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South Williamson, KY | Next up... TSA approved shoes that allow the x-ray machine to look easily at your feet so you don't have to take them off... | |
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Next up... Make their own line of clothing and get some celebrity to sponsor it.
dumbs would throw money at it. | |
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|  C0deZer0Oc'D To Rhythm And PolicePremium
join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL | What do you expect?
The TSA was formed as the behest of the FAA; it's their blank check for excusing away decades of incompetence at the part of airliners and airports. Only now if they don't like you, they can call you a "terrlst" and send you to pound-me-in-the-ass maximum security prison and you'd have no recourse, a criminal record, and all the other lovely rights taken away for now becoming a felon.
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| | | | Re: Next up... Would you care to give an example where this has happened? | |
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join:2001-10-03
Davenport, FL
1 edit | Re: Next up... Not too recently @ Orlando International, I do remember one "incident" where they'd locked down a whole gate of flights for about two hours and wanted to arrest this guy because he had an Apple TiBook (Titanium-based powerbook), thinking that it was some kind of nuclear device.  It finally took some officer to show up and point out that the notebook's shell was made with titanium, and not of any danger to anyone.
Thousands of people held up for hours, half a dozen flights cancelled (more of them delayed) and one guy about to have a criminal record because some TSA guy too stupid to work anywhere else didn't know that notebooks used to be made with that kind of material back then. And of course the FAA just said it was taking "necessary precautions to protect its passengers."
Why else do you think Apple hasn't been doing Titanium-based notebooks anymore? It isn't because aluminum looks/feels all that much better. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Next up... Yes, that does suck for the guy, however my point is, the incompetent worker didn't know about the titanium, so they did question it. This is not deeming someone a terrorist, nor does it come close to your pound me in the ass max security prison. I am not saying it is a picnic to go through airport security, but I think you should check your facts before spilling them out as truths. To my knowledge, the only people deemed as terrorist from airline incidents are truly terrorists.
Lets recap as to why some of the rules are in place:
Shoes: Idiot was trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his shoes.
Sharp objects: Thats pretty obvious - and most people agree with this. Even though some don't know, you can carry small scissors, screwdrivers (under 7"), etc...
Liquids over 3oz - England incident to use liquid explosives.
Contrary to your belief, the rules are there for the passenger's safety. | |
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Duluth, GA | Re: Next up... said by Go Tarheels:Lets recap as to why some of the rules are in place: Shoes: Idiot was trying to blow up a plane with explosives in his shoes. Liquids over 3oz - England incident to use liquid explosives. Contrary to your belief, the rules are there for the passenger's safety. Well I guess it is lucky that the shoe bomber didn't try to light his underwear on fire then, eh?
I can't believe you are actually defending TSA, probably the worst run government agency we have ever seen.
Btw, what is to stop 4 people from smuggling 3 oz. of liquid explosive each on the plane and then combining it?
The 3 oz. liquid restriction is so stupid and useless.
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Rosendale, NY
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| So why not just tell people to strip down to their skin, so that they could see if they were sneaking on anything?
One person decides to blow up a plane with explosives in his shoes, one 'plot' that was proven unfeasible, to use liquid explosives, and EVERYONE has to pay?
Come on. If you can't see that it is the administration's way of making you be afraid, than you are blind.
I can, however agree with large pointy things.
Personally, I think it would be interesting to watch the airport gates, if everyone going onto a plane, had to go on in the raw. It sure would be a good reason to have the airlines not charge customers those stupid baggage charges.
At any rate, I'll take surface transport every time.
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: Next up... They're either blind or performing a self cavity search with their head up their ass.
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| | | | | | | | said by roc5955:If you can't see that it is the administration's way of making you be afraid, than you are blind. How soon you have forgotten, and you are from NY. Just amazing... | |
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Rosendale, NY Reviews:
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| Re: Next up... said by Go Tarheels:said by roc5955:If you can't see that it is the administration's way of making you be afraid, than you are blind. How soon you have forgotten, and you are from NY. Just amazing... You see... they have you believing in their fear thing. It works a good portion of the time.
Come on... Yeah, I am from NY. I also read the news... ALL the news. I do know that Bush was warned about an attack several times before it happened. The administration KNEW that there was an attack coming, and did NOTHING!
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| Re: Next up... said by Go Tarheels:Please provide proof that our gov't knew of this particular attack and then show that they did "nothing". If your proof of nothing, is that the attack happened, that does not suffice. just go to »www.downingstreetmemo.com/ and you will find all the proof that Bush wanted to attack Iraq, and wanted an excuse for it.
check »tinyurl.com/6gnuxb to see that Bush was, in fact, warned of the oncoming attack. For crying out loud, it's general knowledge, unless your only source of news is Fox.
No, they didn't do nothing, they let it happen on purpose, so that they could drive up the price of oil, and take back Iraq's oil for their corporate contributors. Corporations that were driven out while Hussein was in power. Want proof, just google it, and go to the reliable sources, NOT the US media, but reliable foreign media, because the US mainstream media has been working part and parcel, in cahoots with this administration.
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| | | | | | |  JoeOnSunsetDoublethink Is Doubleplus Ungood.Premium
join:2002-11-25
Ormond Beach, FL | Hey Golfer, what do you eat for breakfast? How do you get to work in the morning?
Since heart disease and traffic accidents are far and away more dangerous to you--and every other American--than terrorism, is there some particular reason you're not screaming to expand the FDA's power to include deciding at-will how much red meat Americans can eat?
There are two reasons, actualy, and they both have to do with fundamental human behavior. One is our poor ability to guage relative risk. The other is our innate desire to have an enemy to hate. These are biological imperatives.
Of course, one of the most important things we can do as a species is use another of our fundamental human attributes--the ability to reason--to override our instincts.
So, the next time sitting around having a couple beers with your buddies, talking about America and filled with emotion and a sense of unity over sharing a common enemy, think about this: You're never going to meet a terrorist, but that gut of yours is going to kill you. | |
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I am not sure what your argument is here? Lets not even worry about security checks at airports??? Do you think this is what most Americans want? If you do, you are sadly lost in this DSLR world. Wow - you are drinking some of the kool-aid. | |
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The Federal Aviation Administration is an agency of the Department of Transportation, created in 1958 by the Federal Aviation Act.
TSA is a Department of Homeland Security, as you may or may not know DHS was created November 25 2002.
But don't take my word for it do your own homework, here are some quick links to get you started:
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAA
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Littlestown, PA | said by zipjay:TSA approved shoes that allow the x-ray machine to look easily at your feet so you don't have to take them off... No need, they are already implementing machines that will see thru em.
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMMXO_GmWw0
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Irvine, CA | We'll see FTA:
"A bag that is produced by the manufacturer and presents a clear image during testing does not automatically mean that the same bag, when used by a passenger, will not alarm. Why? If there is room in the laptop compartment to store other items, such as a power cord, a passenger may choose to do so. Designs must guide passenger behavior or passengers must be notified by the manufacturer on how to use the bag in the way it was intended."
So you are still at the whim of the TSA with a GED as to whether your bag will be allowed. I'll still just take it out, until this nonsense ends.
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Grafton, WV | Re: We'll see And that would be a part-time TSA employee with a GED... I have not yet seen ANY fulltime TSA jobs posted. | |
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| | | | Re: We'll see once again poke fun at the employee who is doing what they are instructed to do. if you complaint bring it to your representative..
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00000 | Re: We'll see the point is how can you expect top notch security from low tier (hourly rate, education) workers? there's no such thing as a free lunch. and cheap lunches aren't always good enough to prevent terrorist attacks...
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CWCville USA | Re: We'll see Not to mention the fact that the idiots they deal with on an hourly basis slowly drive them insane. It's like cops in big cities, they start out wanting to make a difference, then they just want to get through the day, then they want revenge.
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Brooklyn, NY | said by i1me2ao:once again poke fun at the employee who is doing what they are instructed to do. if you complaint bring it to your representative.. WTF are you talking about? Those utter retards @ TSA, who are way too stupid to do anything else then fuckin bag checking and too retarded to recognize an Apple laptop? 
F*ck'em all, they are f*ckin WORTHLESS.
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| Re: We'll see like any job there are morons. but the system takes people that want to do a good job and beats them down until they are drooling idiots. but the main problem with the tsa is the administration and political influences. the way to resolve is write your representative and not take out on someone trying to sift through and do there job..
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Irvine, CA | Yep. I fly every two weeks or so. We're at thier mercy.
It's not thier fault per se. But you can't find skilled people willing to that job.
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Something recent in the news I missed?
Just heroin would be good, enough? | |
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| | | Re: Why the crack about "Indonesian" heroin? said by nekote:Why Indonesia? Something recent in the news I missed? Just heroin would be good, enough? I guess you don't understand KB's sarcasm or the need for it in his "news." | |
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kudos:1 | Why not afghan Heroin? | |
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| | TSA laptop checks Europe did away with taking Laptops out of bags ages ago. Are the TSA saying their equipment is substandard to Europe? | |
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| ropeguruPremium
join:2001-01-25
Grafton, WV | Re: TSA laptop checks said by eruo traveller :
Europe did away with taking Laptops out of bags ages ago. Are the TSA saying their equipment is substandard to Europe?
No, it is TSA that is sub standard.. | |
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Europe did away with taking Laptops out of bags ages ago. Are the TSA saying their equipment is substandard to Europe?
Europe instead will swipe the bags with explosive detection swabs, a process that takes longer. Also every flight where I was reentering the US required me to take the laptop out of the bag at the second screening point, yet they use the same machines. | |
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| ieolusSupport The Clecs
join:2001-06-19
Duluth, GA | Yet I had to remove my laptop in Paris last week... | |
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join:2001-06-21
Houston, TX | Re: TSA laptop checks And I had to remove mine in Amsterdam recently. | |
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| | Checkpoint-friendly "bag" ... heroin smuggling? Why, oh, why am I thinking of a "bag" to be used on those who are suspected of "muleing" heroin the old-fashioned way, when an x-ray proves inconclusive?
They must have hired Michael Kenyon as a screener!
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| | Nah I think I'll just put some extreme porn or nasty scatological pictures on my desktop to make my being inconvenienced for bullshit reasons a bit more inconveniencing to someone else.
Then I'll stash the pirated stuff somewhere else, like on a flash mp3 player, or set up my personal FTP to re-download what I need when abroad.  | |
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join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
1 edit | Don't expect compliance any time soon.... I am happy to see this, however, the degree to which this is "allowed" will vary from airport to airport.
You're still going to find quite a few, for quite a while who won't know about the regulation nor allow you to put it through regardless of the bag style.
Mainly it's easier for them to just say "take it out."
But that's how they are, "local" rules get made up all the time regardless of what the real TSA policy is. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Don't expect compliance any time soon.... said by GlobalMind:But that's how they are, "local" rules get made up all the time regardless of what the real TSA policy is. There aren't "local" rules, there are no rules. Its called "secret law", the Soviets were pioneers of it.
»www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/11···e-court/ | |
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| | Not to be a pain in the side but what does this have to do with BB? or am i missing something here? | |
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|  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
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Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Re: Not to be a pain in the side but said by hayabusa3303:what does this have to do with BB? or am i missing something here? It has to do with technology, a subject that this website also focuses on. | |
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| | Homeland Security = New Gestapho I have first hand experience of the incompetence and total lack of respect for an AMERICAN'S civil liberties these jack booted thugs have shown. And now they have the balls to tell us they have an 'approved' back so I can carry my notebook (which, btw, is boot sector encrypted), through their checkpoints. I have ZERO problem with going through security clearance, to make sure I have no drugs/weapons/etc. But that's the limit of what I will let them do. Those small penis, power hungry thugs abuse their power to try and make an american citizen feel unwelcome in THEIR OWN COUNTRY, and I dread to think how they treat a foreigner who is coming over here to spend money. So this so called 'approved' bag is nothing but a shallow attempt to throw the spotlight off their ILLEGAL tactics of violating the 4th ammendment in order to placate the american sheeple.
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Limbo | Not buying a new bag. Sorry, I'm keeping my laptop backpack. I've seen the "TSA Friendly" designs and they may make putting it through the scanner easier but they're not very ergonomic and they're sure as hell not as versatile or comfortable as a backpack.
I'll just keep taking it out like I always have until they tell us we've got to use the style mandated by der fuhrer.
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| | TSA & CPAP's I'm fine with taking my laptop out, whatever. What bugs me is that I have to remove my CPAP, which is packed in two parts (in two small padded bags) inside a larger carrying case. Each time I go through security, I have to pull out the two main parts, put them in their own bin (I'm up to 3 bins now: laptop, shoes & belt and CPAP) through the xray machine the TSA guys rub their little swab over it and put the swab in the explosives detector. Did they get a memo saying that people were going to disguise a bomb as a CPAP? Why isn't an in-bag x-ray good enough? Why does it have to be swabbed every time (TSA guy told me it was policy to swab CPAP's every time. I hate lugging it with me, but damn it makes a world of difference in my sleep.
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Wyoming, MI | Another dumb solution to a non problem This is just another dumb solution to a non problem. I travel around the world alot, and find that one incident can screw the rest of us. I don't blame the daily TSA inspector. They are doing their jobs in following orders on borderline violating your right to privacy. It's the angels in the glass towers I can't stand. I can now fly into Hong Kong, go through a security checkpoint as a foreign national and not even talk to a single person inside the Hong Kong SAR as I travel to the mainland border checkpoint as I enter China. In the US, they setup invasive rules that really aren't doing much to protect you. In China, here they can spot a lighter in my bag full of electronics such as phones, usb drives, cables and power supplies.
Are you really telling me that people NEED to take of their jackets and sweatshirts to the barest layer above underwear? The TSA is terrible at implementing rules. This is just like the dumb ass questions they used to ask you about packing your own bags.
The solution is to randomly change the inspection requirements. Sometimes make people take off their shoes, others take out your laptop and maybe even turn it on. Others, maybe your phone. Random inspections keep people from trying things without having you to do a half strip tease and open bag search. It's demeaning, and one of the biggest reasons I hate flying.
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even with x-ray approved bags (i am almost 100% sure they will charge manufacturers 10.99 per bag so they can put the tag on it) u will likely still have to get your lappy out and give them a peak
off topic Gestapo talk
if u want to set a revolution this day's well u can't.
any hint of dissension u will be labelled national security threat which in a way you are technically and u know what happens to those people? well u don't, they don't get phone calls so they can't call any one, u basically disappear some one can file a missing report but nothing will be done | |
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| | | Re: wow So you hypothesize that many missing adults are due to the gov't picking them up and doing away with them for their dissent? Can you please point out where a family of a missing adult is putting forth this theory? | |
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| | | | Re: wow don't remember the name off hand but one example was a Canadian citizen of Mideastern background was taken by the government(USA), the family reported him as missing, the USA government did not admit they took him, and that he was in their custody, finally few years later(last year) he was released and it hit the news, do not remember the name but their claim was he was a suspect and the usual blah blah patriot blah and some more blah | |
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|  stevennbOk, But, Thats The Last Straw.Premium
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1 edit | Wait a second , your disagreeing with the way things are and your still here....aren't you?
Hello?
Bueller?
Cripes so it is true, the neo con facists megacorps are here.
Martha, gather up the kids, we're heading to the bunker.
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2 edits | Unreal I wish people who bitch and complain about being searched and having to arrive early could fly on one plane and people who do not mind could fly on another. Two lines, one for the searched people and the other one you can just walk right in with whatever you want to carry. Given a choice to fly both planes for the same price, I wonder how many of you would choose the quick route. Personally, I do not mind being searched or having to take out all my stuff and lay it in the trays. I do not even mind getting pulled aside and checked. It lets me know they are being careful and doing there jobs.
Also, anybody who thinks that you can hire as many people as they need for what they are making without mistakes has never had to do large scale hiring.
Hit the wrong button. Guess i will leave it.
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| | Nipple rings are a threat? I feel sorry for the woman they made take out her nipple rings under threat of no flying. Thats just plain illegal. A piercing cannot hide a bomb, nor do they set off the metal scanners (Unless you have cheap stainless steel jewelery).
I hope she does sue the living piss out of the TSA. Maybe then they will tell their Hitler-youth wanna be thugs to back the hell up and consider that MOST people are NOT terrorists nor do they have any interest in becoming one.
Oh and as for those airpoint checkpoints... Bet you 3 to 1 that if a terrorist really wanted to, they could get a ceramic knife or plastic gun on board with out anyone thinking anything was in there. Thats how "Brilliant" our security is. Its a crock of shit and only makes idiots and morons with out a clue feel safe. | |
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Allentown, PA | Cockpit doors If they had only strengthened the cockpit doors, as everyone knew they should have done ever since the hijackings of the 1970's, it would have saved us $3T in the invasion of the wrong country, among other problems too numerous to mention. | |
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