  frankenfeet934 is 10-8Premium
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Gurnee, IL | Re: Sweeden has a Pirate Party? said by frankenfeet:I wonder where they stand on issues like abortion and gun control? You totally missed the bus on that. | |
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CWCville USA | Pirates love to shoot things and rape women, thus they would be pro gun and pro abortion most likely. | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: Sweeden has a Pirate Party? I think stabbing is more thier style. | |
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CWCville USA | Re: Sweeden has a Pirate Party? said by SLD:I think stabbing is more thier style. Yeah!  WITH THEIR PENIS! | |
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| | | We sure do have a "Pirate Party" that is pro-filessharing, and its actually gaining ground, don't think they'll get enough votes to get into the Riksdagen next time but they'll will eventually if the current development continues.
said by frankenfeet:I wonder where they stand on issues like abortion and gun control? In Sweden a woman can end her pregnancy by abortion up until the end of eighteenth getational week if the abortion wouldn't put the woman in serious danger to her life or health due to some illness. However The National Board of Health and Welfare can issue a permit to terminate the pregnancy if a continuation would be a serious danger to a womans life or health no matter how far the pregnancy has progressed.
The majority of Swedish citizens are pro-abortion
When it comes to gun control, In Sweden you need a license for possession of firearms or ammunition, trade firearms,
to run a business that receive firearms for repair or overhaul, and for bringing firearms or ammunition to Sweden.
Don't think we have any groups that want even more strict rules regarding firearms, I'd guess those who're against hunting would say otherwise, but they aren't even close to be a majority of anything really.
said by frankenfeet:More reasons why we should follow the Swiss's lead and make it a criminal matter. Don't know about Switzerland aka Swiss laws on copyright issues, but Swedes took a wrong turn passing and implementing the IPRED law. But in the end, don't think it'll make any difference. The bandwith usage will drop now and possibly more the coming weeks, until people seen how the law plays out, and people are more confident with the technics to anonymize themselves, then it'll get up.
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kudos:1 | Traffic probably drops because Everyone starts researching how to anonymize themselves. | |
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| | hmmm So piracy accounts for a third or so of the bandwidth... More reasons why we should follow the Swiss's lead and make it a criminal matter. Its already criminal to sell bootlegged material here, just add sharing and trading digital copies to the mix. The fear of being in a cell with Bubba or Bertha will restore some order.. | |
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| | | Re: hmmm said by ninjatutle:So piracy accounts for a third or so of the bandwidth... More reasons why we should follow the Swiss's lead and make it a criminal matter. Its already criminal to sell bootlegged material here, just add sharing and trading digital copies to the mix. The fear of being in a cell with Bubba or Bertha will restore some order.. "just add sharing and trading digital copies to the mix"
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1 edit | Re: hmmm Why stop there too. Lets incarcerate all who speak copyrighted phrases or words.
Hey wait a minute, lets put people in jail who have copyrighted DNA, also charge them for using copyrighted DNA on a daily basis.
I think I will copyright the H20 Molecule then you can all pay me for drinking water, or I should say renting it.
Hey I got a better idea, I will copyright and hold the patent for humans hearing frequency and anyone who puts out sound on that range will have to pay me for it.
Britney Spears says: Why is no one buying my CD's.
Record Company: Its pirates fault.
Non Pirate: Why would I even want to listen to your new songs, they suck.
Pirate: If for some reason I cant download your song: I still wont buy it.
If you copyright shrills have a hard time making money, two things.
Go out and get a job, or make better music/movies/software. | |
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| | | | Re: hmmm said by fifty nine:And while we're at it, how about the death penalty for speeding. Why not? Nothing I hate more than drug users. | |
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join:2007-01-11 | Re: hmmm said by ninjatutle: Nothing I hate more than drug users. Hope you weren't having a smoke or drinking coffee while you were typing that.  | |
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|  OmegaDisplaced OhioanPremium
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Cheyenne, WY | said by ninjatutle:So piracy accounts for a third or so of the bandwidth... More reasons why we should follow the Swiss's lead and make it a criminal matter. Its already criminal to sell bootlegged material here, just add sharing and trading digital copies to the mix. The fear of being in a cell with Bubba or Bertha will restore some order.. Our jails are overflowing and you want to send more people to jail for committing a civil offense? Like it or not, downloading music/movies is nothing more than copyright infringement. It doesn't become a criminal offense till you sell it. And newsflash: people commit copyright infringement on a daily basis, both on and offline. | |
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Carmel, IN | Guess we better round up thousands of college kids who photocopy whole chapters out of books at the library while doing research for their classes. Toss them in jail w/ the rapists and murderers too. Yeah that's the ticket. | |
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 ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
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Michigan City, IN | Not so free? Wait..so PirateBay is going to be charging its users for this new technology?
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kudos:18 | Re: Not so free? said by ztmike:Wait..so PirateBay is going to be charging its users for this new technology? Eh, just download a copy!
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| | Copyright shrills can go die. Just wait till the ACTA comes into effect and you happen to forget to take your mp3 player out of you pocket when crossing a border.
Then you will sing a different toon.
Sweden is home to the pirate bay that is why there is a drop in traffic. But I would guess its not all pirates. I personally don't like snoops in my network so I would immediately try to anonimize myself for the fear of getting a false positive and being dragged off to court.
If the ACTA gets its way there will be fines "and" jail time. Then its your word against the stake holder and the stake holder has way more money then you.
Whats gonna happen is that the most illiterate of the net are gonna get nailed and jailed. People will be spoofing IP's to get what they want.
I download a movie off the net and 99% of the time I will go out and purchase it. I don't watch screen's because I personally think it will give me eye cancer.
So I guess in your view I would be a pirate.
Sometimes my household uses 80 gigs a month other months it uses 20 gigs. Don't forget that people were fearing Cornficker virus that was supposed to be hatched yesterday. That might have had to do with the bandwidth drop too. | |
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| | | Re: Copyright shrills can go die. said by cpsycho:I download a movie off the net and 99% of the time I will go out and purchase it. I don't watch screen's because I personally think it will give me eye cancer. What do you do with movies that you download and buy if you don't look at screens because you think they'll give you eye cancer? | |
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| | | | Re: Copyright shrills can go die. I ment screeners. The other 1% are movies I end up deleting after 15 minutes because the suck too much to make it throught the full two hours. | |
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1 edit | Shills!, not shrills. Occasionally shrill, but then copyright left peoples are shrill too. | |
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4 edits | Pirates make the same number of excuses as executives. The difference? None. Pirates are no better then Bernie Madoff, or any executive stealing money.
Pirates say they are stealing a digital copy, so it's not 'stealing'. Thats the same crappy type of excuse an executive gives when they are given handouts. All it is is a bullshit excuse to make them feel better about their greed.
Pirates steal, executives add eccesive drm. In between the struggle for power in between these two douchebags, the ones truly hurt are the ones who make the software, and the legit customers.
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|  IgnitePremium,VIP
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UK | Re: Pirates make the same number of excuses as executives. Feel better now? 
It's not stealing by the way, one is required to deprive another party of something for it to be considered stealing but please do continue I have popcorn | |
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1 edit | Re: Pirates make the same number of excuses as executives. said by Ignite:I don't need to, the law does. Considering your depriving the actual hardworking individuals making the software food for their family, and not the executives, then yes, you are, no matter what you try to do to make youraself feel better.
Regular people working at software companies are losing their jobs EVERY DAY, but of course people like you don't care as long as your in your cozy house stealing from those people. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: Pirates make the same number of excuses as executives. I'd feel bad if this were even remotely true. But, as it's not, I'll continue not wasting money on crap, thank you very much. | |
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| said by Metatron2008:Considering your depriving the actual hardworking individuals making the software food for their family, and not the executives, then yes, you are, no matter what you try to do to make youraself feel better. Really? Maybe you should think that argument through a little more carefully, because you've just equated someone who downloads a copy with someone who chooses not to buy said movie/software etc.
Explain how someone who doesn't buy the DVD / CD / Software etc deprives hardworking individuals of food for their family.
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kudos:4 | said by Ignite:Feel better now? It's not stealing by the way, one is required to deprive another party of something for it to be considered stealing but please do continue I have popcorn Ah, the semantical justification theory. It isn't stealing, therefore it is legit. WRONG!! Call it anything you want, but it is still depriving those who have the rights to a product/service of legitimate and legal income.
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Michigan City, IN | said by Metatron2008:The difference? None. Pirates are no better then Bernie Madoff, or any executive stealing money. Thanks guys, for screwing up the world. Blah blah blah seriously..its getting old.
O and pirates screwing up the world? lol
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| Re: Pirates make the same number of excuses as executives. said by ztmike:said by Metatron2008:The difference? None. Pirates are no better then Bernie Madoff, or any executive stealing money. Thanks guys, for screwing up the world. Blah blah blah seriously..its getting old. O and pirates screwing up the world? lol Pirates AND executives. The world is a giant ponzi scheme right now, people are losing their jobs, and it's due to greed. | |
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| | | | | Re: Pirates make the same number of excuses as executives. BS. nearly all (nearly all since there are non-profits) business exist to MAKE money and continue to stay in business. i bet in many cases people are losing their job can't be justified for their work output at their curreny pay. if a company doesn't actively try to cut costs (which include lay offs) as expenditures rise, they run the risk of bankruptcy and that's even worse. | |
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Gaithersburg, MD | Re: Pirates make the same number of excuses as executives. Pirate ninjas are even worse. They can be right next to you steelin' ur musics and you'd never eeven knowz it! | |
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|  Doctor FourMy other vehicle is a TARDISPremium
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2 edits | Is parroting the media cartels' propaganda all you're capable of doing? | |
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| wow, talk about spreading the FUD and LIES. i'm rooting for the pirates cause they are the ones telling the actors and 'singers' that their content isn't worth $20/cd, +$20/dvd or blu-ray, ~$8/movie at best or just sucks entirely. i laugh at when ever a artist/actor/singer complains about something in their laugh. i a get a chuckle out of most bad things that happen to a artist/actor/singer. they are the low lifes of society, getting paid to contribute little to the development of society.
'stealing' a cd is 'depriving' the 'artist' probably just a couple dollars at most and double that for the MAFIAA. bernie madoff, more or less, 'stole' thousands from a bunch of people, of which that money was an appreciable size to the victim's worth. seems like a fair comparison to me | |
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| |  brandonSome truth included in this post.Premium
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Hurley, MS | Re: Pirates make the same number of excuses as executives. said by cornelius785_nli :
wow, talk about spreading the FUD and LIES. i'm rooting for the pirates cause they are the ones telling the actors and 'singers' that their content isn't worth $20/cd, +$20/dvd or blu-ray, ~$8/movie at best or just sucks entirely. i laugh at when ever a artist/actor/singer complains about something in their laugh. i a get a chuckle out of most bad things that happen to a artist/actor/singer. they are the low lifes of society, getting paid to contribute little to the development of society.
'stealing' a cd is 'depriving' the 'artist' probably just a couple dollars at most and double that for the MAFIAA. bernie madoff, more or less, 'stole' thousands from a bunch of people, of which that money was an appreciable size to the victim's worth. seems like a fair comparison to me
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The difference? None. Pirates are no better then Bernie Madoff, or any executive stealing money.
Perhaps, but I would not have bought it anyway which accounts for most of us, so I did not hurt him, or you, even though you have morale objections to it | |
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4 edits | let's look up stealing . . »www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stealing
'take' doesn't imply physically remove and it is possible to steal an idea or intellectual property without physically removing it.
The facts stand : the industry isn't coming after you for simply downloading . . .they want the 'distributors'
Personally, I choose to support the musicians I enjoy. If I don't have the money, then I don't get the album.
If one attempts to circumvent paying for something they otherwise could not have, that's stealing if the creator of the something doesn't agree to it.. at least in my book. | |
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kudos:2 | So... ...maybe it's time that the business model changes, and adapting according to what the customers want?
The real question must be asked:
Why do people pirate? And does copying information = piracy? | |
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the industry needs to offer a better product - make it good and people WILL pay | |
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| | Like I'd pay for everything I downloaded I would be $20,000 in debts if I would buy everything that I downloaded... maybe more. I don't think that I would be able to live close to decently with the big monthly interests that I would pay for such debt.
In a world where pirating would be impossible, I would simply choose not to buy, as simple as that. There are plenty of other things to do beside buying their stuff, like... playing Counter-Strike Source, Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead... I'm so addicted to the Source games. D: Oh, and unlicensed english subbed anime are legal to download. Yay! Anime! \o/
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| Re: Like I'd pay for everything I downloaded Actually sharpshark if you really wanna get down to it heh Copyright law is international so i am sure these ZOMG your stealing folks will find unlicensed anime somehow theft even though your not even able to purchase it in a languaged u can speak | |
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| | Government sponsored piracy The US military sponsors piracy. Just ask any soldier stationed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Local vendors sell pirated movies on post or very near the front gates. Internet cafes on base do not filter content nor block P2P bit torrents. The U.S. Government is well aware, so maybe MPAA and RIAA should focus on Uncle Sam. | |
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| | 33% drop the net cause it now has no use 33% drop the net cause it now has no use,
That's what the title should be
now think that on average that is about 40-50 USD/month per user lost and lost revenues to ISPS and also tax bases
those people WONT be buying cdrs dvdrs and such so hollywood can laugh and joyfully glee at winning nothing and then they come back and ask for more and more and more and guess what this next time they will be able to say nothing made yo more money OH sorry then why is this needed?
next law will take money form all our paychecks and force us to buy there crap. and then we wont be able to dl it it will be a hollywood tax like unemployment insurance.
Soon there will be no more jobs as taxes will be 99% of all income and hten it all goes poof mad max style WOA. | |
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| | Downloading vs Buying at Inflated Retail Well they could think about better marketing. For instance, if Adobe CS4 were offered for $99.99 as opposed to $2500.00, think about how many folks would just buy it rather than "use" it. If 5,000 people actually bought it before at $2500.00 how many users would you have at $99 bucks, maybe 50,000? Instead of charging so much up front, charge $50 for every help call.
Then there's the obsolete issue where Adobe will announce CS5 later this year so your CS4 is somewhat obsolete. You can understand why some people will DL a program rather than buy it. | |
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