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'New' FCC, Same Regulatory Rubber Stamp For CenturyLink
Embarq/Centurytel merger conditions for show, FCC hopes nobody notices

When the FCC allowed AT&T to acquire BellSouth in one of the largest telecom deals ever, the agency enacted a series of wimpy conditions (pdf). Not only were most of the conditions simply for show, but the FCC made it very clear they really had no intention of enforcing them. AT&T was supposed to offer naked or 768kbps $10 DSL for two years after the merger, but skirted around the condition's purpose by never advertising the services, and making it difficult to order them until people really started complaining. The FCC napped.

AT&T denied obfuscation and tried to claim that nobody really wanted dirt cheap unbundled DSL service anyway. Worse perhaps than the weak and unenforced conditions were the meaningless conditions the FCC knowingly signed off on. Designed more for showmanship than substance, several conditions made consumer advocates, an unskeptical press and inattentive politicians from both parties feel good -- but accomplished virtually nothing.

One such condition had AT&T promising the FCC they'd deploy broadband to 100% of their 23-state legacy footprint. That sounds good until you realize AT&T fiddled with definitions to include resold satellite in that equation. By that fairly insulting definition, AT&T offered broadband to 100% of their legacy customers before the ink was even dry on the FCC approval. That's not a condition, it's a bad joke.

Increasing from 87% to 90% in three years is less than I believe most companies would do in the ordinary course of upgrading networks.
-Dave Burstein
Which brings us to 2009, and a new FCC supposedly dedicated to broadband reform and penetration. According to a report in the Wall Street Journal, the agency's been looking over Embarq and Centurytel's proposed $11.4 billion merger. The deal would create a new company named CenturyLink. CenturyLink would service 7.5 million access lines, more than two million broadband customers and more than 400,000 video subscribers across thirty three states.

Given the FCC's self-professed renewed focus on increased broadband penetration, it would seem like a good opportunity to light a fire under the carrier to deliver DSL services to phone customers who don't yet have it. But all indications are the FCC is rushing the deal's approval to meet the company's timeline before new boss Julius Genachowski gets appointed. Here's the fairly wimpy conditions the FCC appears poised to sign off on:

•Deliver DSL of at least 768kbps to 90% of broadband customers within three years.

•Deliver DSL of at least 1.5Mbps to 87% of customers in that same time frame.

•Deliver DSL of at least 3Mbps to 75% of customers one year from close, increasing that to 80% of customers within three years

Digging into the numbers indicates that yet again -- the FCC is greenlighting a deal where the conditions are little more than window dressing. According to long-time industry watcher Dave Burstein, the FCC "really blew it" on the deal, given that CenturyTel already says they're at 87% broadband coverage.

"Increasing from 87% to 90% in three years is less than I believe most companies would do in the ordinary course of upgrading networks," says Burstein, "and far less than the previous business plan of the companies," he adds. ADSL was originally designed to go 18,000 feet, and Burstein says the telco rarely sells lines over 15,000 feet. "That means the vast majority of that 87% can already get the 1.5 Mbps speed," he notes.

In addition to meaningless conditions that requires no extra effort to deploy DSL to existing Century or Embarq phone customers, the FCC isn't requiring any additional expansion, either. Buried in the deal's language is this: "nothing in this commitment shall require any CenturyTel or Embarq local operating company to serve any geographic areas it currently does not serve with Broadband ADSL Transmission Service."

Are the FCC's current lawyers really that poor at their jobs that they repeatedly allow meaningless conditions to float through unnoticed? At some point one has to assume that this isn't poor judgment or error on the part of an over-worked FCC -- it's willful participation in a sham, with American consumers playing the starring role.

CenturyTel's plan architect and lawyer Sam Feder was, until recently, FCC General Counsel. The drawbacks for consumers of a revolving door policy between regulators and telecom lobbyists/lawyers is as apparent as ever. This was an opportunity for the FCC to impose meaningful conditions that ensure consolidation benefits consumers. Instead, as with AT&T, the FCC once again decided that fealty to carriers was the top priority.

Requests for comment from several FCC staffers were not returned.
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Same poop, different smell

There is no such thing as 'change' in Washington. We are a government of the corporations and for the corporations and that will never change so long as corporations and other special interests are allowed to bribe contribute to Congress and the Administration who pulls the FCC's strings.
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Um...

There *is* change, which is why they're rushing to get this deal passed before Genachowski is appointed as head of the FCC.

This really demonstrates the true nature of the Republican party. Everything the FCC has ever done ever since being dominated by Republicans has been to help companies make as much money as possible while providing as little service to consumers as possible.

When Genachowski is put in charge, things will definitely change.

It just shocks me that Republicans are allowed over and over again, decade after decade, to have such anti-consumer and anti-non rich person influence over American life.

If you would read A People's History of the United States you would realize the people up top, especially Republicans, have never had the average American's best interests at heart. They've always been concerned with the capitalistic elite. It sickens me to watch stupid people fall for their lies year after year.

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I believe the dysfunction here is truly bi-partisan in nature. Copps (a Democrat) is currently in charge, with he, Adelstein (a Democrat) and McDowell (Republican) also poised to sign off on these conditions....
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Copps can't do anything until Genachowski, his new boss, has the authority.

And really it's less about whether an individual considers himself Democratic or Republican, and more about the organization as a whole, and which party dominates its appointees.

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Copps can't do anything until Genachowski, his new boss, has the authority.
Nope. Copps and the current three member panel can (and according to people in DC and the WSJ) are about to sign off on the merger before Genachowski even gets approved.
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I believe the dysfunction here is truly bi-partisan in nature. ....
unfortunately, such is the case with many things these days - the wars, torture, illegal data collection, copyright ...

and don't forget, this government isn't working for the public right now, it's working for big business - that's bi-partisan too.

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said by Karl Bode:

I believe the dysfunction here is truly bi-partisan in nature. ....
unfortunately, such is the case with many things these days - the wars, torture, illegal data collection, copyright ...

and don't forget, this government isn't working for the public right now, it's working for big business - that's bi-partisan too.
...but it's a status quo we can believe in!

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I believe the dysfunction here is truly bi-partisan in nature.
What dysfunction? The FCC was designed from the get-go to protect these companies from each other and create something of a market, which is pretty much what they've been doing for the last 75 years. Consumer protection is something that, if it happens in the pursuit of that goal, is just a pleasant accident. At no time has the FCC ever actually been a consumer-driven agency.
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When Genachowski is put in charge, things will definitely change.

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You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
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The FCC did a decent job under a Democratic President and Congress, and a so-so job under a Democratic President and Republican Congress. Now that we're back under Democratic control of both branches I'm looking forward to some serious anti-trust litigation.

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The FCC did a decent job under a Democratic President and Congress
I guess you slept through the outrageous farce which is the Telecommunications Act of 1996. A Democratic Congress wrote it, a Democratic President signed it and a Democratic FCC implemented it.
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The Telecommunications Act was actually very effective at first. Competition began to flourish in the mid to late 90's. It wasn't until the FCC, (Republican) Congress, and the courts gutted it later on, that it became a farce.

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I guess that's why the bandits behind Northpoint, Rhythms and a dozen other paper CLECs ran off with the money.

You can't create a competitive market from an oligopoly with a pen.

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said by Vast Wasteland :

I guess you slept through the outrageous farce which is the Telecommunications Act of 1996. A Democratic Congress wrote it, a Democratic President signed it and a Democratic FCC implemented it.
I thought the problem with the 1996 Act was how the FCC dismantled it 7 years later with the Triennial Review Order.

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Um, some partisans are simply in denial that "their guys" are just as corrupt as the "other guys".

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said by sonicmerlin:

If you would read A People's History of the United States you would realize the people up top, especially Republicans, have never had the average American's best interests at heart. They've always been concerned with the capitalistic elite. It sickens me to watch stupid people fall for their lies year after year.
What sickens me is that so many people voted for Obama thinking they were getting "change". Only about 2% were smart enough to vote for the only candidate that was willing to provide voters the protections they deserve (or do they?).
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The guy's had 5 months in office. What did you expect him to do in 5 months?

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The guy's had 5 months in office. What did you expect him to do in 5 months?
Try not making the same decisions as Bush, which invalidates everything you've said.
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The same decisions? I could argue indepth with you, but since your argument presupposes perfect symmetry between both presidents' decision making, it stands to reason that one difference brings down your whole argument. So I suppose Obama's increased federal funding for stem-cell research is enough to prove you wrong.

I'm more interested in rating him when his 4 year term is near its end. By then we'll see how well his economic stimulus spending worked out (another fiscal policy Bush would have differed significantly on), and whether the newly appointed FCC head will have changed the course of broadband investment in America.

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The guy's had 5 months in office. What did you expect him to do in 5 months?
Something other than spend us into insolvency. Obama I is just Bush II.
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You need to spend to get out of a recession. This includes borrowing money, however much is necessary.

Most people's gut reaction in a time of economic hardship is to start hoarding and saving as much as possible, but from society's standpoint that is economic suicide.

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You need to spend to get out of a recession. This includes borrowing money, however much is necessary.

Most people's gut reaction in a time of economic hardship is to start hoarding and saving as much as possible, but from society's standpoint that is economic suicide.
Exactly, how many times have you heard not to take money out of the banks and also not to stash it all in savings ... to spend, spend, spend? I know I've heard a LOT of that lately. Without "spending" you can't stimulate the economy.

Even Bush tried to stimulate the economy with 2 x $600 checks. All it did was put a band-aid on the gaping wound until he was out of office, so I'll take spending directed at improving social programs, our educational systems, and science over cutting everyone a check.

I see a lot of people criticizing Obama, but no one offering alternative solutions of their own.

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You can not borrow your way out of debt. Yeah, money for Chinese steel, greedy and corrupt state union workers and pregnancy testing is doing wonders for the economy.

All Obama is doing is stimulating the Chinese economy on the credit of Joe Taxpayer. The guy is a total disaster that will DOUBLE our national debt over the next decade so sayith the CBO. And as big of a tard Bush was, Obama QUADRUPLED his reckless deficit spending to unbelievable and unsustainable levels. His reckless spending will have us paying a trillion a year just servicing his massive debt. And now he wants to raise taxes on everyone including current healthcare benefits to pay for his disastrous healthcare scheme and cost every family $200 a year with idiotic cap and trade bullshit. Great, just what is needed during a recession, a massive tax increase and inflation. So much for what little pork spending is staying in the US. More and more of Americans' hard earned money is stolen by corrupt government whores...of course they have nothing left to spend on themselves and the economy stalled.

2012 can not come soon enough. We must follow Europe's lead and oust the liberal fascists from power. March these socialist do gooder fools and corporate ass licking neocon douchebags into the sea and get someone who doesn't have their head in their ass and will finally tell every bloodsucking leech NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO KEEP GIVING YOU STUFF, JOE TAXPAYER IS NOT A G-D ATM AND WE HAVE NO MONEY!

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said by Bit00:

You can not borrow your way out of debt. Yeah, money for Chinese steel, greedy and corrupt state union workers and pregnancy testing is doing wonders for the economy.

All Obama is doing is stimulating the Chinese economy on the credit of Joe Taxpayer. The guy is a total disaster that will DOUBLE our national debt over the next decade so sayith the CBO. And as big of a tard Bush was, Obama QUADRUPLED his reckless deficit spending to unbelievable and unsustainable levels. His reckless spending will have us paying a trillion a year just servicing his massive debt. And now he wants to raise taxes on everyone including current healthcare benefits to pay for his disastrous healthcare scheme and cost every family $200 a year with idiotic cap and trade bullshit. Great, just what is needed during a recession, a massive tax increase and inflation. So much for what little pork spending is staying in the US. More and more of Americans' hard earned money is stolen by corrupt government whores...of course they have nothing left to spend on themselves and the economy stalled.

2012 can not come soon enough. We must follow Europe's lead and oust the liberal fascists from power. March these socialist do gooder fools and corporate ass licking neocon douchebags into the sea and get someone who doesn't have their head in their ass and will finally tell every bloodsucking leech NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO KEEP GIVING YOU STUFF, JOE TAXPAYER IS NOT A G-D ATM AND WE HAVE NO MONEY!
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As much as I disagree with your stance on Microsoft, I LOVE this rant here

I wish more people would wake up and rant like this

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said by sonicmerlin:

You know what, you're right!

We should all sit in front of our Time Warner Cable provided TV, watching FOX News screaming:
Gub'mint is bad!
Gub'mint is bad!

THAT'LL SHOW THOSE FASCISTS!

YEAH BABY!
Government is a contradiction to freedom. This is inherent to ANY form of "government." Free Market economies should have LITTLE to NO involvement from the government! And in the United States, the federal government has NO right (constitutionally) to be doing what it has been doing!

-Tzale
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if he didnt bail out those blood sucking companies which i hope burn in hell, then they would probably continue extorting. they have the ability to kill the country monetarily and i think what we had and have was/is nothing compared to what wall street and big business was gonna do to the country if they didn't get bailed out. remember, with the power vested in those companies, they have the ability to squish all our nads and fallopian thingies.. all they would have to do is drive down market prices and what is happening now and what happened during the end of last year would like an economic boom.

obama aint dumb, he knows if he hadn't given the "monies" then we would be much worse off than we are now.

oh.. and we weren't really that good off before shit crashed.. what i've learned is nobody was ever worth what they thought they were worth and what we thought they were worth.. a lot of millionaires have no money left.. everything was based off credit and a false sense of net-worth. it's true.

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if he didnt bail out those blood sucking companies which i hope burn in hell, then they would probably continue extorting. they have the ability to kill the country monetarily and i think what we had and have was/is nothing compared to what wall street and big business was gonna do to the country if they didn't get bailed out. remember, with the power vested in those companies, they have the ability to squish all our nads and fallopian thingies.. all they would have to do is drive down market prices and what is happening now and what happened during the end of last year would like an economic boom.

obama aint dumb, he knows if he hadn't given the "monies" then we would be much worse off than we are now.

oh.. and we weren't really that good off before shit crashed.. what i've learned is nobody was ever worth what they thought they were worth and what we thought they were worth.. a lot of millionaires have no money left.. everything was based off credit and a false sense of net-worth. it's true.
LOL. LOL.

I mean first, LOL at your idea of the president paying extortion fees to businesses. Leader of the free world, fights terrorism in the middle east, but too afraid to stand up to businesses (All he would have to do BTW is call an executive order to freeze their assests, and THEY would die). It's not government isn't being bribed is it? No, that would MAKE SENSE.

Also, LOL at people being worth what they thought they were. I could think right now I'm worth a billion dollars, does that mean it's true? Try going to economics 101, you may find that people ARE worth what sheets of paper say (as far as finances), not what they think they are.
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and if those big ass companies like GM and all the other bailed out companies DIED, the american economy would die too. what happened was nothing compared to what would've happened if the banks and all those other companies weren't bailed out.

i posted something and it didn't go through.

a) a lot of people had millions in the market and it's gone.
b) the wealthy cant be stopped from gaining more money (legally or illegally)
c) most people are not as wealthy as you think, those sheets of paper disappear in these times. you're talking about the super rich, i'm talking about ordinary rich people who are dried up right now because of the times.
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Sheets of paper are meaningless. Real value is extremely hard to quantify at the Wall Street level, and is more perception than anything else. Most people (and corporations) aren't insured with tangible goods with real monetary value, like gold or platinum.

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said by geonap:

if he didnt bail out those blood sucking companies which i hope burn in hell, then they would probably continue extorting. they have the ability to kill the country monetarily and i think what we had and have was/is nothing compared to what wall street and big business was gonna do to the country if they didn't get bailed out. remember, with the power vested in those companies, they have the ability to squish all our nads and fallopian thingies.. all they would have to do is drive down market prices and what is happening now and what happened during the end of last year would like an economic boom.

obama aint dumb, he knows if he hadn't given the "monies" then we would be much worse off than we are now.

oh.. and we weren't really that good off before shit crashed.. what i've learned is nobody was ever worth what they thought they were worth and what we thought they were worth.. a lot of millionaires have no money left.. everything was based off credit and a false sense of net-worth. it's true.
This is EXACTLY the truth!

America has been growing steadily thanks to the credit system... However, only within the past two decades or so has it reached a point where the average Joe is living well beyond his means. This has also driven an intense desire for material things that cheapens society as a whole... It reduces our morals, and puts $$$ signs on everything..

It used to be that if you made a middle class income, you lived in a nice little home, and tried to get the "bigger" home with hard work. Nowadays, you see young middle class families foreclosing on million dollar McMansions.... The house of cards had to collapse! Not everyone can be a millionaire! And not every millionaire should be a millionaire. This system is inherently flawed. Obama is making it worse.

-Tzale

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said by Tzale:

It used to be that if you made a middle class income, you lived in a nice little home, and tried to get the "bigger" home with hard work. Nowadays, you see young middle class families foreclosing on million dollar McMansions.... The house of cards had to collapse! Not everyone can be a millionaire! And not every millionaire should be a millionaire. This system is inherently flawed. Obama is making it worse.

-Tzale
Exactly, too many Americans have developed an entitlement mentality. Too many people think they should get a six figure income. Too many people think they should have a McMansion and a BMW. Too many people think society owes them a living. Liberal do gooders like Obama feed into this delusion of entitlement at the expense of those who are actually working hard just to see more and more of their money stolen from them by greedy government and their leech constituency.

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No, we are going the route Japan did during the 80's, which was to rescue corporations instead of letting the free market take its course, which ended up in a massive recession for Japan.

And that's the point. Borrow all the money you want, but the idiots who fucked things up are still employed.

Btw, I will argue that the keynesian model didn't work. I firmly believe we exited the great depression due to increased production during world war 2 and the fact that enough people died that people could take enough of the current available jobs.
Expand your moderator at work

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said by sonicmerlin:

You need to spend to get out of a recession. This includes borrowing money, however much is necessary.

Most people's gut reaction in a time of economic hardship is to start hoarding and saving as much as possible, but from society's standpoint that is economic suicide.
Oi!. I love that logic. Print mo' money,sell more debt to Communist China.

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said by sonicmerlin:

You need to spend to get out of a recession. This includes borrowing money, however much is necessary.

And from which of your many published treatises on economics are you quoting from?
IF you can cope with facts and logic, try reading the chapter, "On The Free Market" from Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny.
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if you haven't noticed, America could barely IRAQ. (if it even did, most would argue, Iraq was another vietnam).

That fight terrorism thing is crock, you could never stop it.. there are terrorists in this country that do shit all the time like going and shooting INS up, they're just not muslim. ANYWAY.

China invests because it knows that the country will eventually be normal again, everyone will be lending and up to their eyeballs in debt and china will get it's money back, if it doesn't.. America isn't the super power it used to be. Americans doubts china has the capability to anything, be sure of it that they could pretty much walk in and take over unless if you're going to be dropping nukes then they will too.

and yea, americans have a false sense of entitlement. everyone thinks they deserve something or they're this or that.. they're not, this so called amazing country has citizens who can't add one thing to another and figure out they're getting screwed!

socialized or not, americans who have insurance probably cant afford their copays. EVERYONE IN AMERICA IS UP TO THEIR EYE BALLS IN DEBT. they will take it from wherever it's possible, WHEREVER. just like how ATT wants to take overage from here and there..

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said by sonicmerlin:

It just shocks me that Republicans are allowed over and over again, decade after decade, to have such anti-consumer and anti-non rich person influence over American life.

If you would read A People's History of the United States you would realize the people up top, especially Republicans, have never had the average American's best interests at heart. They've always been concerned with the capitalistic elite. It sickens me to watch stupid people fall for their lies year after year.
Now, now, calm down give Bill Ayers a call. I'm sure he'll send you a lollipop, a big RED one. Capitalist elite, my bum.
"A People's History", on the shelf next to Prairie Fire, Soul on Ice, Das Kapital and Mao's Little Red Book. What red diaper doper baby drivel.
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Naked DSL was a joke

AT&T let my friend order naked DSL, but they could not get it to work. After a month and three technician visits, they finally figured out that she had been plugged into Uverse equipment in the CO. She cancelled her naked DSL order.

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I have Embarq naked DSL as my secondary connection to Comcast Business services here -- since they upgraded the capacity to the remote terminal so there isn't a constant 10% packet loss every night I really have no complaints.
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Quick Notes

Yes, the broadband penetration deal is weak assuming Embarq has the same broadband penetration figures as CenturyTel (a valid assumption since the companies are somewhat similar).

However CenTel is selling 512/256 "extended reach" DSL right now so theoretically they could upgrade people to 768/256 and still not roll out DSL to anyone else...and it would be an upgrade. I'd like 768 over 512 for the same price

Though not having a "you must sell this DSL at this price point" term in there is rather lousy. Extended reach DSL appears to be $40 per month for CenturyTel and Embarq, a far cry from $20 768k like you can get in town.

At least these terms are very specific as to what they mean, so there are no weasel clauses for CenLink to get out of.

Personally though there should have been an upload speed requirement in there. 384k for 768k, 512k for 1.5M, 768k for 3M. Sat internet can do 300k up right now, so it's only logical, right?

Now if the FCC had had real balls, they would have required 100% 1.5/512 penetration within 3 years with 150ms or less latency to fcc.gov 99.9% of the time. The medium for this service could be CenLink's choice (DSL, fiber, wireless, two tin cans and a wet string) as long as the speed criteria would be met. Then in five years the 100% would need to be upgraded to 3/768. Pricing ould have to be $50 per month or less. Now I know that sounds high for people used to $20 DSL, but when you're comparing 1.5/256 sat internet for $80 to 1.5/512 for $50 or 3/300 for $200 or so vs. 3/768 for $50 (sat internet) guess who wins?

To look at the bright side of things, at least Embarq and CenTel haven't capped data transfers thusfar and probably won't anytime soon.
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It is nice that they have no cap. And Embarq is the local telco here so I do hope my house is one of the house that get DSL from the must have service in 3 years.

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Now if the FCC had had real balls, they would have required 100% 1.5/512 penetration within 3 years with 150ms or less latency to fcc.gov 99.9% of the time.
The FCC would have to fix their internal systems so that fcc.gov was accessible at least 99.9% of the time, first.

My dealings with Embarq have been pleasant enough, especially compared to my dealings with Comcast in the same markets. Let's hope the new and improved combined company follows through on customer service and doesn't drown in combined chaos.
me1212
join:2008-11-20
Lees Summit, MO
·Google Fiber

me1212

Member

How much coverage to they have now?

It says they have to "•Deliver DSL of at least 768kbps to 90% of broadband customers within three years.

•Deliver DSL of at least 1.5Mbps to 87% of customers in that same time frame.

•Deliver DSL of at least 3Mbps to 75% of customers one year from close, increasing that to 80% of customers within three years"

How much coverage to they have right now? A

And "Deliver DSL of at least 3Mbps to 75% of customers one year from close" I hope they enforce that. Hopefully I am one of them that gets it, 1.5 would work but I would rather have 3m.

powerhog
Stinkin' up the joint
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join:2000-12-14
Owasso, OK

powerhog

Premium Member

Watch closely how things are worded

FCC defines 'broadband' as 768kbps.

Therefore, ALL (100%) of "broadband customers" are already being served with 768kbps connections. Otherwise, they would just be "high speed" customers.

I can't speculate on the deployment of these two companies, but I suspect it's not much of a stretch to assume they have already met the other two conditions or can meet them very, very easily.

Besides, anyone think the FCC is going to audit the merged company in 3 years and break it up if they haven't met the conditions?

Fox McCloud
Crazy like a fox.
join:2006-07-23

Fox McCloud

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Overall, Positive!

My overall experience with Embarq has been very very positive; little to no down time (caused by them), and problems have been fixed in a short order...I'm on their 10 meg package and get around 9880-9900k down and 800-830k up (package is supposed to be around 896k up, so I think I'm doing quite well). Latency is excellent, since I'm on FastPath; I usually ping Google at around 32ms.

The most recent down-time I had was, in fact, my fried modem, so it's not Embarq's fault, at all.

In any event, I'm a bit leery of CenturyTel, and this merger, but I'm not going to throw my paws up in the air and say "screw it all, government, come protect me! Stop this from happening!"

It'll be interesting to see what happens; hopefully this new company will head in the right direction, and I think they definitely have that capability and potential!
meowmeow
join:2003-07-26
Helena, MT

meowmeow

Member

Re: Overall, Positive!

As well you should be, as well you should be. CenturyTel is horrible. High prices, bad service, money spent lobbying the FCC and congress to tax VoIP services into oblivion. None of the major consumer VoIP services here in Kalispell, MT (CenturyTel territory) but they do in the rest of the state, even much smaller towns (almost all Qwest territory). Back in the days of dial-up, none of the national dial-up ISPs were available here. I don't know how CenturyTel does it, but they manage to keep the competition far away from them while they rip their customers off.

And their $25/month DSL package that most of their customers have is 256/128k. Seriously.
MikeyMan2171
join:2003-02-09
Jacksonville, NC

MikeyMan2171

Member

It will still be the same ole Embarq in good ole Jville NC

No matter what Embarq in Jacksonville NC will continue to force bundled phone/dsl packages on its customers. Most of the local population of Jville are military and use cell phones since it makes more sense for them. Unfortuneately they are forced into bundles if they want DSL buying phone service that they will NEVER use. I doubt that the FCC will ever look into this though. For Embarq its a win win situation the consumer pays for a service they dont use, and because the service is not used the company in this case Embarq doesnt have to spend as much on maintenance for the equipment that provides the service. Maintenance cost down means profits are up. Gotta love it.
Untill they change and allow all of their customers in all of the markets they service to have the choice of dryloop DSL or a bundle F Embarq.

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