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clubs:  | IRC trading quote:
even more traders fleeing to newsgroups and IRC
IMO It'll take the RIAA forever to start cracking down on IRC users...thats where file trading is going to go. | |
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Xtract
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| Re: IRC trading There are two solutions left that can render a user "still safe".
Multiple privatized networks, or distributed proxying. The RIAA can not hold someone liable for being a proxy for the content that transfers through their machine, but is never stored. If they did, then they could hold ISP's who own routers responsible.
If you're a member of a few privatized networks, you could share your content on those networks. You can choose which "networks" to be a part of, and the network owner can establish a login for you on that network. If a file you want is not on your network, the peers on your network will ask the people on their networks if that file is available, and then proxy the information to you. Kind of complex, but other then compromised IRC hosts, thats really the only way to stay safe. | |
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| Re: IRC trading said by Xtract  :
If they did, then they could hold ISP's who own routers responsible.
Oh, I'm no lawyer, but I'd guess it's fairly easy to make a case that a proxy operating on top of layer 4 is content-aware in a way that a router operating at layer 3 cannot possibly be aware. | |
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| Re: IRC trading But if a person uses multiple proxies, how could you hold the person accountable? They're not sharing the file, but rather just directing traffic to a desired host. Regardless of the layer, even routers can be programmed to filter for certain content (port blocking).
The charges brought against these users are for sharing files that are stored on their own computer. It would take a whole new set of legislation to try a case like this and win. | |
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maartena
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| Re: IRC trading No matter how many proxies one uses, if there is a file on YOUR harddrive, and it is being copied in ANY WAY to the Internet, you are violating the DCMA.
If ANY bytes of a moviefile on your computer LEAVE your computer to the Internet - you are conducting a crime. Owners of proxy servers will be able to track down which IP address was connected at what time. Since proxy owners will simply be presented with a "give us the IP addresses or we will sue YOU for copyright violations" you can be sure that a proxyserver host will gladly give the list up.
Private surfing is one thing. But if crime is involved, even the anonymouse proxies give up their information.
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| Re: IRC trading said by maartena :
But if crime is involved, even the anonymouse proxies give up their information.
I'm sure by now, people already understand the crime involved. People obviously do not care. But what if the anonymous proxies intentionally do not keep logs? You can't get them for destruction of evidence, since technically, the data never existed before the subpoena. | |
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join:2000-10-05
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| said by maartena :
No matter how many proxies one uses, if there is a file on YOUR harddrive, and it is being copied in ANY WAY to the Internet, you are violating the DCMA.
Actually, not.
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If ANY bytes of a moviefile on your computer LEAVE your computer to the Internet - you are conducting a crime.
Also not true.
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Owners of proxy servers will be able to track down which IP address was connected at what time.
Only if they actually have that information. | |
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anomus
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| You seem to have missed the point. Right this very minute, the **aa's are indeed holding the ISPs accountable for the P2P traffic that is infringing. That is why the ISPs send the users those violation leters that are poping up all over threatening disconection. In doing so, the ISPs are then released from legal liability from the activity there system perpetuates. If a private user sets up a proxy service and is caught ferrying illegal material, they are compelled to threaten disconnection and divulge idetification or face legal penalties. Only an off shore buisness location out of the reach of world law hostile to fileshareing can get away with proxy serving for the time being. | |
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| Re: IRC trading ISP's weren't held responsible for the data that went through them, but legislation made them responsible for turning over the information regarding the customer that was.
What if they didn't have that information? That barrier hasn't seemed to be crossed yet. The ISP would only legally be responsible for REFUSING to give information.
You can't subpoena for something that doesn't exist. I can completely understand where you're coming from. I really can, but perhaps its just my curiosity that is causing me to wonder otherwise. | |
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| ["Only an off shore buisness location out of the reach of world law hostile to fileshareing can get away with proxy serving for the time being."]
Which is why I know people who use a n offshore opeation called EarthStation5, which I have looked at and the provide an intersting alternative that appears to be able to thwart the RIAA using DMCA to crack donw on their users. | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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Etheria | Re: IRC trading There will always be the underground. The RIAA/MPAA doesn't care about the underground, they care about filesharing becoming widespread.
My solutions were regarding those who wish to fileshare in a widespread community. | |
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mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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| Re: IRC trading Too late, it already is...
What are they gonna do when there'll be 10-15 million people on kazaa sharing? There's definatly something wrong with RIAA/MPAA if there's gonna be that many people.
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Speedy8
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| Re: IRC trading IMO it's because people like getting stuff for free and they don't view downloading files as "stealing". Because you aren't physically taking something from someone and they still have a copy of it. Right or wrong there will always be many people who think that way. Plus you have to take into account that a majority of the stuff being downloaded the people would have never bought anyway. I do buy some movies and games, but I'm not going to say I don't download anything, because theres some stuff I wouldn't buy otherwise.
Of course some people will say that's not right, but if I still buy the stuff I normally pay for I don't see the problem. | |
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| Re: IRC trading You can't have your cake and eat it to. The fact that it's easier to get away with stealing doesn't make it right... no matter how much you try to rationalize it; furthermore, most developers (music, software, whatever) do not download copyrighted objects from the net... perhaps because they have a little bit more respect for creative rights. | |
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even more traders fleeing to newsgroups and IRC
IMO It'll take the RIAA forever to start cracking down on IRC users...thats where file trading is going to go.
That's what people said about eDonkey and bittorrent. The fact is that you are not untouchable, no matter where you are. Thieves are going to be caught. | |
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F walker
Hey Intern, Get Me A Campari
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clubs: | I have begun to use Nullsoft's Waste Client (»sourceforge.net/projects/waste/) more and more. Privatized small networks are getting to be the safest way to share. | |
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clubs: | IRC...the best I am sticking to IRC for my movie downloads. | |
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| Re: IRC...the best I have to admint... IRC is the best i've seen for sharing... but.. let me tell you this... Comcast sent me this exact letter at the top of this thread.. they identified me via ip and serve name and has got me to think of better ways to keep this forum ( irc) going... my feeling is you've got to find a better mouse trap...  | |
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| Re: IRC...the best said by jimraelee :
I have to admint... IRC is the best i've seen for sharing... but.. let me tell you this... Comcast sent me this exact letter at the top of this thread.. they identified me via ip and serve name and has got me to think of better ways to keep this forum ( irc) going... my feeling is you've got to find a better mouse trap...
If I may add my .02, but IRC stinks for file sharing. I have no idea how people can put up with the ego maniacs that troll there. And the offer bots with 10,000 people lined up to get file 1 of a 60 file movie/game. Plus, that person in front of you is ALWAYS downloading at 6k/sec. Before IRC can be *THE* place for file sharing, the folks who run the offer bots need to let you que up a single ZIP file which contains the bin/cue files only and if you can't maintain an xfer rate of like 50K/sec or better, you get dumped within 5 seconds of the transfer starting. I mean, who has time to que up 1 or two files....wait DAYS to get back in line and get another 2 files. | |
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| I'm not stating that nobody else knows.. What I'm saying is that the more public attention one brings to a medium the more leechers will follow hence forcing the issue. Corporations then tend to focus on the popular mediums because those mediums are potentially making them lose profits... So they send their lobbyists to washington to line pockets of several of their political representatives in office to attempt to have their wishes fulfilled..
So everytime you make one of those "I use mIRC for all my downloads posts" you're really just shooting yourself in the foot and drawing more attention to the issue..
Yes you are a dumbass... | |
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| Re: IRC...the best Keep proclaiming ignorance to an issue and sooner or later it will show up right in front of your face.. Just because there's an initial learning curve to a medium doesn't mean everyone will give up if all easier mediums have been taken away.. You severely underestimate your average joe leecher despite what level of skill or proficiency they posses. Most just find a way to get on line with one click app IRC aids like bottler, packet search engines, or obtain help on message boards.. Leechers will do whatever it takes and learn the least amount of knowledge required to fulfill their apetites.. I've seen this happen time and time again when kazaa, audiogalaxy, and napster were ruined. When bittorrent goes down where do you think people will go next.. I doubt they'll be going back to winmx or other similar p2p crap...
By all means please keep on trying to backup your argument. You really haven't seen the change for the worse in the past couple years to IRC as a result of publicity and people bragging.. If you had considered this recent trend you'd probably have stfu already, but then again people who have to brag usually don't care more about the medium than they do about themselves... | |
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join:2003-10-01 | Re: IRC...the best Sab since you opened your mouth about IRC AND the EASY programs you can get to use it,(letting all the 'leechers' know) I think you defeated your original point... now, let me ask you, who is the dumb-ass? | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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| Bittorrent? Has anyone actually seen a letter stating that bit-torrent was a target? In that thread (the last time I read it) someone just jumped on and said "I got a letter for using Bit-torrent" without even a copy, paste of the actual letter. If there is someone please point me to the thread.
I find it hard to believe that they are going after BT users, unless it was somebody running a tracker that got the letter.
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Combat Chuck
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| Re: Bittorrent? You mean they were attempting to run a tracker? I hadn't thought of that.
I doubted that they would worry about BT because it's a significantly more difficult undertaking to find torrents than it is to find files in Kazaa; but if they were to host a tracker...they'd have a nice list of IP's and they'd know exactly what they were dl'ing.
Not that I'm worried since I use BT to dl other things.
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| Book Of Armaments - I could point you to this thread.... I got the following letter in July; can't remember which site I was downloading from. Haven't had issues since...
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Dear Customer,
We are writing on behalf of Cox Communications to advise you that we have received a notification that you are using your Cox High Speed Internet service to post or transmit material that infringes the copyrights of a complainant's members. We have included a copy of the complaint letter. Pursuant to the provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA"), which is codified at 17 U.S.C. § 512, upon receiving such notification, Cox is required to "act expeditiously to remove, or disable access to" the infringing material in order to avoid liability for any alleged copyright infringement. Accordingly, Cox will suspend your account and disable your connection to the Internet within 24 hours of your receipt of this email if the offending material is not removed.
Please be aware that the DMCA also provides procedures by which a subscriber accused of copyright violation can respond to the allegations of infringement and, under certain circumstances, cause his or her account to be reinstated. To do so, however, the response must meet certain criteria. Pursuant to section (g) of the DMCA (17 U.S.C. § 512(g)), you have the right to submit to Cox a counter-notification which, to be effective, must include the following elements:
(a) a physical or electronic signature of the subscriber;
(b) identification of the material that has been removed or to which access has been disabled and the location at which the material appeared before it was removed or disabled;
(c) a statement under penalty of perjury that the subscriber has a good faith belief that the material was removed or disabled as a result of mistake or misidentification of the material to be removed or disabled;
(d) the subscriberÂ’s name, address, and telephone number and a statement that the subscriber consents to the jurisdiction of the Federal District Court for the judicial district in which the address is located.
In the event that you submit to Cox a counter-notification that includes these elements, Cox will forward your counter notification to the complainant and advise them that Cox will cease disabling access to the allegedly infringing material in ten (10) business days. Unless the complainant notifies us that it has filed an action seeking a court order to restrain you from engaging in the allegedly infringing activity prior to the expiration of those ten (10) business days, Cox will reactivate your account.
Sincerely,
The Cox Abuse Team
--- The following material was provided to us as evidence ---
[Part 0 (plain text)]
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: xxxx
Re: Unauthorized Use of Universal Motion Pictures
Notice ID: xxxxxx
Dear Sir or Madam:
Universal City Studios Productions LLLP and its affiliated companies (collectively, "Universal") are the exclusive owners of copyrights in many motion pictures, including the motion pictures listed below.
It has come to our attention that Cox Communications Inc. is the service provider for the IP address listed below, from which unauthorized copying and distribution (downloading, uploading, file serving, file "swapping" or other similar activities) of Universal’s motion picture(s) listed below is taking place. We believe that the Internet access of the user engaging in this infringement is provided by Cox Communications Inc. or a downstream service provider who purchases this connectivity from Cox Communications Inc..
This unauthorized copying and distribution constitutes copyright infringement under Section 106 of the U.S. Copyright Act . Depending upon the type of service Cox Communications Inc. is providing to this IP address, it may have legal and/or equitable liability if it does not expeditiously remove or disable access to the motion picture(s) listed below, or if it fails to implement a policy that provides for termination of subscribers who are repeat infringers (see, 17 U.S.C. §512).
Despite the above, Universal believes that the entire Internet community benefits when these matters are resolved cooperatively. We urge you to take immediate action to stop this infringing activity and inform us of the results of your actions. We appreciate your efforts toward this common goal.
The undersigned has a good faith belief that use of the motion pictures in the manner described herein is not authorized by Universal, its agent or the law. The information contained in this notification is accurate. Under penalty of perjury, the undersigned is authorized to act on behalf of Universal with respect to this matter.
Please be advised that this letter is not and is not intended to be a complete statement of the facts or law as they may pertain to this matter or of Universal’s positions, rights or remedies, legal or equitable, all of which are specifically reserved.
Very truly yours,
xxxxx xxxxxxx
Manager of Internet Anti-Piracy,
Worldwide Anti-Piracy Operations
VIVENDI UNIVERSAL ENTERTAINMENT.
xxx Universal City Plaza
Universal City, CA xxxxx
tel. (xxx) xxx-xxxx
fax (xxx) xxx-xxxx
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*pgp public key is available on the key server at ldap://keyserver.pgp.com Notice ID: xxxxxx
Title: 2 Fast 2 Furious
Infringement Source: BitTorrent
Infringer Username: None
Infringing Filename: 2.Fast.2.Furious.INTERNAL.SVCD
Infringing Filesize: xxxxxxxxxx
Infringers IP Address: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Infringers DNS Name: N/A
Infringing URL: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:xxxx/2.Fast.2.Furious.INTERNAL.SVCD | |
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CamFortner
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Downey, CA | Re: Bittorrent? I got one of these letters from Comcast, what steps did you take exactly.
My dad got the notice today and shat a brick. | |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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| Much Better Approach I like this approach much better than the RIAA's sue-you-till-you're-dead approach. These kinds of letters at least inform you if you didn't know already that what you're doing is wrong, and gives you a chance to stop doing it before you really do get in trouble. While the tone of the letter may be a bit callous, its certainly a much better thing to receive than a summons for a court appearance.
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| Re: Much Better Approach said by pnh102 :
While the tone of the letter may be a bit callous, its certainly a much better thing to receive than a summons for a court appearance.
Actually, I think these letters are more of a precursor to a court appearance. If you get this letter then it means that the RIAA has already caught you (or claims to have caught you) trading in pirated songs. Comcast is just informing you so you can delete any illegal copies you have, protest the release of your personal information, and/or contact a lawyer. Otherwise, your first indication would be the papers arriving summoning you to court.
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| This was NOT the RIAA As noted in the Comcast HSI thread, this was not from the RIAA. The person who received the letter had downloaded a copy of an anti-virus program that he wished to try out and then removed the prog from his pc when he decided not to use it. Apparently the program contacted the vendor to update/verify. The vendor noted that this was not a legal copy and then contacted his ISP. Let's not start another bash the RIAA thread, the topic is getting pretty old...
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aliasrlz
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| all they are.... All they are doing is forcing people to learn newsgroups, IRC, or get on a private, secure, IP restricted network. They are merely pushing it further underground, or making the average joe smoe go underground.
This won't accomplish anything but make it more difficult to catch people... so they are shooting themselves in the foot. While it may temporarily deter massive file-trading on the public p2p, the users will just learn & move somewhere else. Once the cat is out of the bag (so to say), there is no going back.
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Sent By Grocery Clerks
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| Re: all they are.... The harder it is to share files (i.e. pushing it further underground), means that fewer "normal" people will go through the trouble of getting and sharing files.
And I do believe there is legislation being discussed right now that will make it illegal to cache or proxy illegal content, even if you don't know that your hardware is being used to do so... I believe it was in an MPAA related news story listed in the news stories here on DSLR a few days ago.
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| Re: all they are.... Casheing is an inovation the internet needs to boost performance in the comming years. Microsoft and other internet inovators wont allow laws that penalise caching and cashing in general cant be monitored without a huge impact on network economy and performance. The laws will simply be strengthened to make clear if you do it you will go to jail. As always, it will be left up to private partys to catch you and press the charges. | |
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| its still going to happen The masses have gotten a taste of free and they sure as hell aren't gonna want to go back. All thats going to happen is one guy who knows what he is doing is going to download all the new cds and movies and just burn them on cd for his friends. Everyone knows its out there now, they are gonna find it if they want it. | |
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join:2002-12-07
Rochester, NY | Re: KDX, Hotline, FTP, Firstclass, Etc... Direct Connect also.....
Don't you have to pay for Hotlines these days? | |
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join:2003-03-19
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| Re: KDX, Hotline, FTP, Firstclass, Etc... yes those are good alternatives... but... the problem is the fact there not as widely available as Kazaa or irc.. with irc and Kazaa you have a software app doing the searching for you... if for say i use ftp... I have to log into a certain ftp account/ip address to search my self on a particular title.. more time means more work... means less ppl will want to do the searching/sharing. Think about this... isn't it nice to go to a restaurant and order off a menu that is given to you... rather than walk thru a grocery store and search for items to make into a meal???? | |
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Snakeoil
Taxes are Armed robbery.
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·RoadRunner Cable
| Perhaps the users are taking the wrong path? Maybe fleeing to other P2P programs, newsgroups, IRC isn't a good way to avoide the RIAA or MPAA.
Instead why not just "trade" Cds at a local parking lot and dump the internet all together.
The service providers are in a tighter spot then the users [subscribers]. They need X number of users to keep their rates down and their profits up. If enough users get smart and bail out of the internet all together, then the providers may finally find a backbone and stand up against the MPAA and RIAA, well if not them, then at least against the DMCA.
The real "evil" is the DMCA. I have read a few "horror" stories about its power.
The RIAA and MPAA can't really be blamed for trying to get the money that is rightly due them. I mean how would you feel ifyou and your family spent 1000 hours producing a "hot" musical movie. Then you showed it in a theater and put it up for sale. Then instead of the money rolling in, you see illegal copies of it floating around on the net and out in the streets.
I tend to think you'd either:
1]Hire someone to get your money for you.
2]Never make another movie again.
So yes the RIAA and MPAA are in the right in trying to recover stolen money. Its their tactics which need to "refined".
But like i said, if enough P2P users drop their internet accounts [as if that would happen], then the ISPs would have to do something to maintain its income.
I had one Broadband sales person tell me that I should get their DSL service because then I could download large files really fast when compared to dail up. That was back at the start of the DSL craze.
I seem to remember a few ISPs even saying that in their ads...
I wonder if they'll still say that..
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eco
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| PeerGuardian I also recieved one of these letters about downloading a movie using bit torrent. Since then, I've downloaded a program called PeerGuardian, which is basically a program with a massive database of IP addresses and filters out known addresses of people like the RIAA, BayTSP, etc. Since installing this program, I've seen multiple connections blocked out. A couple of them from Sony (which owns the rights to the movie I downloaded) and from BayTSP as well.
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| Re: PeerGuardian peerguardian is almost worthless. It can't keep up with the IP's being used to scan. you are not 100% safe using peer guardian. Yes, it will block some IP's, but not all.
Sony can hire a contractor who has an IP that pg doesn't know about. By the time the IP is added to the database, 1,000's of IP's could be scanned and logged.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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| Well, if they are going after people using BT, PeerGuardian is only going to protect you if the tracker running a particular torrent is using it. Otherwise they can get your IP from the tracker, which freely hands out a list of IP's of clients currently DL'ing (and subsequently uploading) a file.
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Too Many Cannibals
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Erie, PA | Re: PeerGuardian Granted you have a much better chance of getting away with it (or getting a lesser punishment) if they can't actually dl any parts from you.
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get it here
»azureus.sourceforge.net/ | |
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zipjay
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Louisville, KY | Heres how to solve the problem once and forall!! ok if downloading is not the problem then just let people overseas share the music, movies, whatever and let americans download then bam.. hahaha!
warez sites already do this.. | |
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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·Bright House
| suprise, suprise It doesn't surprise me that Comcast made the news again. It seems like Comcast will give your personal information out to anyone. I know, I know people are going to say that the people who file share deserve everything they get. I guess I could say the same thing about people buying music when the RIAA and some music stores got caught for price fixing.
I am not here to defend one or the other. All I am here to say it seems that Comcast privacy policy is a farce. Not because Comcast is answering subpoenas but because they are releasing the information so easily. Doesn't seem like there are safeguards in place to make sure people's information is not just being handed out to just anyone and in a responsible manner. | |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| Re: suprise, suprise quote:
Information Use and Disclosure
Comcast uses personally identifiable information collected on the Service as necessary to render the Service and to:
* install, operate, support, and maintain the Service;
* confirm that you are receiving the service requested and are properly billed for it;
* identify you when changes are made to your Service account;
* make you aware of new products or services that may be of interest to you;
* detect unauthorized reception, use, or abuse of the Service;
* determine whether there are violations of any applicable policies and terms of service;
* manage the Service network;
* configure cable modems and/or other cable service-related devices; and
* comply with law.
Spells it out quite clearly for this instance
The DMCA is law. You can't expect Comcast to risk losing their (and their investors) money, and potentially having to shut down service to their other customers; so you can break the law with impunity.
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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·Bright House
| You didn't seem to get my point. I wasn't defending file sharers, I was merely stating that Comcast has no safeguards and will give your personal information out to anyone.
If you break the law then you have to face the consequences. Though under the DMCA, anyone can file a subpoena to get your personal information and the company has to give it. A person doesn't even need proof when they they file a subpoena under the DMCA, just an assumption that someone else was breaking the law. Then if the presumption is false, the person who filed the subpoena still has your personal information and can do what ever they want with it. Even the police can't get your personal information without having at least some proof.
What happens if the owner of the computer wasn't actually doing the downloading? I bet if you weren't around, someone would be able to use your computer to download music and burn it onto a cd without you even knowing. Then you would get that nasty letter from the RIAA saying you were downloading music and we are going to sue you. Of course you weren't the person doing the downloading but that don't matter to the RIAA or Comcast.
That's why there is checks and balances with the court of law so something like this never happens. | |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| Disinterested The RIAA/MPAA(whateverother AA) arent interested in IRC. many of the good places are invite only or keyed. the media gestapos are interested in the one stop shop with millions of files available. with IRC most of the fruit is too high up in the tree to even bother with.
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RIAA CAN KISS MY ss
@adelphia.net
| It still won't work... The funniest thing is the arguement that sharing reduces revenues. Tell that to the Grateful Dead. They have allowed folks to record CONCERTS and trade swap sell etc. Know what it did for em? Made em the MOST profitable band in HISTORY. The RIAA is a bunch of whiney lawyers that enjoy suing the elderly and children. They need to be curbed.
"... The rock music group The Grateful Dead figured this out in the 1970s and 1980s: they encouraged fans to distribute bootleg versions of their concerts. The result was that by the time that they were getting ready to disband, their billings were approaching USD $47 million annually. That's a pretty impressive intellectual property for a bunch of old rockers."
»shore.com/commentary/newsanal/it···leg.html | |
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TekkaManBladeX
@attbi.com
| reply What if the users of BT or Kazaa are overseas? Maybe some lunatic in Sweden decides to build a giant cluster that holds massive amounts of data and rents a cheap, fast line? He just turns on BT and Kazaa. People transfer to him and he sends out the files. Would the RIAA or the motion picture people be able to do anything?
Also, if there are any good programmers out there, code up a version of BT that masks IP's and makes it more anonymous. I don't THINK that it'd be that hard to do. | |
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Offsetx800
@hes-cres.charterpipe
| Re: reply Sweden's laws might be even worse than the US.
»yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/06/18/23···tml?tid=
That above was posted in June. I don't know if the law went into effect.
There is only one country in the free world where coyright law has not been agreed to by treaty. | |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | www.DMCATHIS.com
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RaidHHI
@chartertn.net
| Ah Hell... Hillarious. IRC has been around for eons; and it's harder then you might think to report a system and expect to get away with it. FTP servers do maintain logs; and serious leechers who are on questionable domains could have all sorts of nasty things happen to them. IRC is a hackers heaven, options are available for individuals who wish to deal with... narcs and otherwise hostile persons. I sincerely hope the recording/movie industries are aware of the potential risk they invite by visiting.
Nice place, btw.... | |
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7346245vyaerfcgzsdfc
@38.118.x.x
| Re: Ah Hell... Nasty things? lol, even if you could make their computer physically explode, it's not like they can't just buy another one. I seriously doubt the pcs used are used for any other office work or anything, so theres no risk of any damage to them at all from irc kiddie m0rons. | |
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radem
join:2001-05-31
Hanover Park, IL
| Looking for the host of specific files | |
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Kingdea
@rr.com
| Fair Warning? This is interesting because the RIAA have been suing kazaa users but comcast is not even threatening any action except suspension of account? Sounds to me like its Comcast that is doing its own scans and trying to get its users to stop sharing illegal content before the real authorities get a hold of them and they get in real trouble. Its sort of like a fair warning to cease and desist? | |
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Fluke-1
@nortelnetworks.com
| Re: Fair Warning? It's simply amazing how much 'free' work the government will do for a industry that has had it's head up it's ass for a century. The only people that should be investigating and stuff is the entertainment industry. But guaranteed the 'people' are footing the tab for the entertainment industry. All they do in the process is generate newer/smarter ways of hiding it all. Edonkey and stuff is a result of Napster being taken down, when Edonkey is gone, something else will come or or they go to IRC. The thing to focus on here is who is footing the tab for all these investigations. Is this where you wanted your tax dollar going??? | |
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