Nintendo Revolution Next console chock full of 'new ideas'? When Microsoft decided to make their Xbox gaming console broadband only, many in the industry chuckled at the move. Nintendo, the once king of consoles, found itself in third place in the game console race here in the States, in a large degree thanks to their refusal to fully integrate on-line broadband play. That decision will likely be rectified in their next console release, the Nintendo Revolution, which the company began hyping ( Gamespy) this week. While details are scarce (actually, they're non-existent), Nintendo president Satoru Iwata says the console (to be unveiled next year) will bring "new ideas" for entertainment, and won't simply be a rehash of their last console (read: nifty broadband integration).
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  reub2000Premium
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Evanston, IL | Not just broadband Satoru Iwata hinted at something more at E3. THis was after he was talking about the DS. I just hope it isn't something stupid. | |
|  |  wolfoxGentle Wolfox
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Dunnellon, FL | Re: Not just broadband Hmmm, I would like to see a few improvements myself. Granted, it was a pretty cutting edge design on the GC but it came up a little short on a few key factors.
Sorry, but ATI just does not belong in a console system. But that is just an opinion. Don't hurt me too badly on that front.
Second: Just WHAT were they thinking; putting those mini DVD drives in those things? Why not put a full blooded DVD with movie playback in the unit?
Third: Loads of accessory slots and high speed bus architecture to put other consoles to shame! But no integrated Ethernet port? Well, nobody else really integrated it either. PS-2 and X-Box still require a "kit" to get online through your broadband.
Fourth: Really gritty, nasty, ugly action is still not on the GC. Nintendo has to drop the fear of marketability to children and families and give us titles with FANGS! 
The list goes on, but these are my major sticking points with the current offering from Nintendo. Perhaps we will see a change for something a lot more robust in features and titles. 
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| | | | | Re: Not just broadband quote:
Sorry, but ATI just does not belong in a console system. But that is just an opinion. Don't hurt me too badly on that front.
Sorry, you'll have to qualify your opinion on this one. Why don't they belong in a console? I hope MS knows this since they [ATI] are doing the graphics for XBox 2. Besides that, ATI didn't even make the graphics processor for the Gamecube. A company called ArtX did. ATI bought them out shortly after the Gamecube started hitting production lines.
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Second: Just WHAT were they thinking; putting those mini DVD drives in those things? Why not put a full blooded DVD with movie playback in the unit?
Piracy. And compared to MS and Sony, it is working quite well.
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Fourth: Really gritty, nasty, ugly action is still not on the GC. Nintendo has to drop the fear of marketability to children and families and give us titles with FANGS!
That is completely subjective. While first party titles retain the cutesy-pie feel, third party titles have all the blood and guts you could want. Resident Evil, Splinter Cell, Eternal Darkness, etc. | |
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2 edits | Re: Not just broadband said by MightyPez:
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Sorry, but ATI just does not belong in a console system. But that is just an opinion. Don't hurt me too badly on that front.
>> Sorry, you'll have to qualify your opinion on this one. Why don't they belong in a console? I hope MS knows this since they [ATI] are doing the graphics for XBox 2. Besides that, ATI didn't even make the graphics processor for the Gamecube. A company called ArtX did. ATI bought them out shortly after the Gamecube started hitting production lines.
If the idea is to bring home the feel and look of arcade class systems and frame rates, there are other manufacturers that have reduced multi-chipset graphics engines down to a single chip configuration. (Look at Oxygene Graphics Systems, and how they turned a multi-backplane "Magic Carpet" GPU into a twin chip solution so cheap, PS-2 got based on it. When not saddled with having to run at the reduced RS based systems' FSB, you are talking about an original product specification that did 85 Million triangles/sec in the late 80's!)
Some of these industrial GPU's see very happy lives in heavily graphical PC Workstations, SGi, and Sun Microsystems. Mass use of these "Industry grade" GPU's will not only bring down the price, but pump up longevity of the product.
Further reducing mass produced GPU cores from a retail class product into something locked into a console with no hopes of an upgrade is just... disheartening. What may be a world class desktop chip eventually turns into a soggy potato chip in a console. (Maybe when we can swap parts in a console I will shut up)
Do not get me wrong, I was not ATI or nVidia bashing or anything like that. Using COTS components in cutting edge machinery leads ultimately to a pre-mature death, especially in a closed system like a console. Go for the top notch GPU array and then work with that to bring it to the consumer cheap and with reduced power demands. (So it runs cool on a system's built-in and compact switching power supply)
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Second: Just WHAT were they thinking; putting those mini DVD drives in those things? Why not put a full blooded DVD with movie playback in the unit?
>> Piracy. And compared to MS and Sony, it is working quite well.
Not when one can buy DVD+R media in mini-DVD.
»shop.store.yahoo.com/cdrdvdrmedi···me1.html
I can copy anything that crosses my paws. Next.
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Fourth: Really gritty, nasty, ugly action is still not on the GC. Nintendo has to drop the fear of marketability to children and families and give us titles with FANGS!
>> That is completely subjective. While first party titles retain the cutesy-pie feel, third party titles have all the blood and guts you could want. Resident Evil, Splinter Cell, Eternal Darkness, etc.
All are PC titles and frankly - my particular home PC system for gaming does a good job of rendering those titles. I can go on to say that I can emulate any console under the sun, from the first to the last, latest and greatest. In short, I want to see a console I cannot emulate on a PC platform, and do things a PC cannot do. That's when I will grab for the wallet and pay out bucks.
Are you listening to me Nintendo? Your goal is not to make a bigger, better console. It's a battle to get *my* dollar. The *only* way you are going to get it is to pull something truly innovative out of your design lab that cannot easily be imitated.
Edit: For grammar and other things that spell checkers do not look for. | |
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Evanston, IL | Re: Not just broadband quote:
Not when one can buy DVD+R media in mini-DVD.
»shop.store.yahoo.com/cdrdvdrmedia/homi..
I can copy anything that crosses my paws. Next.
The gods (gamecube optical disc) are not dvds. Pirtating is a little harder than that. If you have a broadband adapter, pso, a lan, and a computer, you might be able to load a game from the computer.
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Are you listening to me Nintendo? Your goal is not to make a bigger, better console. It's a battle to get *my* dollar. The *only* way you are going to get it is to pull something truly innovative out of your design lab that cannot easily be imitated.
Well, it might be a little hard to emulate the DS's touch screen. | |
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Warren, MI | said by wolfox:
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Second: Just WHAT were they thinking; putting those mini DVD drives in those things? Why not put a full blooded DVD with movie playback in the unit?
>> Piracy. And compared to MS and Sony, it is working quite well.
Not when one can buy DVD+R media in mini-DVD.
»shop.store.yahoo.com/cdrdvdrmedi···me1.html
I can copy anything that crosses my paws. Next.
You cannot copy a GameCube disc onto a mini DVD+R and get it to work in the GameCube system.
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said by uid:Not when one can buy DVD+R media in mini-DVD.
»shop.store.yahoo.com/cdrdvdrmedi···me1.html
I can copy anything that crosses my paws. Next.
Nice, have you successfully modded your GC to play the backups?
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Houston, TX | said by wolfox:
said by MightyPez:
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Second: Just WHAT were they thinking; putting those mini DVD drives in those things? Why not put a full blooded DVD with movie playback in the unit?
>> Piracy. And compared to MS and Sony, it is working quite well.
Not when one can buy DVD+R media in mini-DVD.
»shop.store.yahoo.com/cdrdvdrmedi···me1.html
I can copy anything that crosses my paws. Next.
If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd realize that statement was completely false. You can not copy anything that crosses your 'paws'. Your statement is ignorant and incorrect, pure and simple. | |
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Dunnellon, FL | Re: Not just broadband I need to look up more on the GC disc specs. Apparently, I did make a boo-boo with my above statement. All I have been able to find thus far is how to load the ROM image files via TCP/IP network, but nothing on getting the data duplicated disc to disc. Gimmie enough time - I will find a solution.
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| | | | said by wolfox:
Second: Just WHAT were they thinking; putting those mini DVD drives in those things? Why not put a full blooded DVD with movie playback in the unit?
PS-2 and X-Box still require a "kit" to get online through your broadband.
The mini-CD thingy was an attempt to thwart piracy. Whether it was effective or the GC just sucked too bad to be worth pirates' time is anyone's guess, but I haven't seen any GC piracy going around.
The Xbox does not require a kit to get online, only a subscription; you can get it out of the box and hook it up to your DSL modem/router. The Xbox Live Kit you're thinking of only enhances the online experience by providing a headset with mic.
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| | | | | | Re: Not just broadband There are also several free programs that run on a pc networked with the xbox that will allow you to play multiplayer over the net. No need for xbox live. | |
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kudos:2 | Broadband? I don't think a lack of online play hurt the GC as much as a lack of GC exclusive games.
Hopefully the new secret plans are to actually release games for their new console....
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Lawrenceville, GA | MMMMM Hype I'm waiting for a console rep to come out and say "Our next generation console will merely be adequate."
That way, their console will actually live up to the hype and won't disappoint. At least without trying really really hard. | |
| | | Too little, Too late The only way Nintendo will come up on top will the next round of consoles is if they forgo innovation and focus on shedding their kiddie image.
Their "new ideas" for entertainment will probably be something that's either not practical or used only by their company and not any third parties. | |
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Gibsonton, FL |  I hope they make it backwards compatable
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Boulder, CO | Controller As long as they put time and thought into making and designing the controller I'll be happy. The GC controller design is horrible.
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Lawrenceville, GA | Re: Controller said by Poopsmith:
As long as they put time and thought into making and designing the controller I'll be happy. The GC controller design is horrible.
Shhh. The GC controller was supposed to be 'revolutionary' as well. I remember reading multiple articles glorifying the GC controller for its unique design that was going to change the way games were played.
The only thing they got right was the Wavebird concept. | |
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Kalispell, MT | I love the GameCube controller. It doesn't hurt your hands like the Xbox controller (though the new "S" design helped that many many many times - it's now excellent also) and you don't have to reach in to the left analog stick like the PS2 controller. | |
| | | | I'll take the GC controller over the xbox and ps2 controller anyday of the week. | |
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kudos:1 | .... they should just give up the console war. they lost. they should just stick to making the gameboy.
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| | | Nintendo missed the boat While PS2 owners were busy playing SOCOM and Xbox owners were busy playing Live titles, Nintendo failed to realize that online playability was something that gamers wanted. Nintendo manufactured broadband and dialup adapters for Gamecube, but abandoned those peripherals completely. Instead, they focused on Gameboy-to-Gamecube adapters and gamers were able to unlock stupid features with this combo... what a complete waste of time. Gamecube had a lot of promise... Mario Kart, Tennis, Golf, Metroid Prime, Rogue Squadron all ONLINE ENABLED would've done some serious damage the past few years. | |
| | | | Re: Nintendo missed the boat In my eyes, nintendo seems to be in a product cycle which mirrors where Sega was when the dreamcast was released: almost a full design cycle behind.
It killed Sega and it will likely do the same for Nintendo's VGS if they can't send comparable product to market in the same product cycle as Microsoft and Sony. I'd really be worried about Nintendo if they didn't completely own the handheld gaming market. I don't see Sony taking that market away from Nintendo in the near future with the PSP (there are how many thousand gameboy titles available???) but Nintendo won't be able to survive on this platform alone.
Finally, I'd echo the first poster's comment and hope that a few more "adult" and "mature" level titles will be developed and published for Nintendo's new platform. I like the Mario games but every now and again I do like to play games like Halo, GTA, Hitman, etc... | |
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Canada | Re: Nintendo missed the boat Explain how Sega was a "full design cycle behind" with the Dreamcast. | |
| | | | | Nintendo Gamecube was a very successful video game console, but not as successful as it had hoped. Although number two in global sales, the Xbox is catching up and its successor may succeed the planned Nintendo Revolution. Many people dismiss Gamecube as a childish system, yet it shares many many games with the other systems (i.e., EA Sports Games, Tom Clancy Games, other common games). In fact, the Gamecube does not really have that many childish games. The image, however, for Nintendo has been created as that of a children's company. This is the first fault of Nintendo.
The Gamecube was designed as the perfect gaming system and it succeeds in that. However, people want a console for more than just gaming, they want to reach in other fields of entertainment, like music and movies. Using the smaller optical discs to prevent piracy was another reason why the Gamecube was not as successful as planned. People want to listen to music and play DVD's.
The Gamecube, unfortunately, was designed for a perfect world. Nintendo envisioned a world where kids and teenagers would go to each other's house and play many multiplayer games like Super-Smash Brothers Melee and Mario Party. However, people are continually becoming more solidary. People want to be alone, but they want to communicate and play with others. How? Online Gaming. Nintendo does not share Microsoft's and Sony's position on online entertainment. However, in order to capture the market, a company must not be stubborn with their idealistic views on gaming. This is the third reason why the Gamecube "failed."
Nintendo should make Revolution just that, REVOLUTIONARY. It should be more of an entertainment console rather than a video game system. It should seek to enter the online world. And third, it should seek to change the gameplay experience. Nintendo should create something that just does not improve on graphics and audio, but on the whole experience. They should have a niche. Let's just hope that they won't try something too revolutionary as to turn off their base (DS does not look all too bad, but it may be turn off). I am an avid Nintendo fan, but currently i put my full support for Playstation, because they got the Playstation 2 right. I cannot stand Xbox fanboys (they seem to be a bit more obsessive than their Nintendo/Sony counterparts)...the Xbox does not change anything, its just a PC in disguise with worse components, and games designed for people with incredibly short attention spans (i.e., first person shooters, etc.).
May Nintendo revolutionize gaming! | |
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While PS2 owners were busy playing SOCOM and Xbox owners were busy playing Live titles, Nintendo failed to realize that online playability was something that gamers wanted. Nintendo manufactured broadband and dialup adapters for Gamecube, but abandoned those peripherals completely. Instead, they focused on Gameboy-to-Gamecube adapters and gamers were able to unlock stupid features with this combo... what a complete waste of time. Gamecube had a lot of promise... Mario Kart, Tennis, Golf, Metroid Prime, Rogue Squadron all ONLINE ENABLED would've done some serious damage the past few years.
This guy hit the nail right on the head. Nintendo completely missed the boat. | |
| | | | WRONG! Sega gave Nintendo Phantasy Star Online v1 and 2 and that game got the most online subscribers for Gamecube. It's not Nintendo's fault Electronic Arts or Uri-Soft or Namco didn't want to make their Gamecube games Live. GC had an network adapter, keyboard, hell even a subscribe service. And that statement about hacking....Datel made a developer's kit that lets you run small programs up to 8 MB in size on Gamecube without the need for modding. It's called Gamecube Dev Kit. Comes with a USB cable, memory card and boot disc. | |
| | | | I agree with this they should've focused more on online capability and not as much as the gameboy gamecube combo. They should've also promoted the online capability more. | |
| | | | I'm not nearly as big into this topic as you all seem to be, but I read a recent article about on line gaming for game systems (X-box, PS and Nintendo) and the poll showed something like 88% of consumers have either had a negative experience or are simply not interested in on line gaming. The numbers seemed to change with regards to PC on line gaming. I don't see that this is an issue that really hurts Nintendo.
I agree with the other comments, Nintendo has a PR problem. They carry many of the games the kids want ... "The blood and Fang games" ... but when kids go to buy those titles, it never occurs to them that Nintendo has those titles too.
I have always preferred Nintendo games because I have always liked RPG games like Zelda .. and others .. better then sport games and kill mayhem games that was typically found on PS.
I have to admit though, Sony now has more of these types of games then Nintendo does. I think Nintendo has neglected titles for their home system .. in favor of supporting their GBA titles and this has really hurt them.
So not only does Nintendo have an image problem .. they have a shortage of titles. So I don't think it really matters how good Nintendo's new system is. I think until they change their image .. it will remain being thought of as a third rate company with fewer games then the other two. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Nintendo Sucks. I am never buying a Nintendo console ever again. The last two I bought were terrible. N64 got so outplayed by the PS1. As for the Gamecube, it's the worst system ever made. Glad I finally got an Xbox.
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Kalispell, MT | Nintendo actually is NOT third place, Microsoft is 'tis true, Nintendo is second place and Microsoft is third in global console sales (though it's close) Personally, the GameCube was the first of the current consoles I bought, and I recently bought a PS2 - primarily for Dance Dance Revolution. If they had DDR on the GameCube, I probably wouldn't have bought it 
The current GameCube has some major advantages - by far the most comfortable controller around, excellent graphics (an advantage the Xbox shares; the two are fairly close with the Xbox having a slight edge) compared to the PS2, and small portable size. The "kiddie" image and lack of DVD movie playback, along with coming a year later than the PS2 are what destroyed it. Personally I'm glad of the kiddie image - I don't want to play some violent nonsense. DVD movies? Well my PS2 plays them and my DVD player plays them and my computer plays them, do I really need ANOTHER DVD player? Nah. So I don't care even if the Revolution doesn't play them. I DO want to see DDR on the revolution, are you listening Konami? | |
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Tulsa, OK | Re: Nintendo actually is NOT third place, Microsoft is i don't think most people give a damn where consoles stand globally, since we only live here in the US. | |
| | | | | Re: Nintendo actually is NOT third place, Microsof Because as we all know, all dslreports.com users live in the United States... | |
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Kalispell, MT | Re: Nintendo actually is NOT third place, Microsoft is And it's that attitude that is the Xbox's weak point. Microsoft seems to have it too, which is why they're third globally - remember Japan is the largest video game market. And the profit is the same whether a sale is made in America or in Japan! True Nintendo is weak here in America, but because of their global market I don't think they're in any real danger. They just need to stop even trying to compete with Sony and Microsoft. It's not a bright idea. Apple Computer learned it and look where Apple Computer is today - doing better than they have in years, with their music initiative along with a line of computers made for Unix geeks, home users, and students. I have an iBook G4 and love it along with a desktop Windows PC. I don't consider the two platforms to be remotely competitive with each other. The Mac is unique for what it is, but it isn't a business desktop OS. Nintendo needs to do the same and stop trying to compete and instead find their own niche with a truly unique product. Personally, I'm betting that's what the Nintendo Revolution will be - the Mac of the console world (not in terms of actual hardware configuration though, that's the Xbox 2. The thing is basically a PowerMac G5 running PPC Windows NT - in fact, the early SDK previews that have been released to some developers run on an Apple PowerMac G5 (not running MacOS though, running a special Windows version) I've heard). | |
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1 edit | Re: Nintendo actually is NOT third place, Microsoft is said by Markie:
remember Japan is the largest video game market.
Actually the US has surpassed Japan as far as game and console sales and we are now the world leader. But as far as new and innovate game products go Japan gets them first, as with everything else, lol. | |
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Birmingham, AL | The Macintosh is for a lot more than "Unix Geeks, home users & students".
Not a "Business desktop OS"?
Have you seen (or tried) MS Office 04' Mac Edition? - I suggest you do so.
It blows the Windoze version a-way. Not to mention NO viruses... something "Businesses" might need to look into : )
The Mac has quite a strong following in publishing (like, all magazines, newspapers, etc.) Graphics, Audio & Video as well...
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Kalispell, MT | Re: Nintendo actually is NOT third place, Microsoft is Dude, I'm a big fan of macs. I definitely forgot creative professionals. The Mac is targeted at UNIX geeks, creative professionals, students, teachers, and home users. How's that? It's not targeted at secretaries, accountants, etc. Not that it's bad at all for them. It's just not the group Apple's chasing after. Same in Nintendo, they're chasing after kids and families. PS, I use an iBook G4 and would never own a Windows piece of crashing garbage again! | |
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| | | They are ALL great consoles in their own right.Some have advantages others do not and vice versa.As far as controllers go there will never be another as good as the ORIGINAL sony controller.It has stayed the same from PS1 until now.That's what Ive played with for 8 years and that's what I'm used to.Play with the Game cube controller for 8 years and try a sony.Square what?Triangle who?X why?Its all what you are used to."My son" has them all and they are great,like i said before,in their own right.I love the Hard Drive in the x box,Madden on PS2,and the fun puzzle games and Mario Parties on the cube.But all in all,GIVE ME THE PLAYSTATION"!!!!!! | |
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1 edit | Re: Nintendo actually is NOT third place, Microsoft is I must agree, if I had to have just one now it would definitely be the Playstation 2 - if only for Dance Dance Revolution. But for most stuff I really do prefer the GameCube. I'm not an Xbox fan because it's bulky and fragile (that's what I LOVE about the GameCube it's small and tough. It's the portable CD player of game consoles). Fragile because of the hard drive... it's the most likely to break in a fall, followed by the PS2 (the tray loading drive), then the GameCube which has a decent chance of survival. But realistically, yeah, they're all great. I don't get these idiotic fanboys who defend a system with their life - that's really lame. The current generation systems all deserve credit for what they are:
GameCube
Best parts - Family game selection, MARIO KART!, comfortable controller, excellent graphics
Worst parts - No DDR, no DVD playback, hard to find component cable
PlayStation2
Best parts - DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION!, Kingdom Hearts, DVD Player built in nothing additional needed (I've got the new version with a Progressive Scan DVD player, I've heard the otherone was awful without the driver included with it's remote. This might be a new advantage), huge variety of games for people of all interests inc. backwards compatibility
Worst parts - Relatively speaking - awful graphics, left analog stick slightly hard to reach, triggers don't have the same range to them as the others,
Xbox
Best parts - Dance dance revolution, excellent graphics (very slight edge over the GameCube and amazing compared to PS2), hard drive (no memory cards!), Xbox Live!
Worst parts - original controller very painful to use (since fixed with a very good replacement), hard drive (it's a blessing and a curse because of what it adds to weight and takes from durability), obsessive fanboys (FAR more than for the other systems)
Note - I have quite a bit of experience with all three, I own the GameCube and PS2 and my cousins own an Xbox I play quite a bit. I am speaking from (my own) experience on these issues. | |
| | | | | I still can't stand the PSX controller...
For that matter, I still haven't memorized the locations of square, triangle, circle, and x
Why? I think in terms of A,B,X,Y | |
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| mdwPremium
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Houston, TX | Most people in the twenty-something age range who remember how nintendo cater to them in the past can't get over the fact that nintendo is still raking in the cash catering to young children and their parents. They are a very profitable company and they know which side their bread is buttered on. We (the twenty-somethings) are -NOT- nintendo's target audience. | |
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 TomekPremium
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Valley Stream, NY | SEGA SEGA faced similar fate.
Their dreamcast.
That console was simply amazing.
It was long released before PS2 and offered top-of-the-line performance and options.
Too bad piracy killed it.
Now the company is almost non-existent.
Remember ATARI? They made first consoles (pong), then computers and now software.
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Atlanta, GA | Re: SEGA said by Tomek:
Remember ATARI? They made first consoles (pong), then computers and now software.
The current Atari (former Infogrames) only shares the name with the previous Atari... 
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| | | | | Re: SEGA Fine by me. I think it's cool that the Atari name lives on. Now if only Epyx had survived. | |
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Canada | Piracy alone didn't kill Sega's DC, it played a part, but so did the fanboys & Sony's marketing team. | |
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kudos:1 | The Future I honestly don't see a future for Nintendo. Most of the original companies are gone, they are just delaying the inevitable. Nintendo will go down, they will be no more. Atari, and Sega both stopped producing consoles, they are now a software base only. I can see nintendo doing the same thing. Natural Selection will decide this ultimatly.
The next generation players are microsoft and sony.
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| | | | Re: The Future said by technick:
I honestly don't see a future for Nintendo. Most of the original companies are gone, they are just delaying the inevitable. Nintendo will go down, they will be no more.
Don't take this personally, but you're a dope. Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Pokemon and their associated cast of characters are never going to go away. Teens and twenty something guys think they're too cool to play "kiddie" games but Nintendo will always rule with the kids and with old dudes like me who don't care about cool any more. | |
| | | | I FULLY disagree. If Nintendo brings online into Revolution, they will be here for quite some time, and even if they dont, they wont get as hammered as you expect. Xbox 2 is supposed to launch in 2k5, with a full year of development, Nintendo's console can be far more powerful due to the fact that IBM and ATi are working on it. For proof check out IGNXbox's Xbox2 article. Now, out of the three, Nintendo is the only company that has billions of dollars in the bank for CONSOLES. Sony Corp is very stingy when giving the Sony Playstation division money, and Microsoft's Xbox division got an initial investment from Microsoft but now, any money they make is the only money they can spend. Want further proof? My uncle is a Senior Project Developer in Microsoft's Xbox div., that's how I got an Xbox;). Now dont get me wrong, Sony PS2 and MS Xbox has a lot of money, but not as much to throw around as Nintendo.
Now, with all things considered, if Nintendo plays it's cards right (and atm, is seems like it will), Revolution will certainly not be the last, nor the one after that, or the one after that. But if Nintendo doesn't play right, Revolution's successor will/might be the last of Nintendo in the console arena. Should the end come for Nintendo, I'm sure they wont leave forever, they'll come back one, or two, or a few more generations later. Sega however, is making more money in the software business than it ever had. But still, imagine Zelda on Xbox. | |
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| Re: Xbox and PS2 does what Nintendon't! I have heard two version of the story.
One where Sony had offer a cd addon to snes and nintendo refused
The other was sony apporached nintendo back in the early n64 planing stages and offered there CDrom idea with there tech and nintendo gave them the line about how games will always be on carts as that the fastest and best means blah blah blah....
Either way both stories have the same ending .... Sony got rejected built there own machien and kicked some butt.
I would really love to see another Sega unit. | |
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| Re: Xbox and PS2 does what Nintendon't! I was one of those people that looked down on CD load time. After a while, you get so accustomed to it, you don't really notice it because you are so dazzled by the game graphics, animations and all the other bells and whistles.
X-Box and PS2 does what Nintendon't.
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| | Are you guys hard up for news? Seriously. Broadband, or lack thereof, is not the reason X-Box is in third place. Have you seen some of the proprietary games they're releasing?
You would of been better off with another shitty VoIP article reiterating the same points.
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Seriously. Broadband, or lack thereof, is not the reason X-Box is in third place. Have you seen some of the proprietary games they're releasing?
You would of been better off with another shitty VoIP article reiterating the same points.
Dude, it's Nintendo that is in third place, not X-box. The Nintendo brand in my opinion is now synonymous with DULL.
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| | | | | Re: Are you guys hard up for news? Again, XBox only leads in the US and it's not by a huge margin.
Worldwide the edge goes to Nintendo. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Are you guys hard up for news? North America
PlayStation 2 - 29.26 million
Xbox - 8.6 million
GameCube - 7.46 million
Game Boy Advance - 23.78 million
Japan / Asia
PlayStation 2 - 16.18 million
Xbox - 1.4 million (~425,000 Japan alone)
GameCube - 3.37 million
Game Boy Advance - 12.66 million
Europe / PAL
PlayStation 2 - 24.56 million
Xbox - 3.7 million
GameCube - 3.11 million (~3 million Europe alone)
Game Boy Advance - 12.98 million
Worldwide
PlayStation 2 - 70 million
Xbox - 13.7 million
GameCube - 13.94 million
Game Boy Advance - 49.42 million
GBA sales include Original + SP.
The preceding was as of the end of 2003.
These stats were released 2 weeks ago for Gamecube. I haven't seen the latest XBox figures.
# Japan: 3,460,000 units
# North America: 7,850,000 units
# Other: 3,270,000 units
# Total: 14,570,000 | |
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| | Argh Ok, everyone can stop the 'my console is better then your console' wars. | |
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Delta, BC | playstation I can never understand why people like the Playstation so much. I hate the PS1 and the PS2. The controller always pissed me off, and the graphics were never very good. Everything about it just irritates me. I'll never buy a playstation system of any type for as long as I live.
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| | | | Re: playstation uh, for the game dont u think. if u talking about controller then by far, the xbox got the suckest controller. ps2 may not have the best graphic or feature but by far it got better game than any system. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Anyone Remember? Hey, does anyone else remember X-Band? That modem addon was the first real multiplayer addon for a console as far as I know. Man it was a blast to play.
Anyone else ever use it on a Sega Genesis?
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Colorado Springs, CO | P2P = Key Someone needs to tell Mr. Iwata and Mr. Miyamoto about something called Peer to Peer networking. And I'm not talking about illegal game-trading, either. They're worried about overhead costs. But most of that could be eliminated by harnassing the power of the player's own broadband connections and simply providing a matchmaking server while making their games latency-friendly. On second thought, We don't even need the first part of that equasion thanks to these people.
It's a simple game, but Nintendo isn't following the rulebook. | |
| | |  Nintendo Rule!
Who gives about sales prices anyway? I mean all I buy games for is to have fun, and Nintendo has a lot of fun games. I still have my SNES up at my shack and whenever I go to my shack I always play it because it is fun!
You may hate nintendo because of their controller or because of their "kiddy games", but those "kiddy games" have taken them a long way.
Im with Nintendo all the way! | |
| | | | Re: Nintendo Rule! It was the NES that had the first online multiplayer, mario golf i think, it was japan only though. It was the atari jaguar that was marketed as the first 64bit console, which was a bit of a lie as it had 2 processors running at 32bits, which isnt the same thing. The Saturn was 32bit. | |
| | | | | On Solid Ground While PS2 and XBOX may have a slight edge in slaes, Nintendo has an immovable fan base. While PS1 and XBOX had other console users slide to them when they came out, Nntendo has a solid base which will likely stand firm throughout the time Nintendo is making games. I would be so bold as to say that Nintendo DS will snuff out PSP and continue its domination of the portable market, while it's more likely that PSP will have a small cell of fans which hold onto the system, regardless of DS's advantage. There will always be those people who refuse to let go of a console, no matter what the competition does. Nintendo's trump card is that it has more of those people than Sony or Microsoft! | |
| | | | | | Re: On Solid Ground Thats very true..
including me nintendo has a huge base of die hard fans they alone are enough to keep nintendo in the market also saying nintendo will go the way of sega sounds stupid to me nintendo has numerous times more money than sega ever did.
and as for the ds and psp i think the psp will go the way of the game gear | |
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| | | | Re: Nintendo Rule! Jaguar had 5 processors, 2 of which were 64-bit, the object PU and the blitting PU (whatever the crap those are for). However, the GPU and CPU were 32-bit, which is why most people call it a 32-bit machine.
Sega went down because they lost money on each console on both Saturn and Dreamcast. They tried to manufacture them for too much and sell them for too little. It's that simple. They lost money for the same reason M$ loses money on xbox. | |
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