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| Newsday won't run Fios ads This is a bad decision. It's not as if people aren't already aware of Fios and if anything it casts a negative light on Cablevision. The company looks like a crumbling empire desperately seeking to halt the incursion of the barbarian hordes...only the barbarians have fiber.
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Michigan City, IN | Cablevision can't compete with speed, so their competing in the next big attention getter: Advertising | |
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clubs: | Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads Cablevision can compete with them which is a big difference compared to most markets | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by comp  :Cablevision can compete with them which is a big difference compared to most markets OOL for now has the highest speeds offered to a residential customer, but to read some of the postings about Ultra, they have issues delivering this too.
Where FIOS DESTROYS OOL is in being able to deliver what they advertise, on a consistent basis, an area where OOL still can not compete.
FIOS has its issues too, but the reviews tell the story as to who does a better job delivering what people pay for, and FIOS wins hands down. 
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by jwersan :said by comp :Cablevision can compete with them which is a big difference compared to most markets OOL for now has the highest speeds offered to a residential customer, but to read some of the postings about Ultra, they have issues delivering this too. Where FIOS DESTROYS OOL is in being able to deliver what they advertise, on a consistent basis, an area where OOL still can not compete. FIOS has its issues too, but the reviews tell the story as to who does a better job delivering what people pay for, and FIOS wins hands down. But if the mumblings around the FiOS forum is any indication, I'd say that Verizon isn't winning "hands down" just yet:
- Verizon hasn't bothered to match the 100Mbps tier
- They are running out of space for HD channels (and can't really deploy SDV) and therefore recompressing some
So while Verizon offers a great product, Cablevision absolutely does compete on solid ground with them. | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by Eat Me :
- They are running out of space for HD channels (and can't really deploy SDV) and therefore recompressing some
How do you run out of "space" on fiber? Its capacity is for all intents and purposes limitless. | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by sonicmerlin : said by Eat Me :
- They are running out of space for HD channels (and can't really deploy SDV) and therefore recompressing some
How do you run out of "space" on fiber? Its capacity is for all intents and purposes limitless. Not the way Verizon deployed FIOS.
It's running the video on a broadcast analog 860 Mhz cable RFOG style overlay, so they only have about 136 standard 6 Mhz QAM channels available. Using QAM256 and MPEG2 they can put 2 HD, maybe 3, streams on some and fill the rest with 10 SD streams each. Obviously it's got limits, which is why they ditched analog just a couple years after roll out. Each analog was sucking up one 6 Mhz channel each and they needed the capacity.
Beyond that, the BPON (622 Mbps split up to 32 ways) or GPON (2.5 Gbps split up to 64 ways) architecture they use has other limits and isn't a dedicated fiber path per customer. | |
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Poughkeepsie, NY | Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads try from 5 to 1475 mhz | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by VzTechRon :try vz broadcasts from 5 to 1475 mhz Sorry they don't.
Sure VOD uses MOCA if provisioned for it (which uses bandwidth in the 1-1.4 Ghz range), but that uses data bandwidth (2.4 Gbps between upto 64 users) up to the ONT. It's not part of the 860 Mhz video broadcast on it's own.
VZ doesn't use the 5-45 Mhz range for anything, none of their active equipment supports it. | |
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| CV already built all their plant and its been paid off a decade ago (amortization is 15 years for plant I believe). Verizon has a long time to pay off their FIOS plant. CV can drop prices to be a "budget" or "discount" CATV provider, Verizon can't. CV=Honda, Verizon=Lexus. | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by Eat Me :said by patcat88 :CV already built all their plant and its been paid off a decade ago (amortization is 15 years for plant I believe). Are you positive about that? Weren't they doing node splits the other day? Node splits are a tiny fraction of what a new build would cost. The taps and coax are already there, and they make up the biggest fraction of the plant. Imagine the 100,000s of backyards, and apt building backspaces and apt basements you would have to go through to build a HFC or FTTH network from scratch. Nobody ever re-wires a MDU box with new coax during a node split. Sometimes the branches of the tree get their direction changed during a node split or some a short distance a parallel hardline coax gets installed, but thats about it. Stringing fiber to the new node doesn't mean putting fiber next to every foot of hardline that makes up that node. | |
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| What about the cost of acquiring the content (ie: contracts) and the maintenance of an aging fiber/copper plant? Two major factors you are failing to account for...
And every time VZ increases data speeds (upload/download) and adds HD content they put more pressure on CV and their outdated plant... | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by VZ Mark :What about the cost of acquiring the content (ie: contracts) and the maintenance of an aging fiber/copper plant? Two major factors you are failing to account for... And every time VZ increases data speeds (upload/download) and adds HD content they put more pressure on CV and their outdated plant... Absolutely correct.
But as far as being a budget provider goes, doesn't CVC offer all of its non-premium HD channels for free, while Verizon doesn't? | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads That is the biggest joke of them all! What CVC does is charge ALL of their customers for the HD package whether they have an HD set or not. Then they claim to offer it for free?! The HD channels cost more to acquire per contract and there is no way the Dolan's are eating this cost. No such thing as a free lunch, especially when the Dolan's are cooking!!!
VZ charges customers who actually WATCH HD channels. Which do you think is the better way of doing business? | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by VZ Mark :Which do you think is the better way of doing business? I think charging extra for HD channels in this day and age is a bit like a telco charging for dial-tone service. If HD isn't free already, the day is coming where it definitely ought to be, right?
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads So you feel that customers that don't get HD Channels should pay for those that do? The folks on this forum might not think it's possible but many people still don't have HD sets in their homes. Cablevision sinks the cost of HD into all of their subscribers and until each and every one of them have HD sets, someone is paying for a service they don't get...
Nothing is free, and since providers charge extra for HD channels they certainly are not free regardless of what CVC tells you... | |
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| said by Eat Me :But as far as being a budget provider goes, doesn't CVC offer all of its non-premium HD channels for free, while Verizon doesn't? No. CVC makes you pay $6.75/month per set-top box. Verizon provides a credit so the boxes are free. | |
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Basking Ridge, NJ | Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads CVC does have the best retention numbers of any MSO that VZ competes with so I doubt if VZ will ever 'own' the market as you state. At least that's the case here on Strong Island... | |
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Bobcat
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Bedminster, NJ | Hell, the scumbags at Cablevision charge an extra $5.95 per month for "iO Navigation" just for the privilege of having boxes! | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by Bobcat :Hell, the scumbags at Cablevision charge an extra $5.95 per month for "iO Navigation" just for the privilege of having boxes! I have never seen this charge on my bill, and I have a box and I receive HD channels.
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by EricGT :said by Bobcat :Hell, the scumbags at Cablevision charge an extra $5.95 per month for "iO Navigation" just for the privilege of having boxes! I have never seen this charge on my bill, and I have a box and I receive HD channels. Stop making stuff up. Here we go again. What package/premium channels do you have? If you only have Family Cable, you have to pay an extra $5.95/month to use digital boxes. | |
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It looks to me that Fios gives you double the number of channels as Cablevision, for $20/month less. And no charge for boxes. | |
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clubs: | Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads Huh you have charges there for 2 boxes? | |
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clubs: | Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads what is the bundle credit for? for having TV and internet? | |
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| said by psbny :cablevision charges for "family cable + iO" ($52.95 + $10.95) Except you can't get Family Cable + iO for that price. You have to pay an additional $6.75/month for one box. | |
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Howell, NJ | Actually in the NY/NJ area the price for HD is the same as non-HD, so NO technically in Cablevision's area Verizon does not charge more for HD. However, in non-Cablevision areas, yes the price for an HD is higher. | |
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| said by jwersan :said by comp :Cablevision can compete with them which is a big difference compared to most markets OOL for now has the highest speeds offered to a residential customer, but to read some of the postings about Ultra, they have issues delivering this too. Where FIOS DESTROYS OOL is in being able to deliver what they advertise, on a consistent basis, an area where OOL still can not compete. FIOS has its issues too, but the reviews tell the story as to who does a better job delivering what people pay for, and FIOS wins hands down. You can count me as one of those people that doesn't get what cablevision offers.
With boost I typically get my full upload, for a while there I wasn't getting it.
But the d/l is when things go askew.
most nights if i can get around 20-22 i'm solid.
sometime I get around 17--20
other times I get 15/5 so essentially i'm paying for extra upload 
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Basking Ridge, NJ | Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads CVC does not guarantee speeds and due to your shared pipe the speeds will decrease when more people are online...Speeds are the same with VZ at 3pm or 3am... | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by VZ Mark :CVC does not guarantee speeds and due to your shared pipe the speeds will decrease when more people are online...Speeds are the same with VZ at 3pm or 3am... FIOS speeds are not guaranteed either and their last mile pipe is shared as well.
Verizon FIOS can fall victim to over-subscription problems if not well managed and regularly "upgraded" as they push out higher bandwidth demand services like IPTV and fast internet tiers to more customers. | |
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by NSA_CIA :said by VZ Mark :CVC does not guarantee speeds and due to your shared pipe the speeds will decrease when more people are online...Speeds are the same with VZ at 3pm or 3am... FIOS speeds are not guaranteed either and their last mile pipe is shared as well. Verizon FIOS can fall victim to over-subscription problems if not well managed and regularly "upgraded" as they push out higher bandwidth demand services like IPTV and fast internet tiers to more customers. Can, maybe, but doesn't..
Either way, I would prefer my ultimate pipe to be split among 64 people tops, rather than the 200+ that cable does. 
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| Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads said by Eat Me :"Phone company TV" is a huge threat, and they're not backing down. Cablevision's ads are also deceptive. They quote a survey comparing CV to AT&T, then the rest of the ad refers to "phone company TV" to deceive people into thinking the survey said they were better than Fios.
Cablevision sucks.
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Jamaica, NY | Re: Newsday won't run Fios ads But CV does compete against AT&T TV in CT, where AT&T tries to fool you with its ads into taking AT&T Homezone (Dish Network with VOD through normal ADSL, not Uverse VDSL) when 70% of homes don't qualify for Uverse. | |
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Bassistguy
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Loco
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So Cal | Good....Verizon sucks here in Southern California.
I'm sure they're the same back in NY. | |
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VZ only cares about their NY service areas. | |
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clubs: | What negative light? It's a fairly logical decision not to advertise your own competitor.
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Los Angeles, CA | If I were Verizon, I'd be running ads on TV and radio saying:
"Cable is so scared of our superior fiber network, that they refuse to run our ads in their daily newspaper".
Let it backfire on Cablevision! | |
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| Makes $ense... Why accept advertising dollars from a competitor in your market, where the churn (of your customers) to the competitor will be a loss greater than the revenue (income) of the advertising?
e.g. Should VW allow advertising of Toyota in its magazines to VW customers? | |
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I was watching NBC (Or was it CBS) and they were advertising Fox Biz channel.
My point is that the media does do it. | |
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| Re: Makes $ense... Not too sure about that but I do understand your point. As long as it is not illegal and meets the FTC or FCC (cough) criteria anything should be advertised evenly.
A good comparison of how NOT to advertise is this example. Fox had a commercial about health care whose roots were from a Ultra Conservation foundation and former CEO from the health care industry .You know "Obama is going to execute Grand ma if she gets to sick "
and CNN having the polar opposite with untold millions of under insured.. yada yada yada. While neither of the stations having the other commercial.
Point is, short of having a gun put to your head, advertising should be balanced. I guess I am looking thru rose colored glasses.  | |
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| Verizon isn't a competitor for "Newsday", but a different sub-division of the parent company and yes, the magazine/newspaper should be run independently of other divisions especially when ad revenues in that arena are hard to come by.
This is why both horizontal and vertical media consolidation is bad and we see the effects in everything from this ad banning nonsense to cable imposing usage limits to defend their video revenues.
These things will only get worse and the losers will be the consumers. | |
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| Pretty normal stuff I work in marketing for a small telco and no cable company in our markets (Cox, Time Warner, Charter, Comcast, Mediacom) will accept any local competitor advertising. It blocks us out of the market which is there right. The only way to do it is advertise nationally. | |
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| Funny. i remember a few years ago when i worked around the Boston area, DJs on the FM radio stations were flipping out because there were XM Sat Radio advertisements on the stations. the stations yanked those ads shortly after.
along those lines, why in the world would you advertise your competitor in your publication/newsprint/etc? yes, everyone knows your competitor is out there, but why would you shove your competitor's ads in your customers' faces? sounds like a smart thing to do... don't have a 2010 Camaro SS on the showroom floor next to the Ford Mustangs you're trying to sell.
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The FOX ads even imply that WCBS News is NOT fair and balanced. | |
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1 edit | Re: Funny. said by Bobcat :WCBS carries ads for ABC, NBC, and FOX. The FOX ads even imply that WCBS News is NOT fair and balanced. The local stations carry ads for a competitors cable or radio products (since they don't technically compete directly which each other), but not ads promoting another local TV station. | |
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| Well... Since it's a different buisness, a newspaper vs an ISP, I think it's wrong. If the only reason they won't run the FIOS ads is because they compete with another company they own it seems anti-competitive. If it was some smalltime ISP they could get away with it because the small ISP's couldn't afford to sue Cablevision but in a lawsuit I think AT&T would have a real chance at winning. | |
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|  I stopped reading Newsday
My point here is this: I don't care what advertisments Cablevision will allow in Newsday--I stopped reading that paper a few months ago after CV made the changes they did.
I already know I want Fios anyway, so once they get around to digging on my block, I'll give them a buzz.
On the other side of the coin, I imagine there is no law that says Newsday must take certain advertising. With that said, once Newsday starts writing unfavorable "news articles" about Fios, I would think that it's a bit anticompetitive.
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| Could Be Worse What about the advertisers that control what Newsday prints in their paper? They should include the biggest advertising contributors in the title of their stories, to make it clear to the readers what agenda is being pushed out. Sadly, it seems as if bloggers are the only real press that this country has nowadays. | |
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| Re: Could Be Worse said by jmn1207 :Sadly, it seems as if bloggers are the only real press that this country has nowadays. Many bloggers also have agendas of their own, it's just that they are a little more obvious. Most (if not all) political blogs on the net are good examples of this.
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| Re: Could Be Worse said by puck0114 :Yup, of course, the main stream media outlets have their own agendas, and FOX and CNN are little more than infotainment. It's getting harder and harder to get to the facts without a bunch of spin. Mainstream media is for the sheep that never bothered to find the off button for the TV, and the on button on their PC. | |
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| Bloggers have personal opinions, and I try not to pay too much attention to subjective rants about politics, but at least these agendas are not brought to you by Walmart or Exxon, like they seem to be with the major media outlets.
If one of the new baby boomer wonder drugs happens to be dangerous, the mainstream media would not be allowed to report about it, else they might lose a significant portion of their revenues. Even the light-hearted fact finding show, Mythbusters, is not immune from its advertiser's influence.
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An entity that claims to provide news and information should not be at the mercy of those paying the most money, as often seems to be the case. I've said it before, but these entertainment "news" organizations should not have press credentials, and should never be afforded any statutory protections as outlined in our Constitution. There should be a clear separation between journalism and corporate interests. This recent Newsday banning of Verizon advertising indicates that they are more interested in entertainment and profits, and not about providing pertinent information to the public.
They should start including the advertisers in the names of the TV shows, magazines, and newspapers to make it easier for consumers to better identify the agenda being pushed. The same should go for our elections and candidates. We could have stuff like Bush brought to you by Exxon and General Dynamics verse MicroSoft's Obama in the Walmart/Dell Presidential Election 2008, coming up right after Kellog's Seinfeld. We do it for major sporting events, it just seems disingenuous to pretend like it does not belong in today's US politics and media. | |
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| Re: Could Be Worse They used to do that, all shows had their corporate sponsor in their name. Cable TV lives off the ad revenue, all magazines live off the ad revenue, newspapers live off the ad revenue. You pay for the privilege of seeing ads. At the end of the day they are not held responsible to their subscriber, but to their advertisers (although the subscribers do want impressions). So they all put up only what generates the most ad impressions, so thats why its Sheep News Network. Lowest common denominator. Smart people don't watch TV usually because they have jobs or better information to absorb. Seniors, disabled, welfare moms, house wives, lower/lower middle class kids all watch TV. Ever wonder why Judge ______ and Jerry Springer are so popular? Lowest common denominator, you need to target the folks with a 70 IQ, because people with a higher one have jobs/other things to do. There is also the housewife content like Oprah and the daytime soaps, but its on a slow downhill ride due to wives working in this county and both parents working. | |
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@bellatlantic.COM | Ads for the competition I have FiOS in Washington metro area of Maryland and I see almost as many ads for Cox Communications, a Virginia competitor, than I do for Verizon. | |
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join:2008-01-29
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jester121
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Lake Zurich, IL
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| Why not... ABC is refusing to run ads critical of the Democrat health care plan, despite having provided a free 1 hour prime-time infomercial to the President earlier this summer, and gladly accepting money from AARP to air their ads supportive of the legislation.
At least with a TV station that operates on the public airways, there's a case to be made that they should accept payment for and broadcast any ads that aren't patently false/abusive/defamatory. I don't think the same standard applies to newspapers though... | |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | mainstream media Lets see any mainstream media newspaper run a full page ad from the National Vanguard or Stormfront. | |
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JSRoman
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join:2005-03-10
Callahan, FL
| Perfect example of dangers of media consolidation Cablevision has just started a small fire and they better hope it gets put out before the plan on any mergers in the furture.
Newsapers are losing money left and right so I would love for Cablevision to spell out exactly why they left money on the table and refuse to run Fios ads any longer.
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join:2002-09-25
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1 edit | Re: Perfect example of dangers of media consolidation Media consolidation?
That ship has sailed. I suppose you don't know about NBC/Universal, Time Warner, Disney, Viacom and News corporation? All huge media conglomerates, and pretty much here to stay. | |
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2 edits | Re: Perfect example of dangers of media consolidation Well aware since I work for a pretty big ship myself. The problem with all these ships is that the only way for them to get any bigger is to buy someone elses ship and some people might have a problem with one person having all the ships in the future, especially if some ships refuse to carry some type of freight.
Speaking of ships, looks like the Disney super carrier just picked up a speed boat by the name of Marvel today.
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1 edit | Re: Perfect example of dangers of media consolidation Disney - Another company that sucks. | |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
| hmm Well since everybody is bashing cablevision why does verizon outright refuse to put fios out to all their areas.
I live in the town of babylon and verizon refuses to light up my block with fios. I was told by customer service themselves that verizon will never give my block fios.
So if fios is soo good why doesnt verizon roll out fios to their whole service area in the nyc area?
Cablevision will be around for a while ebcause there will be many areas on long island that cablevision will serve that fios wont. | |
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@att.net | Very Wrong It is not right to do this, since they are a struggling company as it is they will be losing revenue. Now wait till the law suits come that will crumble them into chapter 11. | |
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byondhlp
join:2003-03-29
Selden, NY | Cablevision and Brookhaven Town Cablevision and Crookhaven town are in bed together soooooo. no FIOS for us... Sad, someone should be fired over this. | |
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PapaMidnight
join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD | Cutting off... Cutting off one's nose to spite their own face?
Money is money. | |
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@cablevision.com | CV ROCKS!!! HD IS FREE WITH CV. WHEN THEY WENT UP TOO 100+ HD CHANNELS MY BILL DIDN'T GO UP AND IT STILL HASN'T, AND I PAY REGULAR PRICE FOR MY SERVICE. WITCH IS STILL CHEAPER THAN FIOS. | |
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New York
| Re: CV ROCKS!!! said by CAB1EGUY :
HD IS FREE WITH CV. WHEN THEY WENT UP TOO 100+ HD CHANNELS MY BILL DIDN'T GO UP AND IT STILL HASN'T, AND I PAY REGULAR PRICE FOR MY SERVICE. WITCH IS STILL CHEAPER THAN FIOS.
LOL.. Says the Cablevision employee dumb enough to post anon from his Cablevision corporate computer. | |
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@verizon.net | Their HD sucks, however. Never looks right. When I ran the wire directly to the back of my TV and checked it, the HD was much better. | |
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| shows ignorance A media owned newspaper, available to the public for purchase or free, should learn how to seperate itself and do the public a favor, since advertisement is what pays for the paper and should be included as part of the 1st amendment.
As far as, it doesn't come across as lewd, crude, distasteful and offensive to the general public. This type of behavior is so typical of Corporate America Today, and only results in more erosion of employment for America. By not allowing the competition to pay to advertise, they are only forced to tap into their cash cow from their parent company.
Thus resulting in the public being forced to endure further hardship and having to settle for higher monthly fees.
The cable company has already figured out, that the internet is taking away from their viewers, so they have "pretty much" banded together and came up with "their own fix" of now limiting your unlimited internet usage, by mandating a cap, to further charge you for access either way. Which is just another price increase, that whenever they feel you have gone over your limit, they have the right to slap a rate increase upon you, on any given month.
Welcome to the new Communismn Corporate America folks!
Time to wake up and stand up for yourself and not put up with this type of tyranny. | |
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tmc8080
join:2004-04-24
Floral Park, NY
| not a problem, really... Verizon blankets direct mail already for a very nominal price... if Cablevision doesn't want to take Verizon's money.. that is a personal business decision-- that some will view as censorship and a clear swipe at the competition, pure and simple.
Either directly, or indirectly.. this is a taunt at Verizon in it's weakest, or strongest area (depending upon your perspective) that Verizon owns VERY FEW media assets.. so, on the one hand, their exposure to copyright violations (aka, fast internet evaporating the value of the cable-tv product megabit by megabit) is VERY LOW, on the other hand, it is a weakness when bargaining for RESELLING MEDIA upon which their cable-tv FIOS service is based.
I personally don't care, but ONE DAY... Verizon may return the courtesy down the road.. maybe not today, not tomorrow, but it CAN be EXPECTED. | |
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