 Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | Re: New Docs Show FCC Glossed Over BPL Flaws No real surprise here, next thing you know they'll find Kevin Martin's conclusions about white space devices flawed too. The FCC has now been run to benefit large corporations rather than the public for years. | |
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 |  | | Re: New Docs Show FCC Glossed Over BPL Flaws said by Sammer:No real surprise here, next thing you know they'll find Kevin Martin's conclusions about white space devices flawed too. The FCC has now been run to benefit large corporations rather than the public for years. I'm sure they sold us down the river for a lot of things.
Kudos to ARRL for sticking up for its membership, which reminds me - I need to re-up my membership. | |
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| Re: Eat your cake and have it, too. If regulation kills puppies, then de regulation eats little kittens. (And calm down please, folks. It's a funny...) -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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 |  | | said by I Use Dial:A few entries down DSLR is talking up having the federal government increasing regulation. But here in this entry DSLR is discussing how federal regulation ends up being a tool for manipulation. Good, transparent regulation is not a bad thing.
When the FCC hides stuff it's not good. | |
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 |  neowulf join:2000-10-20 Port Orange, FL | One could also argue that a change of regulation for the better, "new FOIA rules", brought to light regulation that was poorly administered by a corrupted administration.
It all depends on who is in control of said regulation, humans with their corruptibility can easily be swayed by money and power. So in this case I don't think it is fair to blame regulation, more so to blame those who regulate.
Is all regulation good, no. Should everything be regulated, no. Should regulation exist that protects the little guy from the big guy with a lobbyist at every door in Washington, I sure hope so. | |
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If it's good regulation, the regulation can be good.
If it's Kevin Martin's latest shitbag coverup, then it's lousy regulation... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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 me1212 join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO | Could BPL work? Could it, it would be an easy(easy=no laying new cables) way to get high speed to people in rural areas where it is sat or dial-up. | |
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Please read up some of the older posts before you make blanket statements like that. | |
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This BPL broadband will be great when Duke Nukem Forever comes out.... | |
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another episode of simple answers to complex questions. | |
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| Re: Google said by KraziJoe:I am still awaiting Google's Sewer internet service! Oh shit.... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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| said by KraziJoe:I am still awaiting Google's Sewer internet service! Running fiber in sewers is a very cost effective way to deploy fiber. Same with abandoned gas and steam pipes.
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| Re: Google said by tschmidt:said by KraziJoe:I am still awaiting Google's Sewer internet service! Running fiber in sewers is a very cost effective way to deploy fiber. Same with abandoned gas and steam pipes. /tom Clayton Williams started a huge long distance company with fiber inside of gas pipelines. | |
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 |  |  mdrift join:2003-08-15 Spokane, WA | said by tschmidt:said by KraziJoe:I am still awaiting Google's Sewer internet service! Running fiber in sewers is a very cost effective way to deploy fiber. Same with abandoned gas and steam pipes. /tom Sure does when you're London and you have sewer tunnels people can walk through and practically drive trucks through. It's not practical if they are just running them through traditional US Sewer junctions which are far more cramped.
Then again, with the aging systems they should redesign to make sure these tunnels are large like London and run not just Fiber, but Power as well. | |
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| I don't understand why the FCC was so big on this technology ... I think all along it's been a "strawman", an appearance of "cultivating competition".
Or maybe they just plain wanted it to work. I think there is possibilities for Internet via the electric utilities, but this doesn't appear to be it. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| Re: I don't understand why the FCC was so big on this technology I think by and large it served as a way to justify policies that essentially just gave AT&T and Verizon whatever they lobbied for -- with very few exceptions.
By shilling for BPL, they could use their own shilling for BPL as evidence they were trying to foster additional competition in the space, the actual viability of the technology be damned...
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| Re: I don't understand why the FCC was so big on this technology That's exactly what I mean by saying "giving the appearance of cultivating competition." Maybe I should of said "Red Herring" instead of "Strawman" but you get the idea.... -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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I think she was a good replacement for Riley.
Notice the 11 meter enforcement letters... 3 of them to Dayton Ohio. I have to wonder if they're cleaning up the place before hamvention.  | |
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I saw the 11 meter enforcement letters. Who knows but maybe they can catch a few of them in the flee market area and confiscate a few more pieces of equipment.  | |
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| Re: New Docs Show FCC Glossed Over BPL Flaws It just goes to show you how the previous administration was rotten to the core. Sort of like a termite-infested dog house: one good kick and the whole sorry structure comes tumbling down.
Don't stop at the FCC, though. Other infested entities: FAA, FDA - the list goes on for miles. It will take years and billions to undo the damage. So sad, plus many of those behaviors may be legally actionable. | |
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