2 recommendations | Studios... are content. Netflix is making its own. Eventually, Netflix will be new HBO (they don't own the pipes, they own the content). And if Netflix can garner emmys, they can start attracting talent that will make their shows more "desirable". Expect to see more lobbying soon from Hastings...
As for Fox. Well, its all about who will pay more. If comcast thinks it can retain future cord cutters with upping the supply of content, expect more commercials and higher monthly costs because, who will pay for all that content? Certainly not Comcast, but you, the viewer.
For every license that expires, another comes along. I mean, all those that left netflix because of the $1 increase and "quikster" fail, how many do you think are back?
Between PSN store titles, OTAHD, AppleTV, AmazonPrime, Hulu+, Xbox Video, Crackle, CrunchyRoll, MLB/sports apps... seems there is MORE choice than ever to cut cord.
I've found that not being a "me-first" and watercooler gossiper has allowed me considerable savings and enjoying content I never thought I would.
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 | | | Re: Studios... If Netflix wants to be like HBO, then they will need to be willing to spend money on making series like HBO. Currently they are not. | |
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Bel Air, MD | Re: Studios... It depends. Sometimes, it's not about the money. With Netflix is taking chances on some original series that were passed by the other networks because of control, you can start to see Netflix be the oasis of unfiltered content. My only concern is that Netflix starts to concentrate more of their time on original programming and forgets about their main business model. | |
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3 recommendations | Exclusive Deals Are what's going to keep streaming from being a viable option.
A market that is too fragmented is not consumer friendly.
People don't want to subscribe to 3 or 4 different services just to watch the content they like. | |
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| Re: Exclusive Deals This is the same old tired content "fracture". They purposely hold back content to attempt to make it more valuable then it actually is to eventually sign with others making more $$$. Do you think that Fox would only want to address VOD (a measly 1% of streaming) on ONE vendor (Comcast). It wouldn't be a stretch for Comcast to offer their VoD catalog to everyone, except who is going to know they are?
I think 80% or more of the marketing crap I get from Verizon is on VoD. They could save a lot of paper on me, because I have a CableCard and can't get their VoD, which is no loss at all.
This is just more of the same old story, and if they want to hold it back, people will just turn to pirating again. They know all of this.
@buzz - The "curating" or aggregating of content will become much more important as these deals are not uniform, so I think you will see search engines of companies emerge that do this. They will need to figure out the transaction model, because what good is subscribing to 10 OTT vendors for $8 if you are still paying $80. | |
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|  newviewEx .. Ex .. ExactlyPremium
join:2001-10-01
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kudos:1 | said by buzz_4_20:People don't want to subscribe to 3 or 4 different services just to watch the content they like.
I'll happily subscribe to 3 or 4 CHEAP services to get the content I want to watch if it means NOT subscribing to the highest tier of service from EXPENSIVE cable or satellite to get the content I want to watch, which is the current business model. | |
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| | | | Re: Exclusive Deals But what are the chances you have 1 TV connected device that would support all of them VIA a single remote?
consumers follow the path of least resistance too. For some money is the hold up, for others its how hard it is to use. | |
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| | | | | Re: Exclusive Deals Fairly good if you have a Roku. | |
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join:2001-10-01
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kudos:1 | Re: Exclusive Deals And there would be many more choices other than just Roku if and when buying CONTENT rather than buying a TV Service like cable or satellite becomes more prevalent. | |
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| | There is life out there... outside of dumb entertainment To be honest I've found myself watching all these stupid shows and movies way less then it was 5-7 years ago. I don't need that much content 99.99% of which is $hit anyway. So... all these profit battles really do not concern me. | |
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2 recommendations | Dear Comcast (And Fox) I don't care how many media sources you tie up, Comcast: I am not signing up for your expensive legacy cable TV. Period. We've never had it. It's exceedingly unlikely we ever will. (That's as close as I usually come to saying "never.")
And Fox? Go ahead: Wire yourself to a dying model. See what happens.
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| For those without Comcast? Video on Demand implementations by cable companies are usually unspeakably terrible. The last time I had it was with Comcast, and I hated it.
I'm in a different area without Comcast, so should Fox go this route I simply would not be able to access their content. If Fox is willing to ignore huge swaths of potential customers, then good luck to them. I think it is a losing strategy. | |
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West Tenness | More newer movies I don't give to shits about originals series. for that matter I don't care about old TV shows either. To me Netflix is movies and Netflix should have been focusing it's resources beating the likes of HBO, Showtime ETC to the punch. | |
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| | | Re: More newer movies Netflix seems to have a lot of movies but won't make them available for streaming. Everything I search for says it's only available on DVD! They should make the ones they have available! | |
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| | | | Re: More newer movies They would love to, problem is deals like the above prevent this from happening. | |
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| | | | Streaming a particular movie requires permission from the content owner, which is what these deals are all about. Netflix gets into a contract with the content owner to allow them access to a catalog of content. DVD by mail is different as they are actually buying the physical copy of the movie and renting it to a customer. | |
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| | | | | Re: More newer movies There is a huge difference since they have to get permission to stream but you, I, our mothers or Netflix can go buy physical DVD's and rent/sell them all we want and don't need to get anyone's permission to do so. | |
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| | | | | | Re: More newer movies Yes they do need permission to rent, it's built into the cost of the dvd they buy to rent. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: More newer movies Please dont speak of something you have no clue about.
Nobody needs to get anyone's permission to go down to Walmart and buy 5 of every movie they have and then start a rental business. They can even negotiate with Walmart to get a better price than retail and then sell them at whatever price they can make money on. The ONLY reason they enter into contracts is because they are able to get the movies cheaper up front thus they begin making money off of movies faster.
Streaming is a whole other ball of wax and does require permission as there is no physical goods exchanging hands and one file is able to serve many people. | |
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| Re: More newer movies Here ya go Skippy !
Copyright law at 17 U.S.C. Section 106(3) provides that the owner of a copyright has the exclusive right "to distribute copies ... of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.'
Sorry, your wrong.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: More newer movies You are ignoring 2 very important things:
1.) The above addresses the copyright holders distribution/reproduction rights and only their distribution/reproduction rights.
2.) You are ignoring the first-sale doctrine which clarifies that once you, I or a video store has lawfully obtained a copy (purchase or receive as a gift or donation) we can do what we want with it as long as we do not make copies (partial or whole, outside of the exceptions) that would violate their distribution/reproduction rights.
But look, I can cut and paste too!
The first-sale doctrine creates a basic exception to the copyright holder's distribution right. Once the work is lawfully sold or even transferred gratuitously, the copyright owner's interest in the material object in which the copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. The owner of the material object can then dispose of it as he sees fit. Thus, one who buys a copy of a book is entitled to resell it, rent it, give it away, or destroy it. However, the owner of the copy of the book will not be able to make new copies of the book because the first-sale doctrine does not limit copyright owner's reproduction right. The rationale of the doctrine is to prevent the copyright owner from restraining the free alienability of goods. | |
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| Re: More newer movies ok then Im guessing you have missed all the law suits over this at one point. There is licensing issues with renting , ask netflix how they deal with it.
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join:2009-07-06
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kudos:1 | Bummer. I use Netflix almost exclusively for TV series, and that's where the value lies for everyone I know. If they take away the TV content I want to see I will have little reason to subscribe. Streaming platforms such as Amazon, XBL or PSN are too expensive to watch a series, so they will not get my business at all. I won't subscribe to multiple monthly products, or pay for a service that uses ads. I'll just spend my money elsewhere.
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| | | Re: Bummer. Exactly.
Neflix realizes series TV is where it has a lot of value. Look at the Emmys, not only did they win one, but they got serious credit from Vince Gilligan for keeping Breaking Bad going.
AMC has seen the value of getting their shows on Netflix. It has done wonders for their series ratings. Other series content providers are starting to see it too. Netflix not only benefits them for the licensing fees, but it also benefits their continuing series ratings.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure who's making the decisions at Fox, but once again, they are clueless. Leaving things exclusive to Comcast will seriously limit who can see it and not help the series ratings nearly as much as a much more poular Netflix can. | |
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|  TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
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| Now I understand I now have a LG smart TV, Apple TV,and of course have iTunes, subscribe to Crunchyroll, Netflix, Amazon Prime, I hardly watch what Dish Network offers me. I called them up to see about upgrading to their HD service and even though the equipment and setup is free plus the small additional cost of the HD channels I am still not sure if I am going to bother. My VPN connection to the UK and Australia gives me the documentary programing they have in HD much of the time. Many of these documentaries air several years later edited into an unrecognizable form on The Discover Group, the History Channels, and NatGeo. I am wondering more and more why I am paying what I do for Dish Network
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| streaming is the future.. the on demand streaming source of video is the future. nowadays not even pirates don't necessarily want to download and warehouse video content. they'd rather stream the content (and the bits become disposable upon cache flushing). cable companies are in trouble if they think they can use licensing to squeeze out companies who sell streaming content. if they're lucky they can compete for the same terms as Netflix and evolve their business models.
Netflix survived the thumping they got from physical media service tweaking and are not going away. IMO, for plenty of consumers this is the last straw before piracy.. if Netflix disappears, expect plenty MORE people to begin pirating and not buying content licenses at all, not a single cents worth. Think of Netflix as the non tech-savvy video version of Napster if it were a subscription service. If the MPAA/copyright industry screw this one up, they will lose plenty of paying customers because the poor cable industry is grinding down their subscribership with higher prices. With all the extra money rolling in from advertising, they should be paying you to take the service-- it's probably over a billion dollar revenue source by now.. seeing that most OTA and cable companies have ownership in most of the content (vertical integration portfolio). | |
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| TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
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| Re: streaming is the future.. the only thing that is keeping State side OTA and cable/satellite going is geographical content restrictions. If things where opened up so a person could stream shows from everywhere across the planet the programing mafia in the US would have a wooden stake pounded into their hearts. Crunchyroll is starting to do something like this. They started out as a bit-torrent site for anime. Of course this brought the wrath of the CR holders State side. Instead of folding Crunchyroll did an end run they sign direct agreements with Japanese content providers for their programing. They even have programing that streams on Crunchyroll the same time it airs in Japan. It is a real treat to watch the latest episodes of Naruto Shippuden. they are still re-running season 2 on the Cartoon channel and Naruto is up to season 14 in Japan.
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1 edit | Fragmentation could wreck things for both sides. The worse thing that can happen to online streaming is fragmentation. The benefit of Netflix (thus far) is that they've been able to negotiate deals with a variety of movie/tv content owners so they have a wide array of content for people to watch.
If those content owners start pulling away for exclusive contracts and it splits up who has the rights to what, they'll completely obliterate services like netflix.
People don't want to buy 4 different subscriptions to get content from the 4 biggest media companies. They also don't want to pay the ever increasing cable bill to get it.
I think netflix loses in this. Consumers lose and the content owners will lose. If you start splitting up the content people will shift back to piracy because piracy isn't fragmented.
I think the only winners are the cableco's for making streaming options less attractive. | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | Was Considering It Now that summer is over and the nights are longer, I was thinking of signing up for Netflix to use on my Apple TV. However, browsing their catalog, I see a lot of old shows I would like to watch are not there. Plus I am really not interested in most new programming. While I don't currently watch anything on Fox, there is always the possibility I might.
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| | | Re: Was Considering It Netflix's original programming is worth it. House of Cards is on par production wise with HBO. You will always find something to watch. $8/month is nothing compared to cable/sat price gouging for content that isn't even on-demand. | |
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| | after watching the emmys I have to say that if those are the types of shows getting awards, soon the only people watching the idiot box will in fact be just idiots. The programming is very uninspired when nominees include such crap as The Voice; I think the only reason they can get one is due to the total lack of decent programming out there. I was shocked House of Cards didn't get one, but then, look who the Emmys are made for: Television. Netflix is over the net. Just more cable BS.
The one good thing about Netflix is that you can watch when you want to, and not just on a specific timeslot. That old mule has to give it up. Cable companies have been competing for years by putting their shows on the same slot as other popular shows so they can get you to watch the advertising, since it's the advertising that is the whole point of television (which is why it should be free! to consumers). Netflix totally upsets that, so no wonder they want to 86 it. | |
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Netflix will be crushed eventually.... The studios have the content, and therefore Netflix's future, in their hands..... all they have to do is squeeze and Netflix is doomed.... which is a very bad thing for us, as consumers.
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1 recommendation | But Netflix... Is what I use exclusively for TV Shows. Without Netflix I would have never gotten into so many new good shows (as well as some pretty good old ones). I only ever watch TV when it's live sports. Comcast also has really crap On Demand... I mean the selection is pretty good but half the time it screws up or doesn't work. | |
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| TransmasterDon't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY Reviews:
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1 recommendation | Re: But Netflix... The nice thing about Netflix is you can watch an entire series without the weekly breaks. I just finished watching Terranova I watched a couple of episodes when it first came out and for some reason stopped watching it. Well now I was able to watch this whole series which started out good and rapidly turned into a steaming pile of cow manure. All at once is a whole lot better then watching an episodic turd drop each week. 
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| | At&t should kill off Screen Pack and just add a Netflix app Let Netflix users log in to their Netflix account from At&t's STB's and watch and add what they want. | |
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join:2008-05-07
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Comcast go fuck yourself (I think that says it clearly eh) I would be upset if Netflix has troubles eh, but, I think someone needs to tell Comcast, in the event that Netflix were to disappear, I'd go back to plan A which is not cable. I'd download ALL my needs instead.
Comcast, read this any way you like, fuck off, and take your overly self important, entirely worthless, fucking piece of shit style of service and cram it up your ass.
I will watch what I want, when I want and pay a reasonable sum for everything (like I do with Netflix) or I will simply TAKE what I want, all of it and not give a fucking cent.
I sure ain't going back to cable. So yeah, while in my case, it isn't 'Comcast', we all know that in the context of this conversation, it is not relevant the name of any specific cable provider, I couldn't care less.
Make any deals you can, don't expect me to care.
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join:2001-02-10
White City, OR | Avoid streaming. Now its to bad they haven't figured out some method to bypass the streaming vs DVD thing. Like implement a "Virtual DVD" technically it would be identical to stream but you would be limited to access only 1 DVD title in a three day period (1 day to ship to you, 1 day to watch, 1 day to return). You could argue that it only takes 2 days to receive, watch and return the DVD. So effectively the same control the content providers have now is retained.
Now the question is could they legally avoid this being classified as "streaming" if the device downloaded the entire DVD content before allowing you to watch it. Granted my TV probably wont be able to do this but my phone, PC, iPad any game device probably could. Even a 4GB DVD could be downloaded to any of those devices wait for you to watch it then remove it. Surely they could figure out some way to encrypt the file so only their player could view it. Encryption keys uniquely generated for each download, only transmitted to the viewer when played and not stored on the local device.
I would sign back up for DVDs if they could do it.
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| Ughhh Dear Comcast/Xfinity and all your other entity names you have - and FOX,
Rather than trying to own the entertainment world by gobbling up this, that and the other thing (NBC Universal, home security, phone "service") how about this:
CONCENTRATE ON DOING ONE OR TWO THINGS WELL !!! That means a quality product and at least half-way decent support staff.
And for FOX -- if you want better viewership, start airing programs geared towards people over the age of 20. Old people watlch TV and they spend money.
Oh well, there's always the original entertainment media ... BOOKS. | |
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