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| What's with the Dems? Is it just me or does anyone else think its hilarious to see Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden whoring themselves to the only "big business" that donates more to Dems? Whatever happened to the interests of the common man? hypocrites.
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | Maybe they're learning to compete with the Republicans? | |
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| Siljanus
join:2000-12-13
Chevy Chase, MD
| Call me naive, but... "American innovation and creativity need to be protected by our government, just like our personal property, our homes and (our) streets need protection,"
When listening to mainstream radio or catching a video on MTV (when they play videos), terms like "innovation" and "creativity" are the furthest thing from my mind. Never understood why the gov feels the need to protect mediocrity. | |
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI | Re: Call me naive, but... | |
| | vadare
join:2001-11-13
Cleveland, OH
| said by Siljanus:
"American innovation and creativity need to be protected by our government, just like our personal property, our homes and (our) streets need protection,"
If the federal government values creativity so much, why did they cut funding to the National Endowment for the Arts? | |
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Turdicus Sr
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Huntsville, AL
| Arrrrrrr Every time I hear the term "pirates" I just think about guys with a peg leg and eye patch sitting at a computer saying, "AAAARRRRR give me your software & MP3's mate or ye shall be forced to walk the plank. AARRRR." With that said and out of the way, "American innovation and creativity need to be protected by our government, just like our personal property, our homes and (our) streets need protection," said Senator Biden. I agree with the part about the homes and streets, but I don't agree with them on the government needing to protect innovation. Most of the bills being proposed end up hurting the rest of the economy and only helping the people that produce the product.
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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Cleveland, OH
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| Re: Arrrrrrr said by KZfra80:
Most of the bills being proposed end up hurting the rest of the economy and only helping the people that produce the product.
If you could call it Product.I call it crap!!!!Down with the bubble gum Music  | |
| | | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| Re: Arrrrrrr If you could call it Product.I call it crap!!!!Down with the bubble gum Music
As long as there are people that think mtv is the only source of music or that the only way to get and enjoy music is to pay 20 bucks for it, there will be bubble-gum music. | |
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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Cleveland, OH
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| Re: Arrrrrrr said by jj nobody:
As long as there are people that think mtv is the only source of music or that the only way to get and enjoy music is to pay 20 bucks for it, there will be bubble-gum music.
Yea i know its sad  Its like they put a blind fold on the people. | |
| | | | | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| Re: Arrrrrrr Yea i know its sad Its like they put a blind fold on the people.
The RIAA and even the MPAA knows that most people will spend the 20 bucks for the cd, or the 7 bucks for the movie. There are still tons of people on dial-up and those people don't want to sit for a couple hours downloading the album when they can go to the store and pay for it... those are the people that generally feel ripped off when they listen to the album in it's entirity and find out that the song that they play on the radio 30 times a day is the only good song on the radio. In the late 80's, that's exactly what I got sick of. Buying a tape that was 12 bucks for one song that I was bored of in a week. It's really shame that history constantly repeats itself in the record and movie industry but that's how they make their money and that's how they thrive. | |
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Turdicus Sr
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Huntsville, AL | Re: Arrrrrrr What really sucked was having to fast-forward and rewind to get to that one damn song.
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stet
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Warren, MI | If you call it crap then why do you even bother with it? If you truly believe that it's crap then it's not even worth your time to watch/listen to.
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| | | | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| Re: Arrrrrrr If you call it crap then why do you even bother with it? If you truly believe that it's crap then it's not even worth your time to watch/listen to.
Well, first of all I didn't call it crap... everyone's entitled to their own personal or public opinion about what makes their ears sing... that's what makes the world go round... different strokes for different folks.
I'm also glad you brought up your second point. you're exactly right... I do believe that mainstream music today and for the greater part of 15 years has taken a huge gigantic swan dive into the virtual auditory toilet otherwise known as the RIAA musical landfill. The RIAA at this point simply does not care about who or what they release. I believe that most of the disturbing ugly musical dribble that they have released for that same period of time they simply don't care about. All they see is at least they'll get a few hundred thousand sales out of it and that'll line their pockets until christmas.
Based on that, and for the 15 years I mentioned above, I have completely turned my back on the music industry, (and lately I've been heading against the movie industry as well)... I now listen to independent music funded, arranged, mixed, and produced by independent artists that don't seem to care about how many releases they sell or how they can encrypt their release so pirates can't boot it. They're life-blood is having people listen to their music and what they have to say... therefore, they might not put as much time or money into the release, but they put more heart, soul, and effort into their release. For that, I believe that that's what music was, is, and should be. | |
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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Cleveland, OH
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| Re: Arrrrrrr said by jj nobody:
If you call it crap then why do you even bother with it? If you truly believe that it's crap then it's not even worth your time to watch/listen to.
Well, first of all I didn't call it crap... everyone's entitled to their own personal or public opinion about what makes their ears sing... that's what makes the world go round... different strokes for different folks.
I'm also glad you brought up your second point. you're exactly right... I do believe that mainstream music today and for the greater part of 15 years has taken a huge gigantic swan dive into the virtual auditory toilet otherwise known as the RIAA musical landfill. The RIAA at this point simply does not care about who or what they release. I believe that most of the disturbing ugly musical dribble that they have released for that same period of time they simply don't care about. All they see is at least they'll get a few hundred thousand sales out of it and that'll line their pockets until christmas.
Based on that, and for the 15 years I mentioned above, I have completely turned my back on the music industry, (and lately I've been heading against the movie industry as well)... I now listen to independent music funded, arranged, mixed, and produced by independent artists that don't seem to care about how many releases they sell or how they can encrypt their release so pirates can't boot it. They're life-blood is having people listen to their music and what they have to say... therefore, they might not put as much time or money into the release, but they put more heart, soul, and effort into their release. For that, I believe that that's what music was, is, and should be.
You Hit it right on the nose jj.Thats almost to a tee my take on the whole deal.There are 100's of bands(with 4 or more Cd's out) out there doing there own cd's and promoting themself's.Those Bands IMHO can and would blow away anything the record industry could bring out(Music wise)!!!!
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| | | | | | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| Re: Arrrrrrr You Hit it right on the nose jj.Thats almost to a tee my take on the whole deal.There are 100's of bands(with 4 or more Cd's out) out there doing there own cd's and promoting themself's.Those Bands IMHO can and would blow away anything the record industry could bring out(Music wise)!!!!
Jigsaw, you get a thumbs up for that comment... I'm glad we feel the same way about this... and hopefully most of the other people that are contributing to this discussion, or at least reading it. The mainstream record culture practically begs alot of indie artists to sign a contract because of simply this - most music that you hear now on the radio, the style, creativity, difference (nirvana, limp bizkit, green day, downset, just to name a few), those styles of music were started years ago in the underground by indie artists that simply didn't want to sound like what was on the radio. Now it's ironic that the RIAA is bending their backs trying to sign these artists with different musical styles.
Why is the RIAA doing this? Why are they signing bands that themselves have turned their backs on the record industry? Simply stated, because the RIAA needs them... they won't admit it, but they need bands that shake and liven things up in their multi-billion dollar corporation. They simply use indie artists to fuel their company for a few more years. Then what do they do? Screw them over and grab a band that will duplicate what unique style they did and play it on the radio 20 times a day. That, in my opinion, my friend, is selling the band, not selling the product. I'll give you a couple examples...
Remember what happened to the goo goo dolls???? How they got screwed?
Remember the indie band helmet?? Basically pioneered the hard rock movement after nirvana passed in '94. Now, can you count on both hands how many bands are doing that same exact style today... the number is basically infinite. Helmet brought it from the underground into the mainstream. Where is that band today? Well, after the RIAA screwed them out of their tour dates and the basically were even worse off financially than when they were indie, they broke up.
If you're a musician, the RIAA is a brick wall... there's nothing higher, nowhere else to go. They stiffle you're creativity. Why not stay indie? The possibilities are endless
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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| Re: Arrrrrrr Well to make a long story short The music i like the record industry deems as too long and to Complex(Prog) for radio.Put it this way if you say you are a prog band 90% of the time you will be shunned by the record company's.But this is were the indi's come in Give em a fare pay and they can pretty much do whatever they want. | |
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join:2001-11-30
| Ya know, that can be annoying. Listening to the radio, thinking a good song is comming up, and about 15 secs into it, it turns out to be some cheap immitation of the song you were thinking (that was on the radio some 10+ years ago). I usually end up changing the station then, after the disappointment of thinking it was going to be something I did like, but nooooo... Sometimes, some of the stuff that gets released today isn't the most original either, nor as enjoyable to listen to as the original song that was riped... | |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| These independent artists are the ones I support.
They don't have the problem of one good song on a disk.
look at Steve Roach, Michael Stearns, Aeoliah, etc.
Granted these are far from mainstream artists but the
point is they control their music from beginning to
end, and it shows. Listen to Michael Stearns soundtrack
from documentary "The Mystery of Chaco Canyon", called
The Middle of Time, truly one of the most spritual recording in the New Age genra. If you are curious go to
»www.michaelstearns.com you can listen to samples of his recordings on RealAudio. These recording come from the
artist soul and not some turd smoking record producer | |
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Jigsaw
Stardust We Are
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Cleveland, OH | said by stet:
If you call it crap then why do you even bother with it? If you truly believe that it's crap then it's not even worth your time to watch/listen to.
I don't bother with it!!Nuff said | |
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stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| Actually promoting the purchase of media instead of pirating it helps the economy, it doesn't hurt it. And, what's wrong with helping the people that produce the product (that you seem to enjoy)? If they don't get money for their product, why should they continue making it? If they don't make it, you won't have it.
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slim
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join:2001-02-13
Arlington, VA
| Re: Arrrrrrr everyone here agrees with you, buddy.
But do you understand that they want to take away your right to make a copy for your OWN use. If the MPAA and RIAA had their way you could not:
-put music from a CD you bought onto your computer or your Mp3 player FOR YOUR OWN USE
-make a videotape of a program on TV for you and you alone to watch later
-Read e-books on a Linux box. E-books that you bought and paid for. Actaully they don't want you to do anything on a Linux box.
Everyone agrees that taking something you have not paid for is WRONG. However, once you have paid for it, you should be able to transfer it to another medium, watch and play it whenever and however you want.
The internet will soon become just another place to buy stuff.
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| | | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| Actually promoting the purchase of media instead of pirating it helps the economy, it doesn't hurt it.
True as well, stet. Although, I'm not going to go out and buy a 2003 Chevy Avalanche just because they're built in detroit (at least some of it anyway) and that it'll put my 2 cents (literally) back into the economy. That's kind of like me saying I'm going to go out and buy a britney spears poster because she's a little down and out right now... I didn't make Britney poor? She hasn't helped me.
I hope that post doesn't offend anyone... | |
| | | babelfish5
join:2002-01-12
Phoenix, AZ
| said by stet:
Actually promoting the purchase of media instead of pirating it helps the economy, it doesn't hurt it. And, what's wrong with helping the people that produce the product (that you seem to enjoy)? If they don't get money for their product, why should they continue making it? If they don't make it, you won't have it.
Please name one artist or group that was "pirated" out of the business. I haven't heard of any. I have heard of many going broke at the hands of the recording industry, shiftless agents, and lawyers. The biggest case of piracy has already been mentioned here: the co-oping of the few original artist by other artist who are corporate game players. I find it hard to believe many people are really so naive as to believe this piracy hoopla is really about the starving artists. After all, how much do they contribute to political campaigns?
When the Honorable Sen. Hollings was asked if he was influenced by campaign contributions from Enron he quipped they only gave him a small amount (about a grand, I think) and that "I'm I committee chairman. That's not a bribe, it's an insult." The truth is often said in jest.
And has anyone in the big media pointed out that high-level of entry licensing fees for internet radio, as opposed to a pure royalty model as has been historically used, would help thwart the indie business, giving fewer alternatives to corporate music? | |
| jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| innovatrion? Creativity? "American innovation and creativity need to be protected by our government, just like our personal property, our homes and (our) streets need protection,"
Simply stated, there hasn't been any innovation or creativity in music for 10 years... look at all the regurgitated garbage that keeps coming back. Look at all the sequels and comic book spinoffs in movies. No innovation or creativity. Thanks to that and thanks to most people out there waking up to the wool that's being pulled over their eyes, p2p is thriving and will continue to thrive - one way or another. | |
| | | babelfish5
join:2002-01-12
Phoenix, AZ
|  Re: This is getting downright Orwellian
said by Paralytic:
They failed to legislate their cash driven "morality," so now they're asking for special protection under law for the RIAA and MPAA. This is sounding more and more like a lost chapter of Animal Farm where not only are some animals more equal than others, but their excremental product is held sacred and forced upon the rest at absurd costs.
"American innovation and creativity" need to be protected from our government, which has been trying to sell our rights to the highest bidder for years. Progress will come from lifting restrictions, not adding more. Any elected representative that fails to grasp this should pull up his pants and go sell it on a streetcorner.
I had to give you a thumbs up for that comment, Hurts. You could have added that of the more equal animals, those producing the most copius excrement get the most protection, and the most to eat. How about the government regulation of the airways, which were long ago deemed a limited resource and so regulated by Uncle to ensure they were used "for the public good." In the age of Regan it was decided the spectrum was like a gold mine and Uncle had the mineral rights, which were sold to the highest bidder to raise funds, so they could do more protecting the public good. | |
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WildGod
God Is Dead
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join:2002-01-30
NYC
| Im glad there are no important issues to legislate Hmmmmm arent there more important issues to be debating? I guess the war on terrorism has been won, we have solved our poverty issues, we have won the ridiculous war on drugs and so on and so on.
This is what the Senate is gonna waste it's time on? Well the democrats have always been in bed with hollywood and the media businesses. It's kinda funny when you think about it, Republicans are supposed to be for big business and the Democrats are supposed to be for the individual. Hmmmm I guess $$$$ will always get you a senators ear.
You know I could understand if this "piracy" was making companies bankrupt but all we are talking about is companies who claim they are losing billions of dollars.
The recording industry sales were down only 5% in 2001, for everything that happened in 2001(not too mention the lack of any good releases, other than TOOL in my opinion, which I bought TY)i would say being down only 5% is actually pretty good.
Perhaps these CEO's and top execs could give up a tiny portion of their salaries, perks, stock options and golden parachutes if they are so concerned about stockholders and the artists on their labels.
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| | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| Re: Im glad there are no important issues to legislate Hmmmmm arent there more important issues to be debating? I guess the war on terrorism has been won,
According to most politicans enacting (or trying to) laws through congress, the war on terrorism is on our own ground. Remember an article here a couple months ago that stated that piracy is a form of terrorism? I know that article went overboard but in a way, it speaks the truth.
The recording industry sales were down only 5% in 2001, for everything that happened in 2001(not too mention the lack of any good releases, other than TOOL in my opinion, which I bought TY)i would say being down only 5% is actually pretty good
being down 5 percent is good, as you stated, for a company that constantly releases a terrible product. | |
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sharkbyte0
join:2000-09-07
Lansdale, PA
| said by wildxgod:
Hmmmmm arent there more important issues to be debating? I guess the war on terrorism has been won, we have solved our poverty issues, we have won the ridiculous war on drugs and so on and so on.
Well, I guess congress is makeing sure that during these though times that these old corporate dinosaurs, big business, lobbying agencies, lawyers keep making their money. Shudder to think they might lose a digit on their 6 to 11 figure salarys & profits.
Regards
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| | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL
| Perhaps these CEO's and top execs could give up a tiny portion of their salaries, perks, stock options and golden parachutes if they are so concerned about stockholders and the artists on their labels
Definately don't hold your breath on that one. | |
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oOOOo
join:2001-12-10
| let him know how y'all feel ... senator@biden.senate.gov
ofc, prolly a regular person actually scans the stuff (and removes anything that might cause thought, guilt, or responsibility) so make it funny enough to be repeated verbally around his office anyway.
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martissimo
join:2001-12-01
Las Vegas, NV
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| hmmm Every time there is an article about this stuff somebody points out, the software industry has been doing just fine and they have to deal with piracy too.
Then, they propose a bill that would give digital movies and music the same anti-counterfeiting protection under the law that software has.
doesn't that at least seem fair?
I'm not so sure of the scope of the other part that deals with copying holograms etc... but off the top of my head that seems like something that would affect mainly large scale (for profit) people, you know like somebody who would try to sell faked copies of Windows with a bogus hologram on it. I would have to see this part broken down better (this article is a little light on hard info), but if that's the other parts goal i would have no problem with that either. | |
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| | jj nobody
join:2000-08-31
Lakeland, FL | Re: Where have these days gone? yep, it's a shame when legendary bands sell out to the almighty dollar. | |
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nyteeyes1
RIP my beloved spook 1991 to 8-2-08
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join:2001-09-07
Jacksonville, FL
·AT&T Southeast
| Why I download music
Why I download MP3's...
I didnt enter the world of the CD user until 1997. So, needless to say, I had lots and lots of cassettes and vinyl. But over the years, they've become so distorted, damaged, eaten from all of the use. At the time, I didnt have a way to make a backup copy, and some of these would be almost impossible to find on CD.
I download MP3's to replenish the inventory that I legally purchased but couldnt back up. A lot of these were bought for just ONE song. Seeing that I have so many, I cant see going back and buying these all over again.
Most of these are songs from the 60's, 70's, 80's. As far as the music of today, I have no interest. These days I find it hard for a song to catch my ear like they used to.
I download for personal use, not to avoid buying the songs of today, but to archive those I already lost but could not back up.
We all download for different reasons. I dont think my reasons affect the starving artist of today, although I could be wrong.
I just get tired of the MP3 downloader "stereotype", since not all of us fit. | |
| MonkeyHitman3
join:2002-05-06
Lynnwood, WA
| *ahem* I'm really not that worried about Biden's new bill, in comparison to the CBDTPA. quote:
To put this in perspective: The CBDTPA would, if enacted in its current form, have the electrifying effect on computer professionals that the Supreme Court's decision in Bush v. Gore did to some Democratic Party members.
Legal experts said on Friday that the CBDTPA regulates nearly any program, in source or object code, that runs on a PC or anything else with a microprocessor.
That's not just Windows media players and their brethren, as you might expect. The CBDTPA's sweeping definition of "any hardware or software" includes word processors, spreadsheets, operating systems, compilers, programming languages -- all the way down to humble Unix utilities like "cp" and "cat."
"The definition will cover just about anything that runs on your computer -- except maybe the clock," said Tom Bell, a professor at Chapman University School of Law who teaches intellectual property law.
Then Bell paused for a moment and reconsidered. "There's a risk you could say it covers things like even a digital clock program on your computer," he said.
According to the CBDTPA, any software with the ability to reproduce "copyrighted works" may not be sold in the United States after the Federal Communications Commission's regulations take effect. Even programmers who distribute their code for free would be prohibited from releasing newer versions -- unless the application included federally approved technology.If the CBDTPA passes, it wouldn't matter if the newly purposed bill passes.
Check the complete article here.
I'm sure this is old news. I'm just a lot more worried about the CBDTPA. =(
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