from the onset.
Think about it... if things do NOT get turned around.. DO YOU REALLY THINK that these "two guys" will give a rats backside? They will just take the $$ and enjoy (can't blame 'em, though) such for years to come.
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Incredible... still shaking my head here...
What a racket... our system is. People in Adelphia busting their backside... and these two come in for millions.
Well, if you can B.S. your way into this deal... maybe they are good enought keep Adelphia's Broadband (High-Speed) customers... BELIEVING that a "fix" (or fixes) is/are on the way!
What a joke.
Incredible!
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Roger That! I laughed..scratched head..now confus If they do what needs to be done, that is turn Adelphia back into the $10+ Billion dollar company it should be, they will have earned every nickel of the money they're to be paid. My only problem is with the front loading of so much of the package. I think they should get the industry standard for positions of this magnitude with the rest of the package paid based on success. I know many of you don't think that the industry standard salary is appropriate or that the incentives are reasonable. Market value of the talent sets the compensation levels. That plus the value of what they produce. Look at what was done with the turn around at Chrysler and IBM. Those guys earned their pay.
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Greed "Gee, let's pay some ceo 65 million for 2 years"
First of all, it's not the CEO that gets the money. It's the CEO and the COO.
"NO ONE is worth that much money"
BS. Would you pay two people 0.0065% of the value of what they salvage? I would.
"So when do these companies start paying the guys down in the pits what they deserve?"
Everyone should be paid what the free market and industry standard allows, with incentives based on performance.
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kudos:1 | Re: Greed You just don't live in the real world, your world sounds like one of money, power and high priced desires. Have you ever been poor? unemployed? without food? had to live on a budget? Do you look down on your employees and think because you are the CEO, that you are some sort of God? I stick by my idea that no man is worth that much money, too many going without in the world to do such things and have a clear conscious, at least in my belief system. I hate to break it to you, but you are in the minority of people in this country, and the world. Oh, next time, don't use BS in comments to me, I don't say that about your comments, don't do it to mine, thanks.
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Greed Let me give you a hypothetical example and see what you think.
Let's say that a guy that had committed his life to healing the critically ill came up with an idea that could save them. Let's say there is a disease that's killing 1000 people a day. Let's say it cost the US $17B dollars a year to treat these people that are dying. Let's say this guy put his personal savings and those of his family at risk to develop this idea and it turns out it works. Let's say that the technology from that idea sells for $3,000 per treatment.
Does the guy that invented this technology deserve 10% ($300) for every one that's sold? Let's say the company that was formed (and employs about 45 people) can sell 1000 of these devices a month. Does the guy that came up with the idea earn $300k a month? Let's say the guy, after putting himself through medical training (working two jobs) goes back and puts himself through business school. Let's say he gets hired as COO. Does this guy deserve the going rate for what a COO gets for running a company that makes products that he invented that saves people's lives?
Just checking...
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Greed This is not in defense of CPR, but of my own life experiences..
"You just don't live in the real world, your world sounds like one of money, power and high priced desires. Have you ever been poor? unemployed? without food? had to live on a budget?"
When I was in a situation back in 1991-1992, I realised I had a shattered roof over my head, Ripped up camoflague fatigues, 2 canteens of water, 2 mre's and 6 full magazines.
Unlike some, I realise money means little to shit in 'the real world'.
The problem with a lot of the high priced people these days is they LIVE for a pricetag. Is a Quarterback in the NFL worth some 3+ Million a year while some cop is out there protecting our cities? Or a fireman running into blazing buildings and saving our friends and families? What about our servicemen? As an NCO, I made 1100$ a month! Was less then minimum wage in my home state!
We each have different perspectives in the way we look at things. Whats worth more.. That 3million dollar a year quarterback or the 20cent .308 round I could put into Binladens head at 1200yards?
"Do you look down on your employees and think because you are the CEO, that you are some sort of God? "
Its not just the CEO. Its us on the bottom as well. We all subscribe and thithe/pay homage to vanity. We all want our broadband, our SUV's, Flat screen HD TV's... We make it so these companies can afford to pay those cats their 'due'. Even if they don't deserve it or are even close to being worth 1/10th of it.
"I stick by my idea that no man is worth that much money, too many going without in the world to do such things and have a clear conscious, at least in my belief system."
I support your belief system.. the problem is.. our own 'wants' help those get to where they are.
"I hate to break it to you, but you are in the minority of people in this country, and the world."
Not really. Too many people are 'All about gettin mine.. to hell with the next person'. Greed is in EVERYONE.. You and I as well. We both have wants. We might not want what that Quarterback or CEO is getting, but we might be a tad bit enviouse of what they do have.
I need to add something from your first post...
"So when do these companies start paying the guys down in the pits what they deserve? "
To be honest.. I think Adelphia has been QUITE generouse in what they pay. I sometimes believe they have overpaid us and helped contribute to their own financial disaster.
I cant post what Adelphia pays. I can say in most cases, its better then double the states minimum wage. They offer cola and bonus programs as well. Its NOT at all shabby. I drive quite a nice truck. Its a 99 and its paid off. I have an 03 on order.. I have my vanity as well ( I love my trucks ). I know a lot of people that have never been able to afford a new vehical..
Just my point of view...
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Greed Well said Jack.
What people sometimes forget is that those who have professional success work very hard for it. Like you, I served my country. My experience was as a combat corpsman doing SAR for the Air Force in Vietnam. My drive and ambition when I was discharged was not simply to make money, but to grow my medical skills. As it turned out, my efforts produced skills that have value. As my career blossomed, in addition to my regular responsibilities, I donated my time and talent to provide care to those who could not pay. I continue to donate time and money to those less fortunate. I will not apologize for my success. I worked hard, took risks and produced "value". I think there is a tendency by some to resent successful people. There are those for whom it's easier to tear down someone than to build up oneself. It's easy to say successful people had it all given to them or they didn't earn it or they don't deserve it. The beauty and wonder of the American way and the American dream is that it is available to everyone. It is the drive, risk, success and reward that make the American system work. Free market forces provide the checks and balances. Sure it's messy and not always equitable, but for the most part it works very well. Clearly it works better than any other system in the world.
Wealth (capitol) is not created out of thin air. It is created by those who dream and who work hard to make their dream a reality. As a consequence, jobs are created. As a consequence, charities can be supported. As a consequence, opportunities are provided to others. Money isn't the goal, it's the byproduct of hard work and a tool to be used to benefit yourself and others.
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| | | | | | | | Re: Greed "My experience was as a combat corpsman doing SAR for the Air Force in Vietnam. "
Thats one Job I could NEVER voulenteer to do. I don't think I could be forced to do it. | |
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Greed One of the good things about pulling pilots out of the drink or the bush, is that I never had to buy my own beer 
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kudos:4 | Ilovela was not thinking when he posted
"NO ONE is worth that much money."
Bull S***. At the moment the company is worth diddly squat. If these two Gentleman can turn it around and put it back on its feet then they deserve the monetary rewards on offer. If they do not then they will see not very much of the 65 million. Did you read the link I posted?
"So when do these companies start paying the guys down in the pits what they deserve? Not only that, but the company is in bankruptcy, can you say stupid."
Firstly without a pit no one has any job do they? I am "down in the pit" and I am entirely happy with my renumeration and benefits thank you. Granted I am sure I could earn more in a metropolitan area but I like it here and I hope the two if employed are capable of turning this ship around. I have faith.
Hob
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kudos:4 | Re: Greed Ilovela squealed
"I in no way ripped into anybody, nor did I use abusive or coarse language, yet there are those in here who do this to me. I have my opinions, you have yours, if you are so certain your ideas are right, why do you feel the need to rip into me?"
Get Real. Disguising the word Bull S*** is hardly ripping into you. Neither do I consider it Coarse and abusive language, I hear far worse every day.
"The lack of respect in here never ceases to amaze me."
You have to earn respect...you can't just demand it.
"Mods, maybe we should lock this thread if people are going to act like little kids."
The only person acting like a little kid is you.
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San Marcos, CA | "You just don't live in the real world, your world sounds like one of money, power and high priced desires. Have you ever been poor? unemployed? without food? had to live on a budget? Do you look down on your employees and think because you are the CEO, that you are some sort of God? I stick by my idea that no man is worth that much money, too many going without in the world to do such things and have a clear conscious, at least in my belief system. I hate to break it to you, but you are in the minority of people in this country, and the world."
"Isn't it funny, I in no way ripped into anybody..."
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Sharon, PA | Anyway.... Pings up, Workers laid off, towns upset
Paying $60 million for two guys in suits to continue buildng golf courses?
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Surely folks like Hob, Jackghost, MacLeech... could probable get done (by deligating...tasks) and heck... how about we pay you each 1 million bucks to do it?
I just saved Adelphia millions... and proved that having 60+ million IS enough to fix the triangle problem!
(leaves what...2 million.. donate to say.. HIRING BACK THE LAID OFF 57 WORKERS!)
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| | | | Re: Anyway.... Pings up, Workers laid off, towns upset Its a good analogy Web, But.. Myself, Mac and Hob havent a Clue on how to properly run the Bussiness side of Adelphia. We could probably get the plants all running top notch and have the TV side offering more channels then whats currently there.. but it would be managed ( probably ) worse then the last crew.
I do NOT think anyone is worth the 60 Million thats feesable for these 2 gentleman to attaine. As long as I'm not willing to step up to that plate, I shouldn't bitch or complain about it.
I'd never have someone do something I havent done or am not willing to do myself. Delegating authority is a great idea, but it can only go as far as from what the person delegating has in experience.
What really surprises myself and others is Erkie is a banker ( Interm CEO ). He knows the numbers and the routines.. why doesn't he just step up to the plate and work things out instead of going outside the company?
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kudos:4 | Re: Anyway.... Pings up, Workers laid off, towns upset Jacks Ghost informed the world
"Myself, Mac and Hob havent a Clue on how to properly run the Bussiness side of Adelphia."
Agreed. Not even worth thinking about, This is not a Mom and Pops ISP or a local town Community Antena farm we are talking about here. This is a multi Billion Dollar industry, a company that serves millions. The people at the top have to be some of the best in the field.
"I do NOT think anyone is worth the 60 Million thats feesable for these 2 gentleman to attaine. As long as I'm not willing to step up to that plate, I shouldn't bitch or complain about it."
I disagree completely. The Gentleman's basic wage looks to be about the industry standard. The figures that everyone has jumped on are only attainable if the companies value reaches certain amounts. As CPR2k pointed out the percentage of what they receive is miniscule compared to the total value. One point that has not surfaced during these discussions is that if Adelphia decided to sell off areas of their franchise this would reduce the value of the company and thus impact the bonus payments. Thats a strong incentive to keep the company together.
"What really surprises myself and others is Erkie is a banker ( Interm CEO ). He knows the numbers and the routines.. why doesn't he just step up to the plate and work things out instead of going outside the company?"
It does not surprise me at all. He has stated publicly that he wanted to find someone who knew about cable operations, that he was retired and did not want to take on a task like this at this stage of his life. I would assume he will stay on the board. This company does not need a banker at the helm, it needs people with experience of running a large cable ship. A new broom sweeps clean, people have already associated Erkie with the old management, it needs a fresh start.
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| | | | | | Re: Anyway.... Pings up, Workers laid off, towns upset " A new broom sweeps clean, people have already associated Erkie with the old management, it needs a fresh start."
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San Marcos, CA | Jack wrote:
"What really surprises myself and others is Erkie is a banker ( Interm CEO ). He knows the numbers and the routines.. why doesn't he just step up to the plate and work things out instead of going outside the company?
Maby CPR can answer that one.."
And Hob replied:
"It does not surprise me at all. He has stated publicly that he wanted to find someone who knew about cable operations, that he was retired and did not want to take on a task like this at this stage of his life. I would assume he will stay on the board. This company does not need a banker at the helm, it needs people with experience of running a large cable ship. A new broom sweeps clean, people have already associated Erkie with the old management, it needs a fresh start."
Hob got it just right. In order for investors to begin to regain confidence in the company, new management will need to have industry specific experience. The money guys (with the sharp pencils and green visors) are very necessary and will have a say in how things unfold. But the CEO and OPs have to understand the business. Notice that the CEO brought his own COO with him. I've mentioned before that OPs is where the game is won or lost. Clearly the new CEO has an experienced operations guy he trusts and respects. This sort of relationship between the two key players in a company is critical to success. Hob was also correct in pointing out the broom sweeping clean. Even if it's only psychological, when a turn around takes place, replacing senior management is an important step in regaining the confidence of investors and staff.
There are actual formulae used to decide what a turn around specialist gets. It's typically based on the value of the asset as risk and to be regained. Adelphia is an enormous business which is what makes the stakes so high. It's also what makes the compensation high. It's all relative and proportional.
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Sharon, PA |  Re: Anyway.... Pings up, Workers laid off, towns upset
But, $60 million IS 60 million. Industry Standard or not!
I would say NO more than $5 million for each at the start. Then every Quarter (AFTER THEY SHOW NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT) they can see more cash and/or stock (what.. they won't take stock? Then I'm very skeptical).
Like any other option... SOME monies up front.. to get the "show" started.. the usually some in the "middle" then balloon payment at the end (or equal amount spread out).
Adelphia.. sounds like they need a good "agent" ;-D
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kudos:4 | Re: Anyway.... Pings up, Workers laid off, towns upset web continued his blinkered approach
"I would say NO more than $5 million for each at the start."
DID YOU read the link I posted?
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San Marcos, CA | Would you take a cut in pay while at the same time take a job that puts your career at risk? Why would anybody do that?
People get so hung up on the dollars. I know there are those that think nobody can earn that amount of money. I can assure you that many people not only make that much, but earn it. I also understand that people that have not worked at this level can't relate to it. But that doesn't excuse the narrow minded, uninformed bias against some of the best and brightest talent in the world I've read in this forum. My suggestion is that more and better education regarding macroeconomics and corporate business is in order. Many of the comments by some here show nothing more than an emotional reaction to issues they can't even grasp, let alone understand.
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Sharon, PA |  Re: Anyway.... Pings up, Workers laid off, towns upset
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Life is not without risk... the biggest rewards are reamed from taking risks. But, I do not operate at "this level" you speak of... so I surely am clueless.
What I do see.. is that these gents will be thinking "so if I tank this one...I'll have more money than even my wife can spend in a life time" ... "...hey everyone knew this company was on the verge of going under...what do I have to loose? And they are willing to pay me top dollar? LMAO.. they must be crazy!"
Maybe the "smart IVY League players" here, really do know "macroeconomics" and how to "play the game."
Sure looks that way.
For them... it's a win/win situation.
Even at $5 million (then incrementing up from there as they "produce" satisfactory results or better)...
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San Marcos, CA | Re: Anyway.... Pings up, Workers laid off, towns upset "...so I surely am clueless."
That is the very first thing I have heard you say that I understand and agree with.
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Coudersport, PA | Those guys won't budge unless somebody puts some major money on the table...If they do take over...I can imagine some of the ship moving to Denver...but not all of it...I really don't think it is going to benefit the people who lost their jobs in the merger...which that is another sad story in itself...
It is going to be quite interesting to say the least...Adelphia has to do something...the cards are on the table and we are showing the 10 jack queen and king...all we need is an ace in the hole...I am not even sure what jobs they are going to be moving...if anything comes of this at all...the rumor has been around the tac for quite some time now...but I guess the decision will come from those higher up...and we'll just sit back and take our small piece of the corporate pie in the pits until then... | |
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Sharon, PA | Its a good analogy Web, But.. Myself, Mac and Hob havent a Clue on how to properly run the Bussiness side of Adelphia.
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Surely though you three can do a better job than what's taking place now?
Dare I ask, how much worse can it get? (*winces)
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Sharon, PA | Oh and another thing... ;-) Do these two chaps... know what LATENCY?
If not... don't waste ONE PENNY on them!
Many, Many, Many aspects of Online Programs (chat, file transfer, gaming, etc.. etc..) excell (or, just have) LOW LATENCY.
Of course this forum's patrons knew that...
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