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| | | | Re: Sad.... Not to joke, but you could truthfully blow through 20GB with ease in just a few hours at maximum throughput with 10mbps down. | |
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| Re: Sad.... said by PapaMidnight:Not to joke, but you could truthfully blow through 20GB with ease in just a few hours at maximum throughput with 10mbps down.
It's also more like 10GB, and then a separate 10 GB for off peak hours as far as I can tell, you can blow through 10GB even faster. | |
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said by silbaco:With caps of 10GB, 15GB, and 20GB, the service is arguably worse than before (minus the obvious speed difference). People on the current HughesNet service have unlimited nights, not another set of capped usage hours. Plus these new caps count upload usage which the old HughesNet does not.
said by silbaco:With caps of 10GB, 15GB, and 20GB, the service is arguably worse than before (minus the obvious speed difference). People on the current HughesNet service have unlimited nights, not another set of capped usage hours. Plus these new caps count upload usage which the old HughesNet does not.
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Camden, TN | Caps are really 10, 15 and 20 GB For example the 40 GB cap is really 20 GB with an extra 20 GB between 2 AM and 8 AM. | |
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Camden, TN
2 edits | Still sucks for rural people Ok so for rural people to get somewhat real internet one needs
Verizon HomeFusion 30 GB $120
Verizon USB dongle 20 GB $150
WB Excede 25 GB $140( includes $10 month equipment fee )
Hughesnet 20 GB $110( includes $10 month equipment fee )
So $520 for minimum 95 GB but you get unlimited data from 12-5 AM with Excede then you can use up to 20 GB a month from 5-8 AM with Highesnet. Maybe in 2032 these people can finally get 2012 internet. | |
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| iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Still sucks for rural people Sounds like a golden opportunity for a WISP to come in and sell a reasonably fast tier with a 100GB cap for $50, don't you think? | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Still sucks for rural people said by iansltx:Sounds like a golden opportunity for a WISP to come in and sell a reasonably fast tier with a 100GB cap for $50, don't you think?
Sure what's been stopping them form doing so already when satellite broadband was even worse? This is actually an improvement. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Still sucks for rural people Expensive bandwidth and older last-mile technology. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Still sucks for rural people said by iansltx:Expensive bandwidth and older last-mile technology.
So what makes you think they set up shop NOW then? | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Re: Still sucks for rural people ViaSat and HN aren't going to do anything to their packages for the next few years, so if you're in an area where cable and DSL don't go, you have a super-easy roadmap for all of your competition, including cellular. There's also new equipment out now that wasn't six months ago, and it's probably easier to get an Ethernet backhaul connection from the local cable company because they know what they are now...they've been selling them to Verizon, Sprint, AT&T and T-Mobile for a year or two. | |
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join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | Re: Still sucks for rural people Rural parents have had a WISP for going on 10 years. It's not great but it has the quality of a hard-line connection (latency/jitter/loss). $50/month. Small antenna outside. It started out at 512kbps/128kbps but recently they upgraded their "water tower" (absolutely dead serious on that) radio equipment and their in-home equipment for free, no contract. Still $50/month but now it's almost a symmetrical 1+Mbps. Much better than before and they are happy with it. Their alternatives are satellite, dialup or perhaps some kind of cell plan. AT&T and Verizon offer 3G in their area but the price would be higher, quality would be lower and speeds would be about the same.
I don't know if the WISP caps the plan. I doubt it. They are a small operation and it would likely be a lot of effort for them to track usage by customer and then try to bill overages or warn/terminate someone for exceeding normal use. There's the owner and a couple techs that roam around doing installs/repairs. I don't think the techs are employees. I think he pays them by the job. I don't even know how the guy bills. Probably some basic billing service he uses.
Bottom line: WISPs in rural America get the job done and this is what we should encourage when running a hard line just isn't economical. No USF slush-fund should go toward any such lunacy when WISPS can fulfill the need without even needing government incentives. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Still sucks for rural people Water towers are actually used quite regularly. I'm on several water towers and I share most of them with AT&T or Verizon. | |
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Still sucks for rural people Probably trying to find credit in a down economy. Care to provide some? | |
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join:2012-01-26
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kudos:2 | As if that would stop people from bitching about the caps. You would simply see the number change from 20 to 100 in the post. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Still sucks for rural people 100 is more than reasonable. | |
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join:2010-06-16
Scottsdale, AZ | Upfront cost is very high, need to rent tower space, buy equip. etc | |
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join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| said by Linklist:said by iansltx:Sounds like a golden opportunity for a WISP to come in and sell a reasonably fast tier with a 100GB cap for $50, don't you think?
And if it was really profitable, where are the small businessmen lining up to cash in on this golden opportunity? Yeah sure, if it wasn't for ATT and Comcast constantly drying up funds holding people up in court when they want to deploy in their claimed yet under serviced areas.. | |
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join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5 | said by Linklist:said by iansltx:Sounds like a golden opportunity for a WISP to come in and sell a reasonably fast tier with a 100GB cap for $50, don't you think?
And if it was really profitable, where are the small businessmen lining up to cash in on this golden opportunity? Actually investors are doing that. | |
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
kudos:1 | said by iansltx:Sounds like a golden opportunity for a WISP to come in and sell a reasonably fast tier with a 100GB cap for $50, don't you think? The reality is that if it were that simple, companies would have been doing that. It's nice that you can plump a few towers around Smalltown, US, and offer say.... 10/1 to a few hundred customers, but ever thought about what it would cost to bring a 100 Mbps backbone to a small town like that?
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join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | Re: Still sucks for rural people Yes. I've gotten quotes too. Waiting to hear back from one provider at this very moment about 100M symmetric fiber. How about you?  | |
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|  juilinsandarTexas GoonerPremium
join:2000-07-17
San Benito, TX
·RoadRunner Cable
| If you got no other real choices, you're stuck with whatever service deigns to go out and offer service to your area.
The pricing of the sat providers looks so damn similar as to almost be colluding between the sat providers.
They know they got their customers bent over and don't feel the need to offer something more competitive.
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The pricing of the sat providers looks so damn similar as to almost be colluding between the sat providers.
They know they got their customers bent over and don't feel the need to offer something more competitive.
Exactly. Despite being 45 minutes outside of DC, we moved into a new neighborhood in '03 that cable decided they didn't want to serve. It wasn't until two years ago that FIOS came in (contractually obligated to with the county) and saved our bacon. I had Hughes for 5 years and wanted to kill myself. Even ditched it for a while and just went with 3G. No WISP's here either. Least of many evils is the reality some face. | |
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join:2006-06-13
Faison, NC | Satellite will NEVER be the way to deliver content to independent customers and have it be cheap. Satellite is best when you want to broadcast something to many places, single links are expensive and always will be. Consider the cost of a single satellite, $350 million , and how many customers and at what rate you need to recoup cost in the 15 years the satellite will hopefully last. | |
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | going to guess they figure nobody in rural areas has something like Steam.
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join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
·Comcast
·Verizon Broadban..
| Better deal than VZW Home Fusion I think VZW tops out at 30 GB around the same price as the HughesNet 40 GB package. Fortunately I live in the city and I get 50/10 with a generous 250 GB cap. And it is probably more reliable than HughesNet. I do use VZW Broadband Access on my iPad, iPhone and Jetpack (4GB Share Everything plan). That VZW LTE is pretty nice and it has the feel of a cable modem. When I use my iPad on 4G or the Cable Modem, I barely notice a difference but I do notice a difference if I am on 3G vs 4G.
If I did not have access to cable modem and DSL was the only option, I would probably go with the Verizon Home Fusion offering due to less latency and more reliable.
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
1 edit | Re: Better deal than VZW Home Fusion Once again it's not really 40 GB. Sure if you're up using the internet between 2 AM and 8 AM every day it is. At any rate Hughesnet $100 plan for 20 GB and 20 "bonus" GB is better than Verizon $90 plan with 20 GB. Verizon is still the winner on latency.
EDIT: I see there is also a $10 equipment see with Hughesnet so that makes it $110. Maybe not so much better than Verizon now. | |
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| variations on a theme.. either your stuck in a broadband black hole in addition to a wireless cellco black hole, and you've got money to burn..
I guess caps & overages as opposed to throttling win the day..
afterall.. like gasoline.. you can buy the first gallon at $2, but after than we have to charge $5 a gallon.. cause ONE gallon will get you nowhere fast.. why not sell everything like that...
Even starbucks can try it.. $4 for your first cup of coffee, and the next refill is $8... | |
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| Thanks, but no thanks. I could push in excess of 60GB a month on the "Basic" plan for the HN9000 by using only 2GB a night in the download zone.
Performance might be better on the new sat for web surfing, but it's still going to be sat.
The page says "DO MORE online than ever before" which figuring I've pumped out 65GB on a "Basic plan" which actually downloads faster than the 1Mbps it's advertised on I would be "DOing LESS".
If I was forced to upgrade or choose Exede I'd probably go with Exede (even though speeds are supposedly sluggish at times) due to the ability to have a time to do updates (OSes, Steam, etc) watch some YouTube perhaps. | |
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Gen4 HughesNet data packages given to the Canadian's. Why is it only the Americans get the Red White and Blue SHAFT!
Notice the 100GB package?
Xplornet - Gen4 reseller in Canada
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| | So, when are the HN-haters going to So, when are the HN-haters going to launch their own satellite and sell insanely cheap and uncapped bandwidth to the masses?
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join:2012-01-26
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kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Better than dial up or VZ LTE My VZW LTE Mifi puck is $50/mo for 5GB of data, and 10/1 certainly beats dial up. Is it FiOS? Of course not but it is hardly crap. Short of gaming and Netflix, it's fine. Kid can do his homework, narcissists and update the Facebook page no one else gives a crap about, they can read some news...typical surfing stuff that can be painful on dialup.
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| Time to subsidize Cable cos. and Telcos that want to expand! Looks like it is time for the broadband grants to go small cable systems that could expand into the country and upgrade there systems to modern HFC technology and subsidize Telco's that will actually build out to the rural areas. Better yet how about the broadband stimulus go towards giving an investor money to bring cable back to the towns that have lost it due to outdated systems. I know of a ton of towns in Texas that have cable systems just sitting there on the poles not used do them being abandoned. | |
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| | | Re: Time to subsidize Cable cos. and Telcos that want to expand! said by motorola870:I know of a ton of towns in Texas that have cable systems just sitting there on the poles not used do them being abandoned.
So what's preventing investors from buying it up? If it's sitting there, then it's worth nothing to the present owner.
Just as an example, Craig McCaw cut his teeth buying up cable systems in little towns. And the dark fiber that was laid during the dot-com bubble also got snapped up pretty quickly. Valuable assets rarely sit around, unless there's something else going on.
I'm wondering if the coax isn't in good enough condition to use, or if the company went bankrupt and the creditors are squabbling in bankruptcy court, or some other thing that prevents the coax from going up for sale. | |
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| Looks more usable than before. Good luck. At least the new plans look more up to date so if you have a large download not to worry as much of going over FAP. One thing I hated with old system was if large file failed during download it still counted. I know you're still limited, but faster speed should hopefully mean fewer errors in downloads.
Better plans. Let's hope tech support is better too. The old HN had daily error notices plus baby-sitting usage monitor. We dropped Hughes back in February in favor of unlimited 3G. May be a bit slower but no more error messages and cheaper too. | |
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Looks more usable than before. Good luck. said by twilitezoe:At least the new plans look more up to date so if you have a large download not to worry as much of going over FAP. One thing I hated with old system was if large file failed during download it still counted. I know you're still limited, but faster speed should hopefully mean fewer errors in downloads.
Better plans. Let's hope tech support is better too. The old HN had daily error notices plus baby-sitting usage monitor. We dropped Hughes back in February in favor of unlimited 3G. May be a bit slower but no more error messages and cheaper too.
Why not get Excede where they have a FAP free period from 12-5 AM? That's potentially 791 GB a month vs 20 GB max for Hughesnet. | |
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| | | Re: I used 40GBs of bandwidth in 5 days. Shhhhh , Al gore will decide you using to much carbon and tax yo azz. | |
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| | Will it really matter? One thing we have to keep in mind is despite all the changes made and relatively few improvements, it probably won't matter. Most people who don't read this site are going to look at the offers that come to them urging them to upgrade and they are going to do so without a second thought. Why? Because Hughes Gen4 offers substantially better speeds and is marketed very cleverly making the daily usage caps look twice as big as they really are. People who are not technically inclined are going to look at these big numbers and think "that sounds a lot bigger than my 250MB cap, where do I signup?" They are going to read the "top 7 reasons" provided by Hughes and they are going to make the jump. They would be foolish not to, it is marketed well. | |
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| | You can get better deal from Sprint and Clear You can get a truly unlimited 4G WiMAX from Sprint and Clear. Way better than crappy satellite. | |
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join:2006-06-13
Faison, NC | Who sat broadband serves I know a lot will look at the prices and data amounts and laugh at the pricing they charge but think for a minute who the customers are that subscribe to the service. It isn't the person with fios, 3g, wisp or anything else available. It is the person who lives where every other option is not available. I have a friend on wildblue and he wants DSL bad, people near him have DSL but so far the telco isn't interested in providing him service. So his options are dialup or satellite. No wisp is interested in the area, too heavily forested and not enough customers.
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join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
kudos:5 | said by ricky_005:This post is to show some clarity on HughesNets Marketing Deceptions.
Ummm....No, your clarity is deceiving.
Their advertising is correct. The old plans ranged from 1.0 Mbps (Mega bits per second) t0 2.0 Mbps.
The new plans give you seven times faster speed for the same price. I'd say that qualifies as a "dramatic improvement of performance". | |
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This will not keep me a customer. My contract with Hughesnet ended a few months ago. As soon as another non satellite internet provider comes to my town I am going with them unless Hughesnet does something about the ridiculous download allowance. | |
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join:2012-05-22
Mayport, PA | ISP generale I think it's hilariously disgusting how slow internet service is in the U.S. compared to France (and Japan) because somehow France made its ISP market more competitive over 10 years ago.
America is the home of corporate oligarchy using working people as slaves. If you don't understand this, you're clueless. How much profit on each sale of service or product is enough? What is clear is that the U.S. market is--in a number of areas--collusive, distorted and sellers are creating THEIR OWN INCENTIVES. Americans are just cattle who pay an arbitrary amount for service X because the rate works well for company x; not because the "free market" is at work.
...and then there's the fact that Americans pay more per capita than any country on Earth for health care and must pay the most for medicines. good job, 'merica. Keep 'em poor n stupid. | |
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