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There comes a pointThere comes a point when I stop feeling sorry for people. When you elect someone you think is honest, and it turns out they are not, it is a shame. (and unfortunately, very common)
But when you KNOW without a doubt a guy is bought and paid for by big businesses, and that he has absolutely no interest in writing laws that actually protect consumers like yourself, and you vote for him anyway......who's really to blame at that point? | |
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 |  markofmayhemWhy not now? Premium Member join:2004-04-08 Pittsburgh, PA |
Re: There comes a pointThe voters, obviously, who have allowed the entire political landscape in this country be boiled down to a very simple model:
Us vs. Them.
Republican vs Democrat Liberal vs Conservative Choice vs Life
EVERYTHING is widdled down to 2 and only 2 sides. So the fact this guy is bought and paid for, yet reelected, probably had to do with some sort of "vs" and not the electorate actually "voting" for a candidate, rather just people belonging to their "group" for reasons most can not articulate. | |
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2010-Aug-27 10:30 am
Re: There comes a pointIt actually goes even further than that, although you're absolutely right. The "vs", as you put it so well, frequently isn't even about voting for a candidate, but "against" someone else. A lot of places nowadays it doesn't even matter who the one side votes for or who they get. As long as it's not "The Other". | |
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2010-Aug-27 10:49 am
Re: There comes a pointYep, it is a great sideshow to keep the real issues off the table! And the two parties have all but locked out third party candidates that really want to do some good.
Unfortunately, those of us with PoliSci degrees, or basic knowledge of how things *really* work get carried downstream by the rest of the voters. | |
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Lawmaking should have an Every 8 years flush, where by anyone currently in cannot run again for Congress. Really do need to clean out the fridge once and awhile.
would not end the corruption of course. | |
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Well, you want us to say the voter, but what happens when there is NO choice and ALL of them are corrupt? Well, imho the system needs to change. | |
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we definately need a party to vote for who are on the side of the people not the moneybag rich corporations.
i am going to vote for independents from now on.i am so sick of republicans and democrats.time to give someone else a chance. | |
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Re: There comes a pointsaid by gorehound:i am going to vote for independents from now on.i am so sick of republicans and democrats.time to give someone else a chance. I don't think it's tied to any particular party. Even setting aside the jerks who just want to get rich, it costs money to run for office. So politicians need money to remain politicians. And getting that money means doing what the groups that have money tell you to. Independents make me nervous. I know which special interest groups a democrat will shlep for, and which big businesses a republican will. Independents are going to follow orders, but you never know who's orders they'll follow. | |
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WhatNow
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2010-Aug-27 10:56 pm
Re: There comes a pointLook at the money bags running on the far right. Spending $10s of millions of their own money do you really think they are for the average Joe. They talk like the are for you but they are just protecting their friends and themselves. | |
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2010-Aug-27 10:05 am
Connected Nation accusation not provedConnected Nation (which is a lobbying and policy extension of major carriers designed specifically to downplay coverage and competitive issues) That is stated as if it was a proved fact. But what it is is nothing more than an accusation made by activist groups that are against the policies of major telecomm carriers. | |
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2010-Aug-27 10:27 am
Re: Connected Nation accusation not provedsaid by FFH5:Connected Nation (which is a lobbying and policy extension of major carriers designed specifically to downplay coverage and competitive issues) That is stated as if it was a proved fact. But what it is is nothing more than an accusation made by activist groups that are against the policies of major telecomm carriers. You frighten me. | |
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LOL. When have you been concerned with facts? | |
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2010-Aug-27 10:50 am
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Thank god you put Palin in your avatar. Now *all* of us know to just ignore you as we do her. | |
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2010-Aug-27 10:54 am
Re: Connected Nation accusation not provedsaid by SLD:Thank god you put Palin in your avatar. Now *all* of us know to just ignore you as we do her. You are in REPEAT mode. » Re: Sprint seems to offer best deals; why not more customers ?Maybe you could stay on the subject being discussed. | |
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2010-Aug-27 11:08 am
Re: Connected Nation accusation not provedCurrently *you* are the subject being discussed. I'll repeat that - *you* are the subject being discussed. | |
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Status quoThe fox watching the hen house.
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anonymiss
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2010-Aug-27 3:03 pm
this saves nothingThe government has unlimited money. They don't have to make money, they just take it from us, the tax payers.
The government has no reason to be competing with our money on services nobody really HAS to have by taking money from every single person and subsidising those that don't want it. | |
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2010-Aug-27 3:17 pm
Re: this saves nothingsaid by anonymiss :
The government has unlimited money. They don't have to make money, they just take it from us, the tax payers.
The government has no reason to be competing with our money on services nobody really HAS to have by taking money from every single person and subsidising those that don't want it. one out of every 2 people reading this pay ZERO income taxes. Of the 50% that do most pay less than 10% of their income in income taxes. | |
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2010-Aug-27 5:53 pm
Re: this saves nothingThis might have something to do with the fact that 90% of the country makes less than $250,000 a year and a good 50% of the country hovers around the just above poverty level.
If we hadn't cut jobs while increasing the CEO wage scale to a ridiculous extent, our middle class wouldn't have been gutted and we would have more people paying more taxes. Wonders of wonders, trickle down is bull**** that doesn't work! | |
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2010-Aug-27 4:40 pm
The people who pay the taxesHoyle replied, "I've carried more water than Gunga Din for the business community -- the people who pay the taxes." uh, and where do those businesses get the money to pay the taxes?  | |
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2010-Aug-27 11:07 pm
Re: The people who pay the taxesI don't think companies should pay income taxes only people should pay income taxes. The CEO crowd should have to pay for all the perks like free meals out of their own pockets. It is not like they don't have it. | |
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Wow.  $5 more per month for 20Mbps SYMMETRICAL than what I'm paying now for asymmetrical. That is insane. The cable cos know full well they could up the upload if they wanted. | |
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