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kudos:1 | Pretty dumb move there Microsoft If this is gonna be Xbox's strategy ...
better get your preorder in for a PS4 NOW cause they're gonna be scarce as hen's teeth once gamers drop the Xbox system like a hot rock. | |
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| | | | Re: Pretty dumb move there Microsoft Over a million people have bought SimCity so good luck with that. | |
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Lehi, UT | Re: Pretty dumb move there Microsoft said by biochemistry:Over a million people have bought SimCity so good luck with that.
Do you know how many people bought Modern Warfare 3, just on release day? What about Black Ops 2? A million really isn't much compared to companies who know what they're doing, and stick to what works. | |
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| | | | | | Re: Pretty dumb move there Microsoft Well they caught some flack with the issues they had but i do agree those two titles have a huge fan base. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Pretty dumb move there Microsoft said by Eddy120876:Ummm didn't Sony said they were going to do the same?
NO ... quite the opposite ...
Sony’s Yoshida: PlayStation 4 won’t block used games
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| Re: Pretty dumb move there Microsoft When asked whether games would require online registration, Yoshida noted that that decision was up to the publisher. When asked if Sony, as a publisher, would require games to be registered online, Yoshida said, "we are not talking about that plan."
While Yoshida's statement leaves open the possibility that individual publishers can still block used games at will, it's just as likely he was simply leaving the door open for the kind of "Online Pass" purchase systems that already routinely limit certain online game functions in used copies of games. So while there's still a bit of wiggle room in Sony's public comments, we'd also caution against reading to much into what Yoshida did (or didn't) say. | |
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"Hey, Microsoft is blocking used games! Let's do it too then!"
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My other thought with allways on, was to try and limit piracy (modded 360's that never go online now).
Still a horrible way to do it though.
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| | | | | | Re: Pretty dumb move there Microsoft My biggest gripe with always-on DRM that ties games to a console: can't bring your games when you visit a friend to play them on his console, you have to bring the whole console with you.
It personally does not bother me much since my newest console is a PS2 and most of my friends have pretty much quit console gaming too.
Guess we'll see whether or not people are willing to give away the ability to pass games and saves around without Big Brother's blessing soon enough. | |
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| A used game ban would surprise me ...Especially given Sony's statement that used games will work on the PS4. If Microsoft bans them, wouldn't they be turning away a significant portion of their user base? They can't be that dumb, can they?
If it does come to pass, though, it'll be no more Xbox for me. And it's currently the only console I really play. I'd sooner go with a gaming PC and maybe a PS4 alongside once the prices come down a bit.
Also, RE: mandatory installs: depending on how much content is installed, that sounds like a great way to pump up Microsoft's sales of expensive, proprietary hard drives! Woo! | |
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| | From the Sounds of it. They really want to ban/charge for those used games.
How dare something be yours after you pay for it.
Always on internet connection, for what?
Tracking us with the required Kinect?
Advertizing?
Making sure that only paying members are watching Netflix?
Forced game installs?
Does this come with the option to install whatever Hard Drive you can.
This all seems really ANTI-Consumer if you ask me. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: From the Sounds of it. said by buzz_4_20:They really want to ban/charge for those used games. How dare something be yours after you pay for it. You can buy a used Ford from a neighbor. Does The local Ford dealer have an obligation to fix your car if your neighbor sold you a lemon? Nope. MS can disable used games if they want. It's dumb and shortsighted but legally there is nothing wrong with that.
Always on internet connection, for what?
Tracking us with the required Kinect?
Advertizing?
Making sure that only paying members are watching Netflix?
Probably.
How do you watch Netflix WITHOUT a internet connection anyway?
Forced game installs?
Does this come with the option to install whatever Hard Drive you can. | |
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| | | | Re: From the Sounds of it. There's a difference between not fixing a ford and having a ford kill switch that disables the car should you try to resell. THAT is illegal. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: From the Sounds of it. said by Metatron2008:There's a difference between not fixing a ford and having a ford kill switch that disables the car should you try to resell. THAT is illegal.
If it was illegal they wouldn't even attempt it. Show me where it says that someone buying something used like a game or a DVD or CD or whatever has the same rights as someone who bought something new. Using that logic they should be paying full price then.
By the way if I buy an old Ford that requires leaded gasoline which by the way is no longer sold in the US guess what, Ford doesn't have to convert my car to use unleaded gas. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: From the Sounds of it. On another site I read where MS may allow used games to install on a different XBOX provided the original owner removed it AND you pay them some sort of "activation" fee. In practice this means you would buy a used game disc for $10 and then have to pay MS another $10 to install it. The article suggested the used game disc market prices would probably drop since folks know the disc itself is useless without paying for it to be activated on their system. The article suggested Microsoft and the company that created the game would share the activation fee. The article suggested it's a way for them to profit off the used market.
In some respects this seems like the government. When a corporation makes money, it pays corporate taxes. Then it turns around and pays a dividend and shareholders pay income/capital gains taxes. When shareholders spend that money to buy something, they get taxed again (sales tax). Depending on what they buy (house, car, boat, etc.), they may then get taxed again each year they own it (property taxes).
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| | | | | | said by BF69:Show me where it says that someone buying something used like a game or a DVD or CD or whatever has the same rights as someone who bought something new.
It's called the first-sale doctrine, and it's part of copyright law: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_sale_doctrine | |
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Even in the EU, which I expect to eventually come to the US, you have the right to resell your digital copies. So with a system like Steam, there should be a way to transfer the ownership rights to another user.
What I suspect is that ALL games will have an activation fee associated with them and the activation for the first buyer just happens to be a part of the original sale/price and paid separately by anyone buying the copy after that. Charging X for new and then Y for used activation however I think would cause a problem as they are clearly segmenting the 2.
I personally don't see a problem with what I mention above, but the used game market will have to adjust their prices accordingly. What wouldn't surprise me at all, by the greed of the industry, is if they started giving away the games (digital download, $10 for DVD shipment), but then charged $60 to activate it new or used. That would KILL the used game industry. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: From the Sounds of it. I think what you'll see is something like what you suggest. Perhaps modified further by perhaps weaving a recurring fee into the equation. Everyone wants what they sell to be completely disposable with a short shelf life so consumers are forced to continually buy more. | |
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| So, the position you're advocating is once you buy something, it should have zero resale value, that you really should have no ownership rights whatsoever, and first sale doctrine is null and void.
Insurance companies would love you. "Yes, we know you paid $XYZ for it, but since it's actual value once you purchased it is zero, the amount we owe you on the claim is zero."
This is such an extreme position. The opposing end of the spectrum should be "Since I can't sell it, and since it is of zero worth to me, I should only pay what it's worth, which is zero." Everything I want I shall simply take, and it's free, with no repercussions. Fair and balanced. Two ridiculous extremes.
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kudos:5 | said by BF69:You can buy a used Ford from a neighbor. Does The local Ford dealer have an obligation to fix your car if your neighbor sold you a lemon? Nope.
I don't think that is a fair analogy. Ford may not have an obligation to fix an out-of-warranty product, but they certainly don't have the right to prohibit you from seeking repairs elsewhere. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: From the Sounds of it. said by WHT:said by BF69:You can buy a used Ford from a neighbor. Does The local Ford dealer have an obligation to fix your car if your neighbor sold you a lemon? Nope.
I don't think that is a fair analogy. Ford may not have an obligation to fix an out-of-warranty product, but they certainly don't have the right to prohibit you from seeking repairs elsewhere. Can you play a XBOX game on any gaming machine like you can drive Ford on ANY road? Nope. An XBOX game will only work on a XBOX. It is 100% legal for MS to make their games only work on their machine. Then it seems logical they can also PREVENT games from working on their machine too. As I said it's a STUPID thing to do. New Coke was stupid idea too, but didn't stop Coke from going ahead with it. | |
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EULA: End-User License Agreenemt apply to the videogames you play. You don't OWN the content, you are buying the right to use/play.
Read the EULA of every game... you don't own it. Once you open the package or box or wrap, you agree.
How long is the retention of your games?
Do you rent? or Buy? Do you resell (ebay other) or trade in?
Do you think its fair to sell you a game, with DLC that gets unlocked from the disc? What if there is no disc? And now, those maps and skins and add-ons are now DLC and extra. Is that fair?
Or not?
I don't know anyone that plays games offline. Unless their net is down. I do know I like games that are singleplayer. Is that the same?
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| | | | | | Re: From the Sounds of it. Thats the reason I dont buy these things anymore. If I am just renting something...then it should be clearly mentioned. That $60 I just paid for is rent...not purchase.
Plus...if the software industry wants to go that model...why not do it properly. eg....New...HALO 6....just @ $2 per month....& all problem is solved. No need for resale etc. I play 1 month...or 6 month..or 60 month....they get the money each month.
Or make it cheaper. Eg....COD10...$19.99....& mention the restriction on the top...that cant be re-selled.
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Willseyville, NY | Re: From the Sounds of it. This is why I bought Cities XL Platinum rather than SimCity. I still don't love the limited (5) activations, but you can per their license install it on up to 5 computers, once activated you can play offline etc. It's also $30 rather than $60 so I don't get as much...
I actually prefer non DRMed indie games now or console games where I know it's limited. That said, I don't own nor intend to own an xBox. I am more inclined to buy a PS4 due to used games being OK.
Most of my recent game purchases have been Humble Bundle.
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| | | | | | said by cableties:EULA: End-User License Agreenemt apply to the videogames you play. You don't OWN the content, you are buying the right to use/play. Read the EULA of every game... you don't own it. Once you open the package or box or wrap, you agree.
Try again: As per a federal court ruling against Adobe/Microsoft brought on via class action, "shrink-wrapped EULAs" are null, void, and un-enforceable. This ruling came about because people who bought OEM PCs believed they had the legal right to sell off the pre-installed bloatware they would never use that always came back whenever they re-installed Windows from their restore CDs. Microsoft and Adobe tried to block these sales using the same argument: they don't own the software; just the license, and the EULAs expressly forbid it. They lost their hides as the court ruled that "shrink-wrapped" EULAs are null and void because they're trying to function as amendment to an already closed and finalized sales transaction.
The precedent set by that case means the video gaming industry and all its legal-beagles are lying when they use the "you only own the license" crutch. They know they'd lose their collective asses if their notions were ever legally challenged, yet they take solace in the fact that challenging them is expensive - Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony are prepared to use the "bury them in paper" tactic to drag out such a challenge for years, consequently bankrupting any party that so desires to challenge them.
Doesn't change the fact that -- from the Magnavox Odyssey to today -- has always involved relying on snazy box art, logos, and full page ads in magazines and TV pumping and shilling both the console(s) and the game(s) -- NOT THE PAPER LICENSE(S) -- and people in every day conversations say "I bought Mortal Kombat 9" instead of saying "I bought a license to use/play Mortal Kombat 9." Their entire logic flies in the face of the sole justification for purchasing consoles: to foreclose on and liberate one's self (and their wallets) from the old and tired feed-the-machine subscription-based business models of the quarter-muncher.
The divorce from that business model has been very brief - from the PS1 to the PS2. The moment consoles acquired an Ethernet port and morphed into over-glorified STBs, it was the beginning of the end: video game companies in their greed and lust for control were gonna go right back to the subscription-based business models of the arcades only this time, they'd be munching tens and hundreds of dollars instead of quarters, and requiring them to constantly phone home to the mothership. As opposed to Plug-N-Play. Planned obsolescence and killing off the pre-owned software is integral to this business model since they have a vested interested in foisting ported "HD Collections/Compilations" down your gullet in lieu of backward compatibility.
In that regard, I dare them to kill off used-gaming. 
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If I buy a book and give it to you after I read it. Should you be legally obligated to pay the author/publisher full price for that book?
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Camden, TN | Re: From the Sounds of it. said by b10010011:said by BF69:You can buy a used Ford from a neighbor. Does The local Ford dealer have an obligation to fix your car if your neighbor sold you a lemon? Nope. That's a piss poor analogy because any Ford dealer will do maintenance on and repair (as long as there are still parts available) any Ford. That's just good business. yes they'll fix it an you have to PAY for it. So you can play your used game on your XBOX as long as you pay for the extra code. Once again I'm not an advocate of this idea. I'm merely stating it's not ILLEGAL as some have claimed, that's all.
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Saint Clair Shores, MI | said by BF69:said by buzz_4_20:They really want to ban/charge for those used games. How dare something be yours after you pay for it. You can buy a used Ford from a neighbor. Does The local Ford dealer have an obligation to fix your car if your neighbor sold you a lemon? Nope. MS can disable used games if they want. It's dumb and shortsighted but legally there is nothing wrong with that. Ford, GM, Chrysler all tried this in the 70's and 80's. It's been over 30 years and they still have not fully recovered from the defections of people who went to Honda, Toyota, VW, etc., for a product that lasted, from owner to owner. Look at all the brands that have been axed because of no one wanted to buy a car that is built to die at 50k miles. If MS wants to re-invent that business model, then more power too'em and good luck. I sure as heck won't be buying into it.  | |
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| said by BF69:You can buy a used Ford from a neighbor. Does The local Ford dealer have an obligation to fix your car if your neighbor sold you a lemon? Nope. MS can disable used games if they want. It's dumb and shortsighted but legally there is nothing wrong with that. Analogy fail. It would be akin to Ford making all vehicles no longer owned by the original buyer inoperable by having all vehicles constantly linked into a central computer which tracks ownership and usage and "authorizes" the vehicle to run. A "used" vehicle would be blocked from running and be required to be shredded whole. Used vehicles, used parts, all would be illegal, as would circumventing the tracking and logging system, that would also be a crime. That would be a proper analogy.
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| said by buzz_4_20:This all seems really ANTI-Consumer if you ask me. Correct. Because the USA is really Pro-Corporation. Everyone else be damned.
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| | Bye Bye GameFly? Also say goodbye to game rentals. I love my Xbox360 but this would be a showstopper for me because it makes it unaffordable. Somebody at MS has discovered they have two feet so suddenly feel the need to shoot themselves in their "spare" one. | |
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| | Another way to look at it... PS4 win is not guaranteed with this move. Developers/Publishers could be more enticed to make their games exclusive to the next Xbox because of this. If it offers a way to severely curtail potential piracy and used game sales, they will think about it hard. The only way to defeat this is for gamers to draw a line in the sand and support the PS4. Publishers aren't going to make games exclusive on a system that isn't selling.
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Camden, TN | Re: Another way to look at it... Developers/Publishers are moving away from exclusives as it limits your income. Why shut out half the gaming population? | |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: Another way to look at it... said by BF69:Developers/Publishers are moving away from exclusives as it limits your income. Why shut out half the gaming population?
I don't like the some gamers get shut out, but exclusives are usually better than multiplats. Especially the palts that it just gets ported to and isn't built from the ground up to run on.
Also where does 1/2 of the gaming population come from? There are more than just play station and xbox. | |
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| Re: Another way to look at it... There is a difference between making a game exclusive because that's the only way to make a game high quality, and making it exclusive because of contract agreements.
Heck, the ones that does the latter usually have a multiplatform architecture, but limits their potential for the sake of contract or bribe money. | |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Would anyone really be surprised if this happened? I wouldn't be. MS isn't targeting the core gamer anymore, they are targeting the cod/halo frat boy and 12 year olds. They usually abandon the old game when a new one comes out so they wouldn't care. Even if some of them do, there will be enough xbox fanboys who buy it just because "lulz new xbawx". That and they are supposedly also targeting the casuals with the next gen so they wont care ether.
Sony is okay, targeting the core gamer a bit and for some back asswards reason trying to push social media crap on games too. Sure it may look better on paper, but if the next box sells way better which are developers going to flock to?
As for nintendo and pc, they are as usual doing their own thing and seem to be fine.
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Galt, CA | always on? will not be buying one if that is the case. | |
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Springfield, IL | This article is incorrect. Sony did NOT say definitively whether or not they will ban used games. When asked directly the CEO wasn't very forthcoming. here
is the link: »arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/s···d-games/ | |
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Camden, TN | Re: This article is incorrect. Actually they make it pretty clear in that article. | |
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Sherwood, MI | Because everyone has broadband Right? Right!?? | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Because everyone has broadband the major issue I see with this is also that it will kill the console as that gaming device you can lean on when the broadband goes out.
If I lived in an area where the cable was not rock solid I would start buying books with the direction gaming is going even single player titles are now always online.
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For those of you who have worked with Win 8 it's pretty simple to figure out MS wants to be basically like Face Book plus steam but they want to charge a monthly fee and they will also data mine everything since if they get their way they'll know everything you do on line. Big ad bucks there and if they get enough people hooked, up goes the monthly fee because Xbox live is a cross platform service that you just can't live without. $20 a month? $30 a month???
I'm amazed that Google hasn't jumped into all this yet. Down and dirty OS, straight up gaming machine. I know it's not that simple but Google has made in roads with open office and into hardware with phones.
We will see because it looks like the Wii U is a fail, Xbox is lining up to be a fail and I don't know enough about the PS3 at the moment. With gaming consoles it's big money and you can crush your opponent easily if you get it right. | |
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Yes, Microsoft will pull a boner initially, then relent to look like the good corporate citizen thereby increasing unit sales exponentially. | |
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| | Microsoft's latest fail. If this is true, Microsoft's historic anti-competitive behavior shines once again. Want to play a two year old game, that will be $60. No thanks. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: For me. said by cpsycho:Steam box all the way. Can play on anything anywhere thank you very much.
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Camden, TN | Re: For me. You stated ANYTHING. I quickly found three you can't. Thus your ANYTHING statement is wrong. | |
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| said by cpsycho:Steam box all the way. Can play on anything anywhere thank you very much. Actually, Valve with STEAM is no hero here.
Explain to me how come you can't TRANSFER a Steam license to another Steam account? In effect Steam ALREADY bans used games!
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4 edits | Seriously hope this isn't true I usually don't add me too comments, but for this I will only to make the thread of complaints about this possible bonehead move longer.
I buy almost exclusively used games, I can wait awhile for most games rather than by $60, with rare exceptions like tomb raider that I just bought. piracy on consoles is already very hard, and is no excuse for a lame move like this.
If you need to have us install the game fine, I do that on my xbox360 most of the time for the sake of load times, but just make us keep the disc in the optical drive to check we own it, or register the game to the last console it was used in if you want to allow discless game playing and require the disc to reauthorize the title automatically if it was used in a different system last.
Make it seemless and preserve used games.
Personally I don't care if I need a persistent internet connection, my gaming console already has one, as long as you keep the free silver live account option for console , game and activation updates because I don't play online and don't want to pay for it. | |
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| BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: if anyone would actually read the document...... It can update when I turn it on. You know when I decide. | |
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| | | Thank you! I can't believe so many sites are basically regurgitating the same crap without stopping for a second and read the source. Not even Vgleaks is suggesting this is about blocking used games. It's simply a feature to download stuff on the background to save time! | |
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New London, CT | EA Sports Add to all of this, a company like EA Sports already prevents you from playing the online portions of a 'pre-owned' game if the original owner used the 'Online Pass' code already, unless you wanna buy a new code. (Rolls eyes) | |
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|  Subaru1-3-2-4Premium
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Greenwich, CT | Re: EA Sports said by Murph1:Add to all of this, a company like EA Sports already prevents you from playing the online portions of a 'pre-owned' game if the original owner used the 'Online Pass' code already, unless you wanna buy a new code. (Rolls eyes)
same with BF3.. it was total bullshit when I had to buy the online pass just to play online with default everything.
Then $49 for premium if I wanted that.
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| BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | said by Murph1:Add to all of this, a company like EA Sports already prevents you from playing the online portions of a 'pre-owned' game if the original owner used the 'Online Pass' code already, unless you wanna buy a new code. (Rolls eyes)
Ok so you pay $10 for the used game then get the $10 code. $20 a lot less than buying it new. You don't want to pay for the code then you don't get to play online. | |
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New London, CT | Re: EA Sports said by BF69:said by Murph1:Add to all of this, a company like EA Sports already prevents you from playing the online portions of a 'pre-owned' game if the original owner used the 'Online Pass' code already, unless you wanna buy a new code. (Rolls eyes)
Ok so you pay $10 for the used game then get the $10 code. $20 a lot less than buying it new. You don't want to pay for the code then you don't get to play online. 1.) Good luck buying any game for $10 that's not in the clearance/very old bin. You'd be lucky if a place like GameStop knocks 10 bucks off.
2.) So, you're saying I have to pay EA to play their game online AND I have to pay Microsoft to play ANY game online (Xbox Live fee)?
No thanks. | |
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Camden, TN | Re: EA Sports said by Murph1:said by BF69:said by Murph1:Add to all of this, a company like EA Sports already prevents you from playing the online portions of a 'pre-owned' game if the original owner used the 'Online Pass' code already, unless you wanna buy a new code. (Rolls eyes)
Ok so you pay $10 for the used game then get the $10 code. $20 a lot less than buying it new. You don't want to pay for the code then you don't get to play online. 1.) Good luck buying any game for $10 that's not in the clearance/very old bin. You'd be lucky if a place like GameStop knocks 10 bucks off. 2.) So, you're saying I have to pay EA to play their game online AND I have to pay Microsoft to play ANY game online (Xbox Live fee)? No thanks. 1) Then don't shop at GameStop. Plenty of other places sell used games.
2a)Yes you have to pay EA to play online.
2b)EA has nothing to do with MS fee. Playstation has free online play. That's like saying since I pay for my internet connection I should have to pay for any online content.
Their rules that's the way it is. Good luck getting it changed. | |
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| | lower the price if no used games they can lower the price of a new game if they kill the used game market. then consumers may accept it. if playstation also kills used games then consumers will have no choice. the key is to get playstation onboard....and to make the DRM the publisher's idea....not xbox. xbox has the ability to kill used games if the publisher so desires....this way the backlash is against the publisher not msft or sony. it also means that the users can't escape it. | |
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| BF69Premium
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Camden, TN | Re: lower the price if no used games Why would they lower the price? They don't get any revenue from used games. So how does lowering the price of new game do anything for them? | |
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El Paso, TX | Re: lower the price if no used games said by BF69:Why would they lower the price? They don't get any revenue from used games. So how does lowering the price of new game do anything for them?
Is this a serious question? | |
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| | | | they may want to lower the price because of price elasticity. currently many people buy a new game and then resell it...so the effective cost is lower. also, of course, you have people who just buy used games...for which msft collects nothing.
if they kill used games, they may find that the price is too high to be optimal. if they lower the price to like $40 for a new AAA release then everyone who used to buy only used games would just buy the new release and be happy. if they don't lower the price these used games buyers might just be priced out of the market.
in any case, they will consider these issues. they may find that it is optimal to not reduce the price even after killing used games....there could be relative price inelasticity such that most of the people who bought used games will now just buy the new game in the same volume. | |
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| | KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
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| Because their games have much lower value.
If your games now have zero resale value, then it makes perfect sense that the initial price should be lowered.
Of course, making sense has nothing in common with these ideas, so.....
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| | used games aren't much of a savings. everytime I look at a used game its only $5 cheaper then new, i'll buy new over used for $5 any day. | |
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